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What happens to be everyone's thoughts on that?

Heart problems, weight problems, allergies, gallbladders, and respiratory problems plague my side of the family (physically, mental I prefer the other side).

It is interesting because I now realize rather that while all the medicine my grandfather took and the disfavor it did to him, the real probable was lack of protein.

Low stomach acid and heart burn are common as we are all A/AB and secreters. However understanding GenoType is a bit more difficult. While eating saturated fats might contribute to some degree it seems that the real downfall is not benefiting from eating protein. It would explain the irregular heart rhythms etc.

Two of the AB's that have taken anti-acid medication just gain weight. Funny enough a Type O I met has the same issue; he claims 30 lb boom, right after getting on heart burn medicine.

I understand that HCL and eating easy to digest proteins is wise, does work to some degree, the thing I can not understand is what stops the stomach acid to begin with. I realize it is common that we have less but the problem seems more like we stop making it altogether or at least in any kind of significant amount. Just eating compliant foods does not seem to particularly turn it back on either, necessarily. It helps but there is just a huge lack that I do not understand.

It seems as though some factor prevents it but what is something I have yet to understand.

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Blood type. is one answer .. the other is foods you and all of you used to eat -having helped to destroy whatever might have worked before (it) got killed off..

somewhat like my fathers gift to me.. a sweet tooth.. constant desires to eat.. he was a chef.. ah my best memory is him giving me a sweet food for my 7th bday..  

and then he god to be diabetic, so is my brother, and so am I.. so your issues are early issues, mine are in older years.. but the gift we got is ours to accept.. not to like, not to embrace.. but to use as education for our own future.. and stop the cycle in your children..

the reason is not the cause, but it makes me look at the 7 dwarfs gifts by good and bad witches much more real.. ahah


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Right, a long winded "it runs in the family".

I am just a bit confused especially since the particular issue is very unrelated to all of the ones commonly mentioned by Dr. D - not to say he is not aware there are other problems and we are all unique as the opposite is true but there appears to be no information on this phenomenon in my family. It seems much like a Teacher thing to not be getting nutrients but it can not be corrected by eating more of the right things necessarily. My experience was that eating very little and almost doing no physical activity helped me sort of turn it around once but the balance was lost again.
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try and try again.. Maybe there is really little you can expect for change.. yet BTD/GENO is the only good way for you to make progresses..

I was breast fed.. I believe in it for some, or for some like me - only for a little while.. I am of the believe that had I eaten the milk touted to be good for (me) everyone .. I would have died.. luckily my mom never forced me.. but had she done so I might have become the kid that did not thrive..

also lucky : I was allowed to move out of home in the mountain and live with my grandparents in the city where school was not 6 month but 10 month and so less stressful for me.. and I could breath better  in lower altitude, or I would have failed school and lost all hope..

I suffered years and years and suffered pain for many more years.. but little by little I am getting better, little by little I am less tired, more hopeful (with cocoa) little by little I am fighting back my history, the ravages of diabetes might be less for me with BTD foods.. without I would be gluttonous, hungry, miserable, weak, in pain, bent over, broke from doctor visits, water retentive, severe over weight, maybe blinded, or losing a foot..

instead I am what you know me to be .. full of energy, loving (most of the time) caring, hopeful for getting healthier every day.. yes it takes years and I may run out of willpower and out of determination or out of years, BUT without the good for me foods there would be NO COMPREHENSION of what is going on.. I would be swimming not up stream but caught up in a whirlwind pulling me down every day even before I got up in the morning.

