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Dr D s B 12 is by far the best, so I d avoid other sources, no matter what


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Oops . . I posted before I was done.  Anyways, another symptom which goes along with a lack of B12 and eye twitching and hair loss is. . . Anemia!  My ferritin tested at only 12 last year!  As you said, the picture is starting to come together.

It was also indicated that people with low B12 also have stomach/digestion and absorption problems.  Just as Dr. D indicates as an A.  They recommend only a "Sub lingual B12 together with Folic Acid and Biotin which work all together.

NAP does not make a sublingal B12 as such.  Any good recommendations?  Along with this I plan on also taking some Biotin for the hair, I'm sure Iron as well.

I should also order a digestion enzyme along with the Secretor test.  What are you thoughts?


My ferritin was 9 many years ago...I took B12 sublingual for years. 5 mg in fact. And even
then, I was pretty sure it wasn't being absorbed.  What I really love and I'm sure it's working is the NAP B12/folic...I take one in the AM with breakfast....one in the PM with dinner.
I sleep so well it's unbelievable...so it's working for balancing my circadian rhythm..  You can always take biotin by itself...but I really recommend the NAP B12 formula.

I'm also taking Iodoral....a minimum dosage.  My hands and feet are warm for the first time
in years.  Hair not falling out anymore...Lots of other strange symptoms went away too.

Iodine displaces bromide.  Bromide toxicity is a problem for people who might or might not
have a clear indication on a blood test of low thyroid, but clearly have low iodine.

I had loads of these symptoms.  Iodoral really helped.  I started with two pills per day...when
my body got warm enough, I dropped down to one. My body temperature is now 98.6  It
used to be below 97 most days.  I have experimented taking 1/2 a pill which is 6 mg but I
still seem to need one whole pill.

BTW, Iodoral is Lugol's solution in pill form.  Bought it online....Amazon, no prescription
necessary.

http://www.amazon.com/OPTIMOX-.....7&sr=1-1-catcorr

Iodine-related bromide symptoms may include but are not be limited to:

eye lid twitching
foot twitching
tingling in hands or feet
dark thoughts (e.g., there is no reason to live)
depression (e.g., there is no reason to get out of bed)
anxiety
emotionality
mouth and tongue sores and cuts or "sore mouth"
"different" acne,"bromide acne," "acne-like eruptions" without "coniform." (Some iodine
users found zinc helps bromide acne.)
skin "cuts"
hair loss
brain fog
leg and hip ache (feels like arthritis)
rash (bromaderma)
metallic  taste
sinus ache
runny nose
headache
sedation
lethargy
odd swallowing sensation (reported in old  medical literature as "swollen glottis")
body odor (bromos is Greek for stench)
unusual urine odor
dry mouth
ureteral spasm, frequent urination (mistaken for urinary infection)
diarrhea
constipation
vision changes
irritability
increased salivation
dream changes
hormone changes
kidney pain

The information above comes from this book by Dr. David Brownstein....http://www.amazon.com/Iodine-n.....289611540&sr=1-1

Research:
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml


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http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1228722203/s-0/#num0

Here is an old thread by you Rose might want to go over what we told you months ago.


Great idea!  I read through the posts and there are some good ideas shared by some very caring and sincere people.  



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Thanks Chloe!  I've got a question:

I'm confused -- The above symptoms you mentioned as Iodine symptoms were actually listed as lack of "B12" symptoms on numerous sites, i.e, eye twitching, burning tongue, etc.

So are these symptoms due to B12 deficiency or Iodine?  Both are different, right?
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To Lola:

Are you sure about the Dr D's B12 being the best for me  I know Chloe couldn't take it:

Posted by Chloe:
I have gluten intolerance, and some patches of vitiligo on my lower arms and I have voted that I had many symptoms you listed. In fact, the week I started taking the NAP B12, my tongue got tingly and weird.....It hadn't happened when I was taking a sublingual B12 that was 5 mg.  I had to double up supplementation because the NAP formula was less mg than mine..

That is why I'm considering a SUBLINGUAL B12
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read about the different B12 in the market, and decide for yourself if you wish to put cyanide into your system
http://www.4yourtype.com/methylb12.asp

the choice is yours


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in the end I am glad you are sorting this out.. doing the Iodine test is easy and cheaper than all else and you can use it for years to come..

the iron 'test' is easy also .. eat some rich iron type foods and maybe buy on iron fry pan and things out to improve nearly over night..

sups for B12 ....once the gut gets healed on the left side in the large intestines bend then absorption will get better also..

