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ecstasy
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Just wondering what foods/ vitamins are the best beneficials. I am going to be going grocery shopping tomorrow and want to pick up foods that will be most healing.

Like what kind of foods do you usually get?

thanks


What is a mind, if not something to be messed with?
What is consciousness, if not a state to be altered?
If it helps to substitute for the phrase "messed with" the word "clarified" or "purified" or "alchemised" or "beautified", then perhaps my meaning is taken. A mind is a terrible to waste.
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I have to say "100% grass fed and finished" red meat (organic or from a trustworthy local farmer) is most beneficial. This is where we will not sacrifice quality. If you need to sub out good eggs for part of your protein (because of budget even though eggs are great), do that, but don't get your omega ratio mixed up and risk getting added hormones by settling in this area. CLA is my O hubby's new (2nd) best friend. Quantities don't have to be too big, but quality and frequency matter.

Happy shopping.

Cali, a little jealous, it's freezing here.


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do you know your genotype?

Can go to Learn More and Look Up Food Value and check the foods you will eat and see if they are Beneficial, Neutral or Avoid, for you.

Neutral does nothing good or nothing bad (to me a waste of money, to others a fill in when needed)lol

Enjoy your first experience, of shopping with your BTD, in mind!  Did you get rid of your avoids, in your frig/pantry, other hiding places?
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I can't manage without some beef every week- I usually get ground beef because it's the cheapest and I'm feeding 3 Os and a B. If you can afford it, go for the grass-fed organic beef. If you can't, then you need to decide if quality should win out over quality. Depending on your specific needs, you may find that you *must* have ample red meat, or you may find that you're overly sensitive to the  corn residue in corn-fed beef, and need to have the grass fed even if it means smaller quantities.

Good fish is also important- I like the sardines canned in olive oil.

You also want plenty of veggies- lots of greens, plus orange/starchy veggies such as sweet potatoes, squashes, and carrots.

The plan is to fill up on meat/fish/eggs/poultry and veggies, and to have only small amounts of grains, preferably late in the day. Quinoa is a great choice, as is brown basmati rice, but if you're in a regular supermarket with limited choices, regular brown rice works too.


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These are my favorites lately, or rather the ones that make me feel best:  Leafy greens like romaine lettuce, kale, escarole, spinach.  I dislike cooked spinach but I can eat it raw in a salad.  Asparagus.  Organic red meats, grass fed whenever possible.  Basmati rice.  Dried figs and prunes (satisfying to my sweet tooth after a meal).  Organic eggs.  Onions, garlic, fresh ginger.  Sardines.  Mahi mahi.  Cod.  Millet flour for thickening when needed.  Sprouted lentils.  Carrots, parsley, cilantro, mint, green onions, lemons & limes.  Walnuts and pecans are a good snack, although I'm taking a break from nuts this week.  Club soda or seltzer, green tea, white tea, peppermint tea, water.

p.s.  I can go for quality over quantity of red meat, but I must then have super-beneficial fish.  Protein is essential for me, or I will go on carb binges.

And ghee!
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Black beans and great northern beans are fine for all Os, if you want to include beans in your diet. I find that beans are great for stretching the food budget and having more variety, but I'd hardly consider them "essential beneficials" that are needed in the diet. I just want to point out that lentils are good for O non-secretors, but not for O secretors. It's best to stay away from lentils if you don't know your secretor status yet.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm is a start.. or meat and vegetables..

you have a great name for on 18 year old.. good luck starting life the right way..

there are two lists in my life.. I was BTD according to the test then the green list is good..

if I was prone to getting diabetes as grandparents or parents then I would try the one in blue..

at your age you have some lee way so you may combine some foods as you other wise might be to hungry, since you still are growing.. but what a chance to get so healthy to pass on good genes to the kid you will have.. all the best.. ( there is no difference in any of these foods for you they are alll perfect even if you are a nonnie.. ) and you can eat as much as you wish and will do fine.. so long as you eat only these things you will be in tip top shape.. !! forget about portion nor calories.. just follow my lead.. and then report back how you made out..

organic would be great but if you can not afford then do the next best.. where do you plan to shop?? some stores are better then others.. can you cook your own foods? can you cook three times a day?  I do it takes me less then five minutes for each meal..   but fresh cooked foods are so good..

for spices,, you might mix your own.. delish or choose a Cajun spice.. with as few ingredients as possible.. or whatever you can get..

fold this list up and carry it with you.. again good luck..  

