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Where does he say that?


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According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested, undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your
body talk to ya!


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Are you an advocate of "food combining"?

http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?subject=988813483#988881415


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Where does he say that?


I read it somewhere but I can not find it, so I delete the comment. Plus Lola's link says he rather does not care.

I am almost certain somewhere he said for A's it does not seem to matter what is combined.
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reg the 2nd to last post YOU got IT man keep it up.. especially the lemon water.. great idea..

as for coffee.. It seems a benef food for you, maybe make it waek..  interesting-  decaf is a seldom..

I might make some water with lime as I like that better.. .. !!!

last post.. you have never been on O when I am hungry and the steak is being taken away to cook just a little more ..   not science.. but reality at its best.. whoff whoff.


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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from Lola above: According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested, undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your
body talk to ya!


I recently ate some bread actually way to much.. stupid beyond explanation.. then I ate the steak and had several esophageal spasms..

I mean if people would just learn that ONE concept widly known - but not practiced- they could eliminate the need for Prilosec.. but it makes millions .. so why stop the cash cow.. more like cash elephant!!

so right..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I would think your BTD, and SWAMI in particular, would address these issues.  I had the reverse problem - too much acid in my stomach.  I lived on TUMS.  My stomach acid woke me up at night.  I would sleep on my back in a half raised position with the pillows under me so that stomach acid would not travel up into my esophogus.  Since doing BTD and now SWAMI I have not had that problem.  Eating compliantly has pretty much eliminated my excess acid and indigestion.  I can't imagine that eating a compliant A diet would not address the issues of too little stomach acid.  Probably some kind of blood type friendly supplements would be beneficial.  I hope you get it worked out, Destroyer of Smiles.

Goldie, about esophogal spasms.  I think I had that, too.  Usually when eating bread.  It felt like my throat was closing over and I could not swallow.  The food was stuck in my throat, and trying to drink water to make it go down was painful and almost impossible.  Scary!  I haven't had that lately either, but I haven't been eating bread.  I will disagree with you about Os wolfing down their food and As eating slowly.  My husband is an A and inhales his food like a wolf, while I am much slower.  He finishes his plate before I'm half way finished, and then waits like a wolf to see when I'm slowing down so he can finish mine.  Just semi-kidding - That doesn't always happen, but it has happened often enough!  
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O in virg.. well feed that poor guy .. but not from your plate.. hahah (bread for me real stupid)

I was more referring to Oh's having more stomach acid available.. but then how actually would we know what we have?  

DoS how exactly do you know that you have to little ACID??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Slow digestion, stuff coming out the other end barely digested. HCL helps. I have been eating a lot more protein while on winter vacation and it seems to be helping. However taking HCL and eating protein really helped for a bit.

It seems clear that I lack protein often and so does the rest of the family. Heart burn is common. Although I have to eat something nasty and a bunch to have heart burn usually, at least now. Previously in high school I just had it regularly from eating certain things like crackers and oddities with strange ingredients.

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I wish I had better answers but I think eating right is still best.. getting protein powder from NAP would be a good addition.. I feel for you, as you must feel weak when absorption is hampered..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I wish I had better answers but I think eating right is still best.. getting protein powder from NAP would be a good addition.. I feel for you, as you must feel weak when absorption is hampered..  


Feeling energetic almost does not happen.
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I wonder when do you drink whatever you drink?  

it is better for some to drink 20 minutes before eating rather then with food..

then the food makes its juices to digest rather then relying on the liquids to get stuff moving ..

and in the end did you ever take a look at the ENCYCLOPEDIA.. it might point you in the direction of food absorption and or fatigue, or some other thing NEVER thought of before..

I am puzzled on how you make it through the day.. and still ask are you sure there are no neutral or avoids in your foods? like nothing bought in any store other then fresh.. (if you can find or afford organic that is good- but I think not near as important then is fresh..

(I used to be exhausted that I felt like breathing was to much effort, but food slowly has turned that around.. there is hope)


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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are you allowed sour kraut?  there are those old wifes tales that it cures a bad digestive system? I have no clue..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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It has been getting better. I have been eating a lot of protein, mozzarella, eggs, turkey.

Also I have been taking Intrinsa, some fish oil, and some sorta "yeast cleanse" just for fun that is in the fridge at my fathers.

I am not particularly feeling energetic like I want to just go run about, yet. It probably has something to do with good sleep almost does not exists and nearly never has.

I try not to drown my food in water but sometimes I like tea.

Right now I am glad my chest does not hurt. It does not feel weird or anything. I think it is because I am actually getting some protein in my system.
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well that could be a big improvement as your heart needs proper nourishment and the chest bones and lungs all are indicative of all sort of needs if you had pain..

Liking tea outside of 20 minutes before and after eating is ok.. just not with food.

careful with stuff from unknown origin.. read labels.  

what keeps you from sleeping? getting up or just cant? when deficient of proper nutrition then calcium levels may disturb sleep, but as you get better overall that will get better also.  

How is it that you got so (my word) run  down? are you 25 ?  I do seem to see improvements in your posts, and for the next year you might see real results.  keep up the good work..  



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Goldie, I think sipping some compliant tea is not a horrible idea when eating.  If it's the right kind, it may actually help digestion.  Not too much.  But I find that peppermint and ginger SEEM like they help if I'm sipping them while eating.  I don't do it all the time.  And even the lemon water.  That really seems to help, for sure.  But I'm talking sips.  Not gulps.  