I know you are asking what you can do.. I am not A nor AB .. but I have friends who are and so I do understand .. they ask the same questions..

food is one thing.. other things you may be told later today.. some supplement, some spices, some alternative care through energy medicines, maybe chiropractic, many things are ahead of you, if only you keep on asking questions..  You already have come some way .. you sound just a bit better then during your early posts.. today you understand some, tomorrow you will find answers.. and maybe the cycle will be broken .. you will not feed your children AVOID foods and just by doing so you will change their destiny from day one, and by the time you are older you will have changed your own destiny, your genetic inheritance with GENO altering familiar HISTORY.. like being the first in the family to graduate college..  one book at a time.. BTD DrD is one such book teacher/guru/professor.. while we together are students studious and helpful making progress in many lives including you in yours.  stay the course ..it will get better..  
  


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from the other thread:: Eric's story which is really quite compelling as well:

http://www.battleforhealth.com/Battle_for_Health/about_me.html


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I have no idea what any of that has to do with the topic at hand. I feel like you are polluting the topic a bit.

My mother by the way is on some diet through some place currently. The easily digested soy protein helped her lose water weight but she has a very long way to go... sooo the more I can understand all of this the better off I am; hence my asking on here about people think about stomach acid just not being there.
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I'm sure that your family members ARE producing stomach acid- otherwise literally nothing would be  digested and you'd die of starvation in a matter of weeks or months. Your family, however, might be prone to sub-optimal amounts of stomach acid. I wonder if stomach acid is at all related to gut flora? I can see how "bad gut flora" can be passed down through families, especially from mothers to children during the birth process.

There also might be environmental patterns involved, of "bad food habits" that interfere with proper digestion and mess things up in early childhood. How many of you were breastfed? What kinds of foods have been fed to infants and small children in your family?


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Natural Remedies for Hypochlorhydria

Some alternative practitioners believe that this condition is relatively common, particularly in people with weak or brittle hair and nails, bloating, indigestion, and tiredness. It's important to keep in mind that there's insufficient evidence about the effectiveness of natural remedies for hypochlorhydria, however, here are some of the more common remedies:

Bitter herbs - Some alternative practitioners say that bitter herbs may stimulate the secretion of stomach acid and digestive enzymes. Examples of bitter herbs are gentian and dandelion. They're often recommended in liquid vs. capsule form, because it's the bitterness that's thought to trigger the release of digestive juices. Another option is to buy a herbal tea containing bitter herbs and drink one cup before eating.

Betaine hydrochloride - Look for a capsule (not tablet) that contains both betaine hydrochloride and pepsin, say some practitioners. It's often suggested that the capsule be taken at start of a meal. This supplement is controversial and should only be taken under the supervision of a health care practitioner because of possible side effects and drug interactions.

Chew thoroughly

Multivitamin - Because hypochlorhydria may lead to deficiencies of certain vitamins and minerals, a multivitamin and mineral supplement may be recommended.

Vitamin B complex - Some practitioners suggest an additional vitamin B complex.

Herbs - Grapefruit seed extract, garlic, oregano oil and enteric-coated peppermint oil are some supplements thought to help if there is bacterial overgrowth.

Probiotics

Glutamine

Ginger Tea - Ginger is thought to aid digestion and reduce bloating. In Ayurvedic medicine and traditional Chinese medicine, ginger is considered a digestive tonic.


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Everyone was breast fed from what I know. No non-thrivers around.

Although my gut flora disappeared with antibiotics from ear infections as a child. I gained weight and would never eat much that was good for me throughout childhood and early adulthood. I was very autistic about it.

My mother, uncles, grandma, and grandpa all were healthy as children though. It did not take long after venturing out into the world for them to change that though. The food as infants I know nothing about.

It is interesting that many of those things do help to some degree. I want to get to the bottom of the cause if possible. I realize it could be everything causing it in a sense, but rather is it bad gut flora, ceilac, blood sugar, or what is a big question for understanding helping it.
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Without the bigger consequences I should be Teacher and with hypochlorydria too DOS, fresh Ginger and bitter tea or also green tea , fresh  pineapple are my friends aver the meals and I eat moderate portions, as big portions kill my stomac ! Also an aunt used Acydolpepsine (pepsine + croridric acid to digest her food).Obviously it is no more on the market. They push antiacids so on on everybody in a terrible fit for all approach ! FYI I am celiac


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Being  A's  we have less stomach acid.