BTD Proteef  Tuna,Turkey/Egg-whites- whole eggs.
OILS: Olive Walnut, Almond, Benef. Coconut,  Flax Nutr

VEGGIES: Beet greens, Broccoli, Chicory, Collard, Kale,
Escarole, Kale, Mitake, Seaweed, Spinach, Swiss Chard
Super Benef.
- Artichoke, Carrot, Dandelion, Horseradish, Kohlrabi,
  Romaine, Onion, Pumpkin, Turnip neut, Fiddle head,
  Mushrooms, Garlic all Benef.

FRUIT: Blueberry, Pineapple, Plum, Prune Super Benef.
- Cherry, Figs, Guava, Mango, Avocado and Prickly Pear,
  Pomegranate, Benef
- Banana 2x a month high glycemic,

SPICES: Fenugreek, Super B...
- Carob, Ginger Horseradish, Parsley, Cayenne Pepper,
  Seaweed Basil, Bay leave, Yeast brewers and bakers,
  Oregano, Saffron, Tarragon - Benef..
- Choc, Turmeric moved to seldom - Neutral.
- Cinnamon, Mayo, Apple cider vinegar, Stevia AVOID!  

NUTS: Filberts Hazel,/ Walnut Super Benef  
-Pumpkin seed is Beneficial
-Almonds AVOID!

HERBAL TEAS: Green, Dandelion, Fenugreek tea,
  Ginger all Super B...
  
BEANS: Green, Fava, Northern = Super Benef.
- Adzuki, and black-eyed peas= Benef..
  Page 50/ 53conflict.. re green bean

GRAINS: Essena, Ezekiel


MY GATHERER (short legs) Geno: Super foods..       Buffalo Bison Caribou
OIL: Almond* Camelina* Flax* Grape seed*Macadamia* Oat ben, Olive* Rice bran* Walnut oil* Hazelnut ben,
sometimes: Coconut Pumpkin Sesame.

VEGGIES: Celery* Peppers Tomato* Onion* Mushrooms* Sweet Pot neut,  Fennel, Fenugreek,  Kale,
Neut: Zucchini,
Sometimes: avocado beet broccoli cabbage carrot cucumber parsnip Squash
    
FRUIT: Bread fruit* Cranberry Grapefruit* Guava*Peach*  Pineapple*Watermelon*
Apricot  Lemon/lime, Nectarine Raspberry  
Sometimes: Apple, Banana, Cherry, No dates. Grape Honeydew, Orange, Pear, Pomegranate

SPICES: Basil, Choc* Yeast bakers* spread nutritional. Carob* Cilantro* Cinnamon* Curry* Parsley*, Fruit pectin* Turmeric*
Fennel Paprika Saffron, Veg Glycerin, Molasses,
Black strap, Umeboshi Plum vinegar
Sometimes: Anise,

NUTS: Flax/linseed, Hickory Lupin seed* Pecans* Watermelon seeds * Almond Neutr.
Avoid Filberts

DAIRY: Cottage* Farmer* Paneer*Ricotta*,
Quark, Romanian Urda cheeses
Sometimes Gruyere Mozzarella.


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Quoted from Goldie
http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm is a start.. or meat and vegetables..

you have a great name for on 18 year old.. good luck starting life the right way..

there are two lists in my life.. I was BTD according to the test then the green list is good..

if I was prone to getting diabetes as grandparents or parents then I would try the one in blue..

at your age you have some lee way so you may combine some foods as you other wise might be to hungry, since you still are growing.. but what a chance to get so healthy to pass on good genes to the kid you will have.. all the best.. ( there is no difference in any of these foods for you they are alll perfect even if you are a nonnie.. ) and you can eat as much as you wish and will do fine.. so long as you eat only these things you will be in tip top shape.. !! forget about portion nor calories.. just follow my lead.. and then report back how you made out..

organic would be great but if you can not afford then do the next best.. where do you plan to shop?? some stores are better then others.. can you cook your own foods? can you cook three times a day?  I do it takes me less then five minutes for each meal..   but fresh cooked foods are so good..

for spices,, you might mix your own.. delish or choose a Cajun spice.. with as few ingredients as possible.. or whatever you can get..

fold this list up and carry it with you.. again good luck..  

