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Goldie
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However, most of these things happened "prior" to my hair loss except for the death of my mom and divorce.

You asked if I tried 5HTP -- What is that?  Never heard of it.  Is this a vitamin supplement?  Go to the health food store.. and ask what they have to say.. also read a post made here today and a link I made..

Menopause can be a long lasting issue.and hormones matter.. can you get a good hormone test.. or have you even tried some?? which ones?? ...... getting some Testosterone might be good for you.. but if you are aggressive and angry, then be careful as you may have enough of the hormones or even too much??  



You are so lucky you love your Doctor. .  I wish I could say the same!  It was actually the lack of knowledge and/or  compassion of the Doctor's I've seen that made ME take take responsibility for my own health, hence following the BTD.  GOOD for whatever brought you here.. Keep up BTD but take this test:

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm  you might do better changing your diet ever so lightly or get Swami.. but do the blood test first.. you might have been miss- tested??


In answer to your question about what kind of salt I use -- I use sea salt.  I eat protein every day, either from Fish, Chicken or Turkey, and eat plenty of almonds, nuts, etc.  

I look forward in hearing from you and what your friend recommends.  Please know I appreciate it immensely, and than him/her for me!  

That is why I love the BTD and this site.  In the many years I have followed Dr. D's protocols, I've also come to learn everyone here is so supportive and wonderful.  Until of course I read  Andrea's post.  Maybe I misinterpreted it, which can happen so many times in emails and/or posts.  If so, I apologize.

Wishing everyone a wonderful and delightful day.  Here in Wisconsin it's actually beautiful and we are having a fabulous Indian Summer.  I do not tolerate the cold at all, so I am not looking forward to what's ahead.[/color]  

please consider some of the above.. maybe not all at once.. but just about in the order of suggestions.. give each item 2 weeks and see what might happen..   Aand thanks for al the info this helps so much to get a better picture.. of you..

also see the private message I sent you..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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When you go to a doctor, often they will order tests to gather information very early on.
With information, the doctor gives guidance.

We, too, have the ability to gather information right from home.  The salivary secretor test kit is an important investment to make excellent choices. The Type A non-secretor diet is vastly different from the secretor diet.   Swami xpress takes your information to produce your unique guide for foods including genoharmonic foods and much more.
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Andrea AWsec
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HAIR LOSS IN THYROID DISEASE
by ROSEBUD ยป Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:13 pm

I JUST FOUND THIS SITE...IT'S VERY INTERESTING. I HAD GRAVE'S DISEASE DIAGNOSED 7 YRS.AGO...VERY VERY SICK. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS BUT I HAD EVERY SYMPTOM. I HAD RADIOACTIVE IODINE TO MY THYROID & NOW 7 YRS. LATER...I SWITCHED BACK TO SYNTHROID IN FEBRUARY & EVERY BLOOD TEST HAS SHOWN HYPERTHYROIDISM & MY DOSE HAS BEEN DECREASED EVERY 2 MOS. I FEEL TERRIBLE. I HAD THICK SHINY HAIR & IT CONTINUES TO FALL OUT FROM THE ROOT. I HAVE LOST ABOUT 75%. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? I JUST CAME FROM THE LAB...CALLED MY ENDOCRINOLOGIST TODAY & TOLD HIM HOW TERRIBLE I FEEL. HE SENT ME FOR ANOTHER TSH, T3 & T4 ALONG WITH A CBC & IRON BLOOD TEST. I AM VERY CONVERNED ABOUT THE HAIR, AS WELL. [/i]
ROSEBUD"


Rosebud is this you? Do you have Grave's disease?
Sorry I insulted you but you still did not answer any questions about what you are doing.
  Please know that we are here to help but you need to do your part.
Maybe it is time to focus your energy on something else and get on with life. Many women wear wigs, and no one ever knows.


MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo

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AKArtlover
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What the members are saying is, is that you may need to up your game diet wise and then you "can" figure this out on your own.

The ER4YT diet may not be enough for you anymore.  Members here are suggesting you get your secretor status tested so you can adjust your diet to your secretor status and/or go further, and purchase the SwamiX program, and get a very personalized diet program based on your unique medical and genetic history.