Our diet is designed with that in mind.


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My mother for years has felt the equivalent of a lump after eating because her digestion is so poor. Recently though her cholesterol and triglycerides were high (maybe not now but a few months ago).

I get constipation but not much for the explosive reaction. Doctors always tell me I am fine. They even say that when I felt worried I was just going to die.

I know we have adjustments for our stomach acid being less in the diets but something is oh so wrong in my family that I have yet to understand. Every time I think I get it I find maybe I do not.


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It is interesting that many of those things do help to some degree. I want to get to the bottom of the cause if possible. I realize it could be everything causing it in a sense, but rather is it bad gut flora, ceilac, blood sugar, or what is a big question for understanding helping it.


DoS.. may I suggest.. YES you got what I was saying earlier in the threads.. it all hangs together somehow..

as for doctors.. well you know how I feel, we need them sometimes to confirm a certain condition, or some test to be taken, but we better be sure to have a good idea- like for real : Know what is exactly wrong, or the lovely doctors keep prodding and probing and still in the end can't help because they just have no idea what we ate that made us ill.

as for a sentence above... you said you where behaving 'autistic' .. where you autistic?  there is a movie out on autism that BEGS for DOCTORS to please TREAT the kids with autism to PLEASE treat them for stomach issues.  the movie preempts the factors that autism is a disease of the INTESTINES - making the point that kids SUFFER greatly. there used to be 1 in a thousand then 1 in 154 and now 1 in 90 who are autistic .. what do you think are the odds that it is indeed a condition of the GUT and why does a film have to be made to plead with doctors to please treat those children and adults for WHAT ON THIS SITE would be done even before anyone made a first posting.. food issues.

imagine if the makers of that movie took the time to 'experience' BTD/GENO and dealt with life from the perspective of the toung.. from the inside out, form the bottom up.. imagine if every child was treated to food good for his or her gut.. (and yet even some autistic organizations insist that diet is not important- more important, that kids who only eat grapes LEARN need to learn to eat ALL foods as part of INTEGRATION)  

so if you behaved autistic or not, on some level you knew always that some food issues are in your life, and that you need to learn.. you where brave enough to come here and study, practice and stay open minded long enough to see much progress.  You have changed your world, you have broken the cycle..

how much coffee do you drink?  It is a good drink for you to have a cup, to help digestion..  or ginger ..

Have you looked at all of DrD's blogs ... maybe there was something written there long ago.. do you have his early books.. (and are you secr? for sure?)

and one more thing:  AS on A child from on A family have you been able to 'deal' with the emotional baggage that comes from such a family.  I was ill feeling for many years, I KNOW that "I" suffered, but I also know that my friends and family suffered with my being unavailable Physically and Emotionally for years.  so many activities I could not think of doing, so many hours I just slept as the only relieve I could get from pain, so many dollars I spent asking doctors what is wrong with me and how can I fix it?  

Emotions sorrow pain and old memories can cause you to be ill without even having eaten one wrong thing.  You seem to be a young man living alone, cooking and dealing with life under trying circumstances of daily needs to deal with your innards.. NOT on easy task.. In some way you may not even be old enough to know that family can destroy you, maybe never intentionally, but still, emotions cause stomach acid to flow or to stop flowing.. consider that and if need be deal with the facts of that.  LIKE: some people can eat when aggravated, others stop eating.. which are you? some can go to the bathroom, some can not after or before a school test, which where you?  what is your life like, stressful or on oases of retreat from the world..

I am sorry to ask so many questions but like I said above.. it all hangs together..  