BTD Proteef  Tuna,Turkey/Egg-whites- whole eggs.
OILS: Olive Walnut, Almond, Benef. Coconut,  Flax Nutr

VEGGIES: Beet greens, Broccoli, Chicory, Collard, Kale,
Escarole, Kale, Mitake, Seaweed, Spinach, Swiss Chard
Super Benef.
- Artichoke, Carrot, Dandelion, Horseradish, Kohlrabi,
  Romaine, Onion, Pumpkin, Turnip neut, Fiddle head,
  Mushrooms, Garlic all Benef.

FRUIT: Blueberry, Pineapple, Plum, Prune Super Benef.
- Cherry, Figs, Guava, Mango, Avocado and Prickly Pear,
  Pomegranate, Benef
- Banana 2x a month high glycemic,

SPICES: Fenugreek, Super B...
- Carob, Ginger Horseradish, Parsley, Cayenne Pepper,
  Seaweed Basil, Bay leave, Yeast brewers and bakers,
  Oregano, Saffron, Tarragon - Benef..
- Choc, Turmeric moved to seldom - Neutral.
- Cinnamon, Mayo, Apple cider vinegar, Stevia AVOID!  

NUTS: Filberts Hazel,/ Walnut Super Benef  
-Pumpkin seed is Beneficial
-Almonds AVOID!

HERBAL TEAS: Green, Dandelion, Fenugreek tea,
  Ginger all Super B...
  
BEANS: Green, Fava, Northern = Super Benef.
- Adzuki, and black-eyed peas= Benef..
  Page 50/ 53conflict.. re green bean

GRAINS: Essena, Ezekiel


MY GATHERER (short legs) Geno: Super foods..       Buffalo Bison Caribou
OIL: Almond* Camelina* Flax* Grape seed*Macadamia* Oat ben, Olive* Rice bran* Walnut oil* Hazelnut ben,
sometimes: Coconut Pumpkin Sesame.

VEGGIES: Celery* Peppers Tomato* Onion* Mushrooms* Sweet Pot neut,  Fennel, Fenugreek,  Kale,
Neut: Zucchini,
Sometimes: avocado beet broccoli cabbage carrot cucumber parsnip Squash
    
FRUIT: Bread fruit* Cranberry Grapefruit* Guava*Peach*  Pineapple*Watermelon*
Apricot  Lemon/lime, Nectarine Raspberry  
Sometimes: Apple, Banana, Cherry, No dates. Grape Honeydew, Orange, Pear, Pomegranate

SPICES: Basil, Choc* Yeast bakers* spread nutritional. Carob* Cilantro* Cinnamon* Curry* Parsley*, Fruit pectin* Turmeric*
Fennel Paprika Saffron, Veg Glycerin, Molasses,
Black strap, Umeboshi Plum vinegar
Sometimes: Anise,

NUTS: Flax/linseed, Hickory Lupin seed* Pecans* Watermelon seeds * Almond Neutr.
Avoid Filberts

DAIRY: Cottage* Farmer* Paneer*Ricotta*,
Quark, Romanian Urda cheeses
Sometimes Gruyere Mozzarella.


Ya I like my name. But I'm guessing you were being sarcastic. In that case, I think you should learn more about it before you make judgments.

Oh I got genotype diet. I reserved the book at the library, I'm gonna pick it up today.

Wait why did you say avoid almonds? What's wrong with almonds?
And right now I can cook 3 times a day.

Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone.


What is a mind, if not something to be messed with?
What is consciousness, if not a state to be altered?
If it helps to substitute for the phrase "messed with" the word "clarified" or "purified" or "alchemised" or "beautified", then perhaps my meaning is taken. A mind is a terrible to waste.
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Ya I like my name. But I'm guessing you were being sarcastic. In that case, I think you should learn more about it before you make judgments.


Chill, there is no sarcasm in Goldie's response that I can find - maybe you should learn to take things for what they are   
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Ya I like my name. But I'm guessing you were being sarcastic. In that case, I think you should learn more about it before you make judgments.

Oh I got genotype diet. I reserved the book at the library, I'm gonna pick it up today.

Wait why did you say avoid almonds? What's wrong with almonds?
And right now I can cook 3 times a day.

Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone.