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Sleep? I dream a lot for one, wake up and toss and turn. Up until the last months worth of time it was waking up due to something with blood shot eyes or my arm falling asleep painfully from little little pressure on it. However now that all of that is gone I still just toss and turn a lot. I think gut balance has something to do with it. The one spectacular night of sleep I had I remember well. I went to bed feeling almost energetic about approaching sleep, I was out fast, slept deep with no dreams, and woke up somewhere between 6.5-7.5 hours (less than usual) and felt full of energy.

I sometimes re-read labels on products I like just because you never know. I read them all.

Run down? For two years I ran and biked a lot but I ate soy as protein and lots of wheat for energy, and cheese (I think I was starving is the problem). However clearly that was not working as I lost muscle etc... I ate plenty of food but that did not mean anything. A lot of depression in there and more recently being passionate and in love with something that just is not going to be what I do ( dance ) .

Although as a kid I was constipated my whole life. I had ear infections and I am sure never regained a good balance after anti-biotics. I went from liking vegetables and what not at an early age to refusing to eat much of anything besides meat, wheat, and cheese (or sugar). In spaghetti sauce I hated it if there was any onions or other vegetables in it. Although most of the time unless I could pack my stomach full I felt like I was starving hungry. I could never understand how people could eat so little (clearly it did more for them than me). Like I said I was very autistic about it.

The rest of the family started out much better than I. Grandparents and uncles were all healthy and fit when young. Except the asthma my mother has had since she was little. (she actually weighed too little then instead of too much now)
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I find it really hard to keep drinking away from eating as much as is recommended. There do seem to be a lot of different recommendations about how long before and after eating you should be drinking and it's hard to know what is the best thing to do. Like you ABNoWay I tend to only sip drinks if I happen to have one while eating, but to ensure I get an adequat amount of water into me during the day I will gulp it down a cup at a time in between meals. If I was to follow some of the recommendations I think my daily water intake would be too low as I need to eat often and I'd never be able to drink enough between meals.
I have been having some ginger juice after meals (by grating ginger and pressing it through a small sieve to get about a teaspoon or so of juice) and then I put the roughed up bit of ginger I have left into a cup and make a tea out of it to have about an hour after I've eaten. This seems to help with my reflux.
With regard to peppermint tea, I have seen it suggested you shouldn't have it if you have reflux but I find it quite soothing and have just started having it again recently.
I am sure I am a typical A with low acid and my digestion was terrible before I started this way of eating, but it has been improving steadily, although I am still battling with an uncomfortable feeling in my throat and have been getting lots of headaches lately which I never used to get. Hopefully it will all go away as I continue to follow my Teacher diet.
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I have my green tea with my first meal of the day, whether it's breakfast or lunch (depends how late breakfast is), and it causes me no discomfort.  I take just a sip or two with my meal, and then usually finish it after I've finished eating.  It takes me a long time to get through a cup of tea - it's a mug, probably about 10 oz.  I can't drink tea in the morning on an empty stomach, it makes me queasy, so I must have it with a meal.  And I usually drink a little red wine with dinner.  Since following BTD my digestion has mostly been very good.  I never drink a big glass of water with a meal, like when they put big glasses of ice water on your table in a restaurant.  I hardly touch that, and I don't do it at home.  I would think a hot or warm/tepid drink would be ok with a meal as long as it's a beneficial for you, DOS, and just sips as ABNoWay says.
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headaches may also be a sign of dehydration
"Your Body's Many Cries For Water" by F. Batmanghelidj and M.D


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I find it really hard to keep drinking away from eating as much as is recommended. There do seem to be a lot of different recommendations about how long before and after eating you should be drinking and it's hard to know what is the best thing to do. Like you ABNoWay I tend to only sip drinks if I happen to have one while eating, but to ensure I get an adequat amount of water into me during the day I will gulp it down a cup at a time in between meals. If I was to follow some of the recommendations I think my daily water intake would be too low as I need to eat often and I'd never be able to drink enough between meals.
I have been having some ginger juice after meals (by grating ginger and pressing it through a small sieve to get about a teaspoon or so of juice) and then I put the roughed up bit of ginger I have left into a cup and make a tea out of it to have about an hour after I've eaten. This seems to help with my reflux.
With regard to peppermint tea, I have seen it suggested you shouldn't have it if you have reflux but I find it quite soothing and have just started having it again recently.
I am sure I am a typical A with low acid and my digestion was terrible before I started this way of eating, but it has been improving steadily, although I am still battling with an uncomfortable feeling in my throat and have been getting lots of headaches lately which I never used to get. Hopefully it will all go away as I continue to follow my Teacher diet.


Ginger is sent from heaven for me.  Peppermint really seems to work well too.  Cultured veggies will really make a huge difference as well in my digestion.  Even just some of the juice if I'm a little stopped up.  I really recommend you make some DoS.


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Lola I am not dehydrated as I always take a big bottle of water with me to work, and I am drinking just as much as, if not more than I was before the headaches. I can't figure out what is causing them but I have never had anything like it before - my head hurts and feels like it's full of cotton wool and then it suddenly fades, only to come back again.
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Lack of protein can lead to edema which can mean dehydration even when drinking water. It might be a mild state though.

I use to have a lot of headaches no matter how much I drank, after working out.
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I am eating a lot of protein and drinking plenty of water and herb teas so I don't think I am dehydrated. My pee is pale too.
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I am eating a lot of protein and drinking plenty of water and herb teas so I don't think I am dehydrated. My pee is pale too.


What your body uses and what you eat are not always the same. Dehydration is not always how much water is in you, but what side of the cells it is on.
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