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did you see this post by DrD ....  You are what your father ate, too: Paternal diet


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Destroyer - Did you see this post? http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1291789758/s-0/

It was posted by an O, but many A's replied with good advice (not neccessarily for O's). Including taking additional acid after a meal instead of before. Like in this article on how digestion works: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig14.php

or

Doing your own at home acid level test. Like this article: http://www.easy-immune-health.com/hydrochloric-acid-deficiency-test.html#axzz198hCb3mC

Both are mentioned in the dadamo link.


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Nice to see you bendorfold..


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I have a couple of comments because I am struggling with the same thing.  

First off, you can get bad bacteria handed down to you somehow.  It all starts in the womb I would think.  And yes, antibiotics early would not be good.  Bad bacteria will hinder your stomach acid.  Any of them.  All of them.  We all have them, it's the right balance you are going for, which seems to be a hard thing to achieve for some of us that have it thrown out of balance to begin with.  Which may have started in the beginning.

Secondly, yes, A's and AB's just naturally have this problem.  My Dad doesn't do this diet.  He's an A.  And he doesn't eat steak or too much beef.  He can tell it just sits like a rock.  He will eat it sometimes, but not very often and for some reason burger meat actually works better for him than a juicy steak.  But even then, it's more chicken and fish for him, as a whole.  And this he came to the conclusion on his own.  I have just confirmed it with the knowledge we know.  I also suspect he's an Explorer, so he does enjoy some meat.  Just not tons.  He's not small either and has a good appetite.  But his BP and Cholesterol are always high.  

I think AB's are even stranger in the sense that our bodies actually need the more protein and fat, but our digestive systems, especially when not optimum, are working against us.  My Doctor says my biggest issue is digesting fats.  Yet I'm craving it and need it.  In fact, when eating lamb, I feel better.  So, I'm on lypo gold, which is a digestive enzyme that targets fats.  I've been taking about 6 a day or so.  Along with a few of the regular more genearl digestive enzymes.  And then, to get the fat into the cells, they have given me Acetyl L Carnitine.  I guess it is the last step in the krebs cycle.  And if you're low in this, the whole process isn't working, therefore your cells aren't taking in what you need.

Then there is the explorer part.  If your toxic, it will just mess with every step of your krebs cycle, digestion, or any other process the body does.  Neurotransmition, metabolic process, whatever.  I'm telling you, when you look at the problems a euopean descended A or AB has stacked against them, it's kind of frustrating.  However, probably every type has it's problems.  Hehehehehe.  

I've been leaning on not eating too much soy lately.  I need to get some fermented stuff.  But on the other hand, I think it has been good to me, beans of any type, because it's a way of getting protein that digests easier than meat.  But either way, it's not optimum nutrition, when you need fats and animal proteins.  Anyways, I'm rambling.  I pray we all figure out the right picture for health.  Because it sure seems like a juggling act, or tight rope walk at times.  And I can relate.


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I wish DoFs can see the clinic in UB.. some day I think some of us just need that.. all else is to difficult.. but buying BT specific sups and protein powders is a must .. at least at the beginning.. and even then one must test all sort of things .. nothing is written.. but the body knows..

I KNOW I am doing something wring, yet have still no idea what it is.. may have to look at the spices I am using.. something is robbing me of immune strength.. if not my diabetes.. but it shows up by my body becoming puffy, lose skin feeling but puffy under the skin.. have no idea what that is all about, short of giving up all fruit.. maybe blueberry would be better?? ..

I am saying this just to agree .. the body knows one thing from another but it is hard for us to figure out which.. and or what..  


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Isn't activation of pepsin the main reason why stomach acid is important?  I.e., without the right pH, the pepsin enzyme doesn't do its job.  Perhaps supplementing with plant enzymes would help.  Of course, that doesn't answer the "why" you are asking, it just offers a solution to the problem.
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PH is to fickle.. a few drops of lemon and it is changed.. and later changed again..

I think it all gets better only after eating BENEFICIALS  for a few days.. nothing prepared, all fresh.. I think organic is better but if not then still Beneficial as the most important foods..  not in isolation but in the managed way to be full and contented.  