Lol I could totally see how you read it. haha No. Goldie didn't mean it that way. Not to say anything negative about Goldie but let me explain... She has no idea what "ecstasy" is. She is talking about the emotion ecstasy. Not the drug. This is just of huge case of misunderstanding due to age related factors. And I found it all too amusing. Goldie is a sweetie and was paying you a compliment about starting the btd at your age and was complimenting you on the good emotion used as your name. Awesome! lol



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How do you find out your secretor status????
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You can order the following kit:
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Lol I could totally see how you read it. haha No. Goldie didn't mean it that way. Not to say anything negative about Goldie but let me explain... She has no idea what "ecstasy" is. She is talking about the emotion ecstasy. Not the drug. This is just of huge case of misunderstanding due to age related factors. And I found it all too amusing. Goldie is a sweetie and was paying you a compliment about starting the btd at your age and was complimenting you on the good emotion used as your name. Awesome! lol



oh lol ok. Well thank you then.


What is a mind, if not something to be messed with?
What is consciousness, if not a state to be altered?
If it helps to substitute for the phrase "messed with" the word "clarified" or "purified" or "alchemised" or "beautified", then perhaps my meaning is taken. A mind is a terrible to waste.
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Wow, you're an O!  Awesome!

These are my staples:

Meat: Lamb is great, while beef can be tainted with avoids such as msg, maltodextrin and other spices and flavorings.  That's especially true for roast beef.  If you buy roast beef and it tastes (or smells) like French Onion soup, it's probably not good for you.

Vegetables: Broccoli, asparagus, green beans, Romaine lettuce.

Fish: Cod (especially Cod Loin), salmon, trout, all "Wild Caught," if possible.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Beef is tainted with msg?

Wait like the beef you buy at the store? That is like cut up..
I thought there wasn't anything on it?


What is a mind, if not something to be messed with?
What is consciousness, if not a state to be altered?
If it helps to substitute for the phrase "messed with" the word "clarified" or "purified" or "alchemised" or "beautified", then perhaps my meaning is taken. A mind is a terrible to waste.
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the deli beef.....like roast beef cuts and such....
not the raw


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ooh i s ee


What is a mind, if not something to be messed with?
What is consciousness, if not a state to be altered?
If it helps to substitute for the phrase "messed with" the word "clarified" or "purified" or "alchemised" or "beautified", then perhaps my meaning is taken. A mind is a terrible to waste.
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wow.. indeed.. hmm  



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the deli beef.....like roast beef cuts and such....
not the raw
Thanks, Lola.  That's what I meant.  Sorry for not being clear.  You can find marinated or seasoned raw beef that's got avoids in it, however.

I do wonder if some really cheap raw beef is colored with red dye, though.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I don't buy Boars Head anymore.    Lunch is usually a bison or beef burger, or eggs, and a salad or veg, or leftovers from dinner the night before.  I've been doing stir fries, too.  I'll use some leftover rice and throw in some veggies and leftover steak, or whatever is on hand, season it with ginger, garlic, onion, fresh herbs.  I really like the fresh seasonings as flavors.  I can eat spinach if I throw it in my stir fry at the last minute so it barely wilts.  In a little over two months I think I've got my use of pre-packaged/pre-cooked foods reduced to zero.  With the exception of some organic compliant broths.  I haven't gotten around to making my own broths yet.  And I still eat a rice cake as an afternoon snack with almond butter spread on top.  I guess rice cakes count as a pre-packaged food, and the almond butter because I don't make my own.  Yet.  
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What's wrong with Apples?  I love apples and eat them often, they seem to fill me up and are a satisfier
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What's wrong with Apples?  I love apples and eat them often, they seem to fill me up and are a satisfier

I don't know what's wrong with apples for Os.  They are an avoid on my SWAMI, but apple juice is a superfood.  Apples give me gas, though.  

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avoid or black dot?
there is a difference

check out the liver cleanse, advocating apple juice......
the malic acid content helps pulverize the stones and open the ducts for easy passage.


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avoid or black dot?
there is a difference

check out the liver cleanse, advocating apple juice......
the malic acid content helps pulverize the stones and open the ducts for easy passage.

Apples are a black dot for me, you are right - I just checked my BRAND NEW SWAMI(hee!!).    I want to do that liver cleanse.  I bought a heating pad, castor oil -- I just have to actually set myself up with it overnight.  I think that would be very good for me.  I think I will have to sleep alone that night.  
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Both apples and apple juice are avoids for me on my Swami  


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