EAT compliant SUPER and BENEFICIALS only for a while.. and double on foods that are rich in what you need.. look up all items the info is there to learn from..  
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Lola & Goldie:

Thanks.  I will do the Iodine & Iron test, and I also need my secretor test done.  I don't think by any means have I licked this thing, but maybe I've gotten a "little" closer.  The reason I say this is because as I have checked out some hair loss forums it appears others have tried supplementing with B12, Biotin, etc. and still have hair loss.  I'm sure I still need to address my THYROID.

I just checked in Dr. D's books and I did not see any protocol for the Thyroid?  I believe someone mention it's in his books????  Am I missing it?  Am I having a "brain fart?"  Happens a lot since menopause.   I want my hormones back!

Lola -- I most definitely WON'T even consider the cheaper form of B12 and will make certain to use Methylcobalamin as Dr. D.  However, I did find sublingual B12 along with Folic Acid made by DaVinci Labs for $11.53
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Let me see if I can explain this.  Ideally, it would be helpful to read Dr. Brownstein's book and understand the type of iodine testing that he speaks about.

What he explains in his book is this:  Bromide is a toxin...It's found in many baked goods.  You might
not be ingesting baked goods that contain bromide right now, but you might have in the past, as
we all have.  What bromide does is block iodine from being absorbed in your body.  You could
be eating high iodine foods but it takes two different types of iodine to displace the bromide.  One
is potassium iodine....the other iodine.

Easy to do your own testing by ordering kits.  http://www.hakalalabs.com/services
(although I didn't use this company -- just for your information)

So what I've listed is the symptoms of bromide toxicity....which if this is your problem, you're also
iodine deficient unless you're taking this combination form of iodine -- Iodoral, which I've previously
mentioned is the same as the liquid formula Lugol's solution.

I think it's best to have your iodine measured before you self treat.  Dr. Brownsteins book
shows you the type of test you need.  What's measured is how much iodine you excrete in
your urine.  Ideally, the more you excrete, what it shows is that you're not holding onto much.
And you want to take iodine and excrete very little which shows you're absorbing it and
bromide isn't blocking the absorption.

OK, I see you have quoted a prior post of mine...which I'd now have to update and say it would be a moot point because I'm doing very very well on Dr. D's B12 now.  A lot of things weren't
balanced in my body at the time....I believe my SWAMI diet has profoundly altered the health of my gut and I wasn't close to healing it when that I wrote that post.

I'm taking less B12 than I once did, but it's now being absorbed properly.  And following my SWAMI and helping to heal my gut might be why...


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What I really love and I'm sure it's working is the NAP B12/folic...I take one in the AM with breakfast....one in the PM with dinner.
I sleep so well it's unbelievable...so it's working for balancing my circadian rhythm..  You can always take biotin by itself...but I really recommend the NAP B12 formula.

Sounds like a great recommendation for NAP B12 to me...  I also take the Methyl B12 Plus from NAP...
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I'm also taking Iodoral....a minimum dosage.  My hands and feet are warm for the first time in years.  Hair not falling out anymore...Lots of other strange symptoms went away too.

Iodine displaces bromide.  Bromide toxicity is a problem for people who might or might not have a clear indication on a blood test of low thyroid, but clearly have low iodine.
My understanding is that flouride, chlorine, and bromine all effect the proper storage and usage of Iodine in the body.  I supplement with tincture of iodine patches on the skin and use both sodium and potassium iodide base...  I can definitely tell when I need more iodine, so I know it helps to do it...

Yes, B12 and iodine are different, but it can be a combination of several things contributing to the same symptoms that is causing your problems...  

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I just checked in Dr. D's books and I did not see any protocol for the Thyroid?  I believe someone mention it's in his books????  Am I missing it?

The ER4YT Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia, pages 421 through 430...


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The ER4YT Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia, pages 421 through 430...

You can find the book ,here or at
Amazon


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Thanks Chloe!  I've got a question:

I'm confused -- The above symptoms you mentioned as Iodine symptoms were actually listed as lack of "B12" symptoms on numerous sites, i.e, eye twitching, burning tongue, etc.

So are these symptoms due to B12 deficiency or Iodine?  Both are different, right?


I had a B12 deficiency for many years and went for shots...(But when I did this I was eating
gluten grains, had chronic Lyme disease symptoms and my symptoms were indicative of a
B12 deficiency)  I also could have been deficient in iodine at the same time but it was never measured because my thyroid tests looked normal. Yet I had freezing hands and feet and a low
body temperature.

But I believe the symptoms I had that I called a B12 deficiency more recently were most likely
due to bromide (or another) toxicity and winding up having unabsorbed iodine.