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Converting pepsinogen into pepsin ideally needs a pH of 3* or less.  Stomach acid has a pH typically between 1 and 3.  Apparently lemon juice has a pH of around 2.4, so maybe drinking straight lemon juice could help.

As important as it is to eat beneficial foods, they do little good if you can't assimilate their nutrients.


*The lower the pH, the more acidic.  pH ranges from 1 to 14, with 7 being "neutral".
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*The lower the pH, the more acidic.  pH ranges from 1 to 14, with 7 being "neutral".
  

7  maybe true for a healthy person.. it may not apply to someone  who is low for now.. or maybe even way to much acid in body skin and internals.. acidity will vary after washing hands with soap..  drinking lemon juice in water requires just a few drops, but it only lasts for a short time, and only if it is on THE super beneficial LIST.. in my book A's can have lemon or lime as Beneficial only.. so less medicinal then if it was a super Beneficial..

what is super (my book) would be other fruit.. Blackberry, Blueberry; Cherry, Pineapple, Plum and Prune.. those in my mind would be best as they do not cause much stomach acid mal formation.. they are not sugary and not sour...

grapefruit is another beneficial, and might be more drinkable then lemon but have the same effect.. Fruit has a way of balancing so long as you stay on the inside of the amounts recommended..

Then again Fenugreek, and Turmeric and Ginger all will stimulate stomach secretions.. a good thing to do is to use the saliva as in chewing not only food but also the spice part.. like if you where to drink juice chew it first..

I think A's may indeed chew 30 times not because of mastation, but to send the signals to the brain and then to the stomach that certain foods are going to be swallowed.. Barley malt and garlic the same.. chew it or savor it first for some time.. swish liquids from side to side, swallow one swallow at a time.. for .. a few seconds at the least for each new ingredient..

When eating Horseradish and Molasses alone or together, again advising the brain and stomach to create digestive juices long before swallowing is most important. sending food down uninvited is on assault.. Imagine sending mustard down without intro, but when savoring it, Parsley and Soy sauce all will create stomach juices if you take the time to allow the juices to flow.. like watering ahead of swallowing ..

eating for A's is not about stuffing your belly, but the ritual of appreciating your innards.. O's can swallow whole and inhale food, as we would if we had to compete with the wolves on our flank.. A's sit in the grass and eat one green alfalfa leaf at a time, chew it meander, linger, and taste the one single leave or nut.

food is different for everyone, but trying the above with some real devotion to savor over the weekend might indeed GIVE the body a chance to bring forth what A's need to digest.. stomach juices..

and then have a cup of coffee either broken into three or at least with the main meal..

There is a great deal to creating on emotional learned behavior aditude to eating.. depends what you learned to do.. eat and swallow, or savor and communicate while adjusting the stiomach after each swallow..  
  


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PH levels are also BT specific......to each their own....Dr D s guidelines come 'all inclusive'


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Goldie, I agree with a lot of what you are saying in there.  I have been chewing my food much better over the last month and I had gotten away from it previously.  Now, I'm trying to make a juice out of my food.  And yes, I've heard you should chew your juice or water also.  It will at least help put some saliva down with it, which has stuff in it that helps digestion.  For sure.

I will say this about lemon juice.  Whether or not it is fickle on changing your PH, I find it a good practice.  What I've been doing lately is making a liter of it in the morning and drinking it all day long.  1 whole lemon squeezed into hot water.  Add a little salt and a teaspoon of honey.  I can tell that if I sip some while eating, it helps digestion.  Strangely enough for me, belching seems to be a sign of it actually getting digested instead of sitting like a rock.  And I do believe I've heard Dr.D say that it will enhance the PH of the whole body for the better.  At least for A's and AB's.  I could be wrong about that.  It is acidic in the stomach, but does the opposite to the body.  So, good for digestion, good for PH.  That's how I understand it and my experience seems to coincide.  Plus, it will help keep mucous down, I guess.  I have been drinking lemon water in the morning forever.  It is like my morning coffee.  Because coffee ramps my system up something fierce.  It may be good for your stomach acids but it's bad for my body.