This is why they are saying you don't need an MD or ND to help you solve your hair loss problem.  Since you didn't respond to these suggestions (you may not have understood them) I think that's why Andrea responded the way she did.


I think so too, K-- Andrea can sometimes be blunt and people take it the wrong way. I tend to ramble on too long. I completely missed rosebud meaning she tried the practitioner finder for an MD.

Unfortunatly at this point, the MD/ND's aren't plentiful enough in the IFHI directory-- though there may be many out there who "get it" but aren't certified. My point was someone who is at least on board with what you are attempting to do. I just pulled a random link from the net, sure Dr. D's is much better.

If you can find someone who is excellent in Chinese medicine, that may be another alternative to explore.

Wow, Andrea really cares about you if she went back to find out all that info.
Seems like there is more to your story than we initially thought. Hang in there and find someone who can help. Remember that people active on this board are most likely not from near you. Maybe you can go to the Meeting Tree thread and private message a few?

I looked up Grave's disease and B12 deficiency is common. You may need more than a normal person. Hope you can find a professional to help you walk through it.

I kind of agree with Andrea, the energy of frustration isn't really benefiting you in the long run.

My grandmother had thinning and balding hair and became well known for her colorful hats and personality in her later years. She was a somewhat vain women, but she didn't let her hair loss hold back her flair. Me, I would probably just shave my head (did once in college and was fine with it).

Best to you.

I really need to cut the length of my responses, I get caught up and have other stuff to do-- time flies on this board.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Andrea AWsec
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I think so too, K-- Andrea can sometimes be blunt and people take it the wrong way.



In NY we are like this.

Not sure even which part is blunt?


  




MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Yes, mam. In person, it's easy. It's so simple for people to misinterpret text. I'm going to take a cue from you and attempt to keep my posts shorter and to the point.

I think everyone on the board does best to assume that everyone else means well and for the most part, I think everyone does most all of the time. I have to check my head sometimes.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Ok, now-- there is my point exactly-- your interpretation of my word choice. I meant-- short and to the point. Now when I read your response, I didn't even see your question about the word blunt.

Rosebud posts a short question-- and I think she had another on another thread-- and we don't realize there is a whole backstory.

I think the computer world has us all talking in shorthand much of the time. Good and bad to that.

But for the sake of time, I need to start posting like a New Yorker!  


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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I find it interesting that we kind of look at the symptoms in the same way.. If it is so tractable why can there not be a list of issues that point in one direction  to start with then eliminating as things are tested and tried.. I mean we are supposed to have the best healthcare..yet we can not figure out such a suggestion.. frustrating for anyone caught in the web of docs and diagnoses'.. and so costly.  We should work on something like that and get it of the ground.. as a grass root project.  

I had started a thread a while ago.. asking for symptom lists.. they are interesting and it could be a starting point .. I mean yes doc'd cant function on us knowing something.. not scientific enough, but could we not develope such a thing.. what would hold us back??  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Yes, mam. In person, it's easy. It's so simple for people to misinterpret text. I'm going to take a cue from you and attempt to keep my posts shorter and to the point.

I think everyone on the board does best to assume that everyone else means well and for the most part, I think everyone does most all of the time. I have to check my head sometimes.


I guess balance is key.

Angela you are pretty terrific.



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"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Can't add  much myself.
Doc D. posted a link for you.
Don't nonnie As need some meat? I also think that would be a good start.


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Quoted from rosebud
  
I'm here because I believe in Dr. D, his protocols, and am lost in trying to figure out on my own, what is causing me to lose my hair.  It has been going on now for 7 yrs, and has been just devastating.  )


I just saw on tv 99% of the reason people have hair loss is due to too much stress. You are an A. We get stressed very easily. What do you do to handle your stress ?
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I think so too, K-- Andrea can sometimes be blunt and people take it the wrong way.


It's a Warrior thing. We are sadly misunderstood...