The fact that I feel better overall is most likely 3 things:

1) following my SWAMI for over a year, healing my gut (also eating dairy, eggs, lamb and getting
    more food sources of B12 in my diet)

2) Finally I'm now absorbing the NAP B12 although it's not a sublingual and although it's got
    less mg. than the formula I was taking before.

3) Taking iodine and finally absorbing it

So whether I was accurately describing myself to be B12 deficient or maybe not knowing that I was really iodine deficient, I believe I no longer have either problem.


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Thanks Grey Rabbit!  

I have the Live Right 4 Your Type, Cook Right 4 Your Type, and the Menopausal book.  Wouldn't you know it, the one I need I don't have!

I ran to the book store and unfortunately they didn't have it but could order it.  

Grey Rabbit, can you possibly share the important protocol of the book and what Dr. D recommends.  

Chloe:   I found some info on this forum where someone indicated Dr. D doesn't suggest Iodine for treatment of Thyroid?
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Iodine:  -- Found it. Read below:

Dr. D’Adamo does not recommend iodine supplements, rather a diet rich in saltwater fish and kelp to help regulate the thyroid gland. Bladder Wrack is also an excellent nutrient for type O’s. This herb, actually a seaweed, is very effective as an aid to weight control for Type O’s. “The fucose in bladder wrack seems to help normalize the sluggish metabolic rate and produce weight loss in Type O’s,” says Dr. D’Adamo.

I wonder what his thoughts and suggestions are for Type A?
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try only the iodine patch test for now

you need to clear your system first and get your gut ecosystem in balanced
before thinking of supplementing


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Thanks Grey Rabbit!  

Grey Rabbit, can you possibly share the important protocol of the book and what Dr. D recommends.  



Dr.D recommends the Metabolic Enhancement Protocol and the Detoxification Protocol both of which can be found here.


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Iodine:  -- Found it. Read below:

Dr. D’Adamo does not recommend iodine supplements, rather a diet rich in saltwater fish and kelp to help regulate the thyroid gland. Bladder Wrack is also an excellent nutrient for type O’s. This herb, actually a seaweed, is very effective as an aid to weight control for Type O’s. “The fucose in bladder wrack seems to help normalize the sluggish metabolic rate and produce weight loss in Type O’s,” says Dr. D’Adamo.

I wonder what his thoughts and suggestions are for Type A?


Kelp is a toxin on my SWAMI as is kombu, nori and bladderwrack..I think in time I will probably rely on various beneficial seaweeds to keep me in balance but I just knew Iodoral was the supplement I needed to raise my iodine levels to a healthier level.  My benes are sea cucumber, irish Moss and wakame but all gave me acne.. so I think each person has to decide for themselves when to go outside of the box and do what they feel is right for them... I've spent a lot of years trying to get my body temperature up to normal.  I was just sharing what worked for me.  And my hair stopped falling out.  I play by the rules 99% of the time...but sometimes I just make my own decisions because I feel that strongly that i'm right...And so when my body
temperature reached 98.6 after a few months on Iodoral and I stopped shivering all the time, I knew I made the right decision.

This is from the Second Opinion Newsletter by Dr. Robert Rowen --regarding iodine supplementation.

October, 2004, Issue:

It is possible that Iodine deficiency could cause breast or prostate cancer, as well as be responsible for fatigue, chronic illness, or many other ailments.

"During the 19th century, iodine was considered the universal treatment: “If nothing else works, try iodine” was the adage. Considering the broad range of symptoms of thyroid deficiency (fatigue, hypertension, depression, hair loss, hoarseness, dry skin, constipation, cold intolerance, concentration difficulties, muscle cramps, menstrual problems, poor memory, inability to concentrate, weight gain, nervousness, infertility, irritability, bone thinning, just to name a few), no wonder it was promoted as the universal treatment..."

Cretinism — a cause of deafness and mental impairment of children — is caused by an iodine deficiency during pregnancy!!

"Iodine should be stored in your fat tissues, liver, heart, salivary glands, stomach cells, parts of the eye that deal with aqueous fluid and intraocular pressure, and even in specific brain cells that are related to Parkinson’s disease."

WHAT??? My mother's companion died of Parkinson's. Michael Fox, that darling man, has it too. There is evidence now that a simple iodine deficiency is part of the problem. It's too late for Ed. Has anyone told Michael?

"The second largest concentration of iodine in the female body is in the breasts. To give you an idea of how much iodine your body needs, the breasts must have 100 times as much iodine in the blood to have their fill as does the thyroid! The same is true for the other endocrine glands, the prostate, stomach, and white blood cells."

"Many of us integrative physicians have used iodine for decades to completely quell all symptoms of fibrocystic breast disease and menstrual-associated breast pain."