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eating for A's is not about stuffing your belly, but the ritual of appreciating your innards.. O's can swallow whole and inhale food, as we would if we had to compete with the wolves on our flank.. A's sit in the grass and eat one green alfalfa leaf at a time, chew it meander, linger, and taste the one single leave or nut.
  


Now that is some pseudo science.

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According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested, undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your
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Are you an advocate of "food combining"?

http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?subject=988813483#988881415


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Where does he say that?


I read it somewhere but I can not find it, so I delete the comment. Plus Lola's link says he rather does not care.

I am almost certain somewhere he said for A's it does not seem to matter what is combined.
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reg the 2nd to last post YOU got IT man keep it up.. especially the lemon water.. great idea..

as for coffee.. It seems a benef food for you, maybe make it waek..  interesting-  decaf is a seldom..

I might make some water with lime as I like that better.. .. !!!

last post.. you have never been on O when I am hungry and the steak is being taken away to cook just a little more ..   not science.. but reality at its best.. whoff whoff.


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from Lola above: According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested, undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your
body talk to ya!


I recently ate some bread actually way to much.. stupid beyond explanation.. then I ate the steak and had several esophageal spasms..

I mean if people would just learn that ONE concept widly known - but not practiced- they could eliminate the need for Prilosec.. but it makes millions .. so why stop the cash cow.. more like cash elephant!!

so right..


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I would think your BTD, and SWAMI in particular, would address these issues.  I had the reverse problem - too much acid in my stomach.  I lived on TUMS.  My stomach acid woke me up at night.  I would sleep on my back in a half raised position with the pillows under me so that stomach acid would not travel up into my esophogus.  Since doing BTD and now SWAMI I have not had that problem.  Eating compliantly has pretty much eliminated my excess acid and indigestion.  I can't imagine that eating a compliant A diet would not address the issues of too little stomach acid.  Probably some kind of blood type friendly supplements would be beneficial.  I hope you get it worked out, Destroyer of Smiles.

Goldie, about esophogal spasms.  I think I had that, too.  Usually when eating bread.  It felt like my throat was closing over and I could not swallow.  The food was stuck in my throat, and trying to drink water to make it go down was painful and almost impossible.  Scary!  I haven't had that lately either, but I haven't been eating bread.  I will disagree with you about Os wolfing down their food and As eating slowly.  My husband is an A and inhales his food like a wolf, while I am much slower.  He finishes his plate before I'm half way finished, and then waits like a wolf to see when I'm slowing down so he can finish mine.  Just semi-kidding - That doesn't always happen, but it has happened often enough!  
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O in virg.. well feed that poor guy .. but not from your plate.. hahah (bread for me real stupid)

I was more referring to Oh's having more stomach acid available.. but then how actually would we know what we have?  

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Slow digestion, stuff coming out the other end barely digested. HCL helps. I have been eating a lot more protein while on winter vacation and it seems to be helping. However taking HCL and eating protein really helped for a bit.

It seems clear that I lack protein often and so does the rest of the family. Heart burn is common. Although I have to eat something nasty and a bunch to have heart burn usually, at least now. Previously in high school I just had it regularly from eating certain things like crackers and oddities with strange ingredients.

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I wish I had better answers but I think eating right is still best.. getting protein powder from NAP would be a good addition.. I feel for you, as you must feel weak when absorption is hampered..  


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I wish I had better answers but I think eating right is still best.. getting protein powder from NAP would be a good addition.. I feel for you, as you must feel weak when absorption is hampered..  


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I wonder when do you drink whatever you drink?  

it is better for some to drink 20 minutes before eating rather then with food..

then the food makes its juices to digest rather then relying on the liquids to get stuff moving ..

and in the end did you ever take a look at the ENCYCLOPEDIA.. it might point you in the direction of food absorption and or fatigue, or some other thing NEVER thought of before..

I am puzzled on how you make it through the day.. and still ask are you sure there are no neutral or avoids in your foods? like nothing bought in any store other then fresh.. (if you can find or afford organic that is good- but I think not near as important then is fresh..

(I used to be exhausted that I felt like breathing was to much effort, but food slowly has turned that around.. there is hope)


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are you allowed sour kraut?  there are those old wifes tales that it cures a bad digestive system? I have no clue..


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It has been getting better. I have been eating a lot of protein, mozzarella, eggs, turkey.

Also I have been taking Intrinsa, some fish oil, and some sorta "yeast cleanse" just for fun that is in the fridge at my fathers.

I am not particularly feeling energetic like I want to just go run about, yet. It probably has something to do with good sleep almost does not exists and nearly never has.

I try not to drown my food in water but sometimes I like tea.

Right now I am glad my chest does not hurt. It does not feel weird or anything. I think it is because I am actually getting some protein in my system.
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well that could be a big improvement as your heart needs proper nourishment and the chest bones and lungs all are indicative of all sort of needs if you had pain..

Liking tea outside of 20 minutes before and after eating is ok.. just not with food.

careful with stuff from unknown origin.. read labels.  

what keeps you from sleeping? getting up or just cant? when deficient of proper nutrition then calcium levels may disturb sleep, but as you get better overall that will get better also.  

How is it that you got so (my word) run  down? are you 25 ?  I do seem to see improvements in your posts, and for the next year you might see real results.  keep up the good work..  



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Goldie, I think sipping some compliant tea is not a horrible idea when eating.  If it's the right kind, it may actually help digestion.  Not too much.  But I find that peppermint and ginger SEEM like they help if I'm sipping them while eating.  I don't do it all the time.  And even the lemon water.  That really seems to help, for sure.  But I'm talking sips.  Not gulps.  


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Sleep? I dream a lot for one, wake up and toss and turn. Up until the last months worth of time it was waking up due to something with blood shot eyes or my arm falling asleep painfully from little little pressure on it. However now that all of that is gone I still just toss and turn a lot. I think gut balance has something to do with it. The one spectacular night of sleep I had I remember well. I went to bed feeling almost energetic about approaching sleep, I was out fast, slept deep with no dreams, and woke up somewhere between 6.5-7.5 hours (less than usual) and felt full of energy.

I sometimes re-read labels on products I like just because you never know. I read them all.

Run down? For two years I ran and biked a lot but I ate soy as protein and lots of wheat for energy, and cheese (I think I was starving is the problem). However clearly that was not working as I lost muscle etc... I ate plenty of food but that did not mean anything. A lot of depression in there and more recently being passionate and in love with something that just is not going to be what I do ( dance ) .

Although as a kid I was constipated my whole life. I had ear infections and I am sure never regained a good balance after anti-biotics. I went from liking vegetables and what not at an early age to refusing to eat much of anything besides meat, wheat, and cheese (or sugar). In spaghetti sauce I hated it if there was any onions or other vegetables in it. Although most of the time unless I could pack my stomach full I felt like I was starving hungry. I could never understand how people could eat so little (clearly it did more for them than me). Like I said I was very autistic about it.