"Iodine deficiency could also be the cause of your fatigue, chronic illness, immune defects, and lack of stomach acid."

November, 2004, Issue

"Fatigue — An underactive thyroid typically causes fatigue. Iodine supplementation can quickly activate the thyroid and relieve fatigue. Dr Abraham reports iodine deficiency may harm pituitary-adrenal function in rodents. Your adrenal is essential for energy and stamina."
...
"Thyroid disease — When there’s not enough iodine to bind with cell membranes, it allows enzymes called peroxidases (which can damage those membranes) to wreak havoc and cause autoimmune disease, such as thyroiditis (Hashimoto’s or Grave’s)."
...
"While iodine will help the thyroid increase the production of hormone where necessary, it also inhibits over-release from the gland by giving thyroid enzymes what they want. These iodine-seeking enzymes that attack thyroid membranes can be normalized when they get the iodine they need. This old information is terrific news for the many people (usually women) who have been told to have their thyroid removed to end hyperthyroidism. These draconian measures ensure the patient will have to rely on prescriptive thyroid hormone for the rest of their life. But iodine can completely solve the problem."

"Poor digestion — many organs need iodine, but can’t absorb it until the blood measurements reach very high levels. The stomach and salivary glands are two such organs, but they can’t uptake iodine in any significant amounts until the blood level reaches 100 times what the thyroid needs. Most people do not produce enough stomach acid as they grow older. I firmly believe low gastric acidity can be caused by iodine deficiency, as iodine promotes stomach acidity!"
...
"Breast, ovarian, and skin cysts — In addition to fixing almost all cases of breast cysts, iodine also has a remarkable healing effect on ovarian cysts, and even on skin cysts. (For the latter, I recommend rubbing in iodine right over the cyst.)"
...
"Dementia and glaucoma — Iodine is found in large amounts in the brain (including the parts of the brain associated with Parkinson’s disease) and the ciliary body of the eye, a possible factor in glaucoma."



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Nope, Rose is not gone and still here.  I've just been working long hours.

Plus, with the loss of my job last year and in taking this new position, due to a $5 an hour decrease in my salary I had to take some measures to save my home.  

In order to make my mortgage payments I had to bring in a tenant to rent a section of my home which allows me to keep my home and continue to make the mortgage payments.  So I've been pretty busy in prepping the house and helping the tenant move in.

It's been an "adjustment" for lack of a better word, having literally a stranger in your home, but a girl's gotta do what she's gotta do.  No wonder I'm losing my hair.  Just kidding.  I wish it was that simple.

Note to myself:  don't look at those smilies' faces as it scares me to think my scalp will look like that soon!
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My mother's companion died of Parkinson's. Michael Fox, that darling man, has it too. There is evidence now that a simple iodine deficiency is part of the problem. It's too late for Ed. Has anyone told Michael?

I read, at one time, that most of Michael Fox's problem was a Diet Pepsi addiction...   I can't remember where or how long ago I read that, but thar ya go...  That is not to say that additional iodine wouldn't help him, though...


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I don't know if it was you I spoke with a while back, but my Doctor at http://www.elementalsliving.com is a very good one.  They can get you balanced out and see if you need b12.  Which is probably the case if you're not eating much meat or animal protein.  

b12 helps you methylate.  Which helps all kinds of functions that I don't know how to explain.  If you're low in it, it's not good.  

If you get you're a non secretor, you should be eating more meat.  Hopefully you're eating turkey and chicken.  Although if your not digesting well, that will cause you to be anemic.  I have all these problems also, but my hair isn't falling out, I'm just getting smaller and smaller.  

But Dr. Hicks and Beth are great people and I'm sure can help a great deal.  They have helped my whole family TONS.  Even though I'm still struggling and going to Mayo next week.  But I believe the things they have given me and things they have figured out have been HUGE in my journey to health.  I know they're not covered by insurance, but I'm not sure an ND would be either.  

I hope you get it sorted out!


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I read, at one time, that most of Michael Fox's problem was a Diet Pepsi addiction...   I can't remember where or how long ago I read that, but thar ya go...  That is not to say that additional iodine wouldn't help him, though...


It seems more likely that a major contributing factor to Michael J Fox's development of Parkinson's at such a young age was massive and excessive cocaine use (among other drugs and alcohol).  Cocaine is a dopamine release drug and Parkinson's is a deficiency in dopamine as produced by the substatia nigra in the brain...


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heard someone mention that a cocaine sniff, equals a brain infraction seen through a scan.....
only someone totally alien or separated from themselves and their souls would want to experience that, every time!!!!

no self love or respect what so ever!!!


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