The rest of the family started out much better than I. Grandparents and uncles were all healthy and fit when young. Except the asthma my mother has had since she was little. (she actually weighed too little then instead of too much now)
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I find it really hard to keep drinking away from eating as much as is recommended. There do seem to be a lot of different recommendations about how long before and after eating you should be drinking and it's hard to know what is the best thing to do. Like you ABNoWay I tend to only sip drinks if I happen to have one while eating, but to ensure I get an adequat amount of water into me during the day I will gulp it down a cup at a time in between meals. If I was to follow some of the recommendations I think my daily water intake would be too low as I need to eat often and I'd never be able to drink enough between meals.
I have been having some ginger juice after meals (by grating ginger and pressing it through a small sieve to get about a teaspoon or so of juice) and then I put the roughed up bit of ginger I have left into a cup and make a tea out of it to have about an hour after I've eaten. This seems to help with my reflux.
With regard to peppermint tea, I have seen it suggested you shouldn't have it if you have reflux but I find it quite soothing and have just started having it again recently.
I am sure I am a typical A with low acid and my digestion was terrible before I started this way of eating, but it has been improving steadily, although I am still battling with an uncomfortable feeling in my throat and have been getting lots of headaches lately which I never used to get. Hopefully it will all go away as I continue to follow my Teacher diet.
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I have my green tea with my first meal of the day, whether it's breakfast or lunch (depends how late breakfast is), and it causes me no discomfort.  I take just a sip or two with my meal, and then usually finish it after I've finished eating.  It takes me a long time to get through a cup of tea - it's a mug, probably about 10 oz.  I can't drink tea in the morning on an empty stomach, it makes me queasy, so I must have it with a meal.  And I usually drink a little red wine with dinner.  Since following BTD my digestion has mostly been very good.  I never drink a big glass of water with a meal, like when they put big glasses of ice water on your table in a restaurant.  I hardly touch that, and I don't do it at home.  I would think a hot or warm/tepid drink would be ok with a meal as long as it's a beneficial for you, DOS, and just sips as ABNoWay says.
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headaches may also be a sign of dehydration
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I find it really hard to keep drinking away from eating as much as is recommended. There do seem to be a lot of different recommendations about how long before and after eating you should be drinking and it's hard to know what is the best thing to do. Like you ABNoWay I tend to only sip drinks if I happen to have one while eating, but to ensure I get an adequat amount of water into me during the day I will gulp it down a cup at a time in between meals. If I was to follow some of the recommendations I think my daily water intake would be too low as I need to eat often and I'd never be able to drink enough between meals.
I have been having some ginger juice after meals (by grating ginger and pressing it through a small sieve to get about a teaspoon or so of juice) and then I put the roughed up bit of ginger I have left into a cup and make a tea out of it to have about an hour after I've eaten. This seems to help with my reflux.
With regard to peppermint tea, I have seen it suggested you shouldn't have it if you have reflux but I find it quite soothing and have just started having it again recently.
I am sure I am a typical A with low acid and my digestion was terrible before I started this way of eating, but it has been improving steadily, although I am still battling with an uncomfortable feeling in my throat and have been getting lots of headaches lately which I never used to get. Hopefully it will all go away as I continue to follow my Teacher diet.


Ginger is sent from heaven for me.  Peppermint really seems to work well too.  Cultured veggies will really make a huge difference as well in my digestion.  Even just some of the juice if I'm a little stopped up.  I really recommend you make some DoS.


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Lola I am not dehydrated as I always take a big bottle of water with me to work, and I am drinking just as much as, if not more than I was before the headaches. I can't figure out what is causing them but I have never had anything like it before - my head hurts and feels like it's full of cotton wool and then it suddenly fades, only to come back again.
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Lack of protein can lead to edema which can mean dehydration even when drinking water. It might be a mild state though.

I use to have a lot of headaches no matter how much I drank, after working out.
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I am eating a lot of protein and drinking plenty of water and herb teas so I don't think I am dehydrated. My pee is pale too.
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I am eating a lot of protein and drinking plenty of water and herb teas so I don't think I am dehydrated. My pee is pale too.


What your body uses and what you eat are not always the same. Dehydration is not always how much water is in you, but what side of the cells it is on.
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How about Digestive Bitters for aiding in digestion, for type A's.



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fruit for inside the cell water for outside.. (my learned quackery)  


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SWAMI INFJ Warrior Taster
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I guess you have never seen me eat a salad , no meandering from me.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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