BTW, my hair is thinning as well..it's all about aging ... I need to stop worrying about my hair and be grateful I have good health otherwise.
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4.82 is on the high end for TSH.   Maybe you need to look for another endocrinologist.  There's a list on Mary Shomon's site.  You might look there and see if there's someone near enough to you to talk to.  It's all a matter of balance and sometimes it's really a struggle to find the find a doctor that's really interested in you and is willing to work with you.  I wish you  the best.  
Did you look at Dr. D's link?
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I sent you the name of a good doc..to trust your 'hair health' to /// in private message..

others are welcome to ask more about this by email..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Hi Rosebud, I'm a type A and find I do need a little meat as in Turkey/chicken.You might want to read up on adrenal fatigue which I understand is common, and will impact the thyroid.  The naturopath I was going to was treating my thyroid, TSH was 3.  But after a while she was puzzled about the lack of response. She then learned that some people have an adrenal issue that affects they thyroid. So the adrenals need to be supported first, and sometimes the thyroid recovers as a result. The adrenal issue is a result of a lot of anxiety/stress which you sound like you have gone through.  I found a good website that explains a lot about the adrenal - thyroid hormone link http://www.drrind.com, for adrenal vs thyroid - http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-faqs#adrenalvsthyroid.
Good luck!
Lin


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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I kinda agree about not stressing over the hairloss and moving on, but maybe from my own different perspective. For me, the emphasis would be on the not stressing, and would not mean that I just accepted it and stopped making an effort.

If my hair was falling out in handfuls (and I have had a lot of hairloss, which is moving in the good direction now), I would work on rebuilding solid health from the ground up.  My focus would not necessarily be on my hair, because I see this as a symptom, but I would continue to do whatever I could to benefit my scalp and hair follicles at the same time I'm working on my general health.  

Other type A's have mentioned the stress/worry factor and I think this is a key to the big picture.  The only way we can control the challenges and pain that life throws our way is to change ourselves;  either our thoughts or actions or the type of emotions that we cultivate.  Not only is it our right, but it is our responsibility to develop our coping strategies.  If I know I have a hard time dealing with stress, this gives me a step in my 'game plan';  developing some strategies for lowering my reaction to stressful events.



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Hello Goldie:

In regards to my temperature, I did indeed do that a few years ago when I was reading up a lot on thyroid issues.  My average temp for 1 week was 97.82

I also tried the melatonin.  Didn't work;  not a bit.

In regards to the Amalgam dust, I know that's not what's causing my hair loss because I just started working there only a year ago and my hair loss has been going on now for 8 yrs.

I did indeed get my colonoscopy test done this summer in July.  I go every five years.
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your puppy must be quite big by now, RB!

have you taken any new pictures?


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so all my questions got washed out.. well keep on trying... if the temp is ok, then looking at the adrenals and the Piuitary gland might be another avenue..  

what about the throid and Iodine test?  

I think I would go to BU and get tested.. or at least  get Swami  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Hi Andrea & Everyone:

Cannot tell you how much I appreciate everyone's help and compassion.  A BIG hug and many thanks.  And thanks to D. D for his link.  I will check it out immediately.  There has to be someone out there who can help.

Andrea -- Wow!  Another Rosebud is loosing hair!!!  Talk about coincidence.  Sorry, but the other ROSEBUD is not me.  I do NOT have Graves disease.  I feel wonderful except for my balding head.  I contribute my good health to ER4BT and Dr. D.  However, I should would be interested in talking to the other ROSEBUD.

That's why I'm so confused, scared and frustrated.  i made the mistake yesterday of looking in a mirror at the store and just wanted to cry.  I'm sure you know what I'm talking about and you've seen those women with the balding scalps and feel so sorry for them; that's me.  And I'm only 55 yrs young; hair loss started at around 47, immediately going into peri-menopause.  Damn hormones!

I'm doing everything right, and yet I'm losing all this hair.  I don't know if I should think thyroid, adrenals, B12, iron, magnesium, glandular support, hormones (HRT) . . . Ugh!  Sometimes I think I just should have taken the ROGAINE the endo told me to use and maybe I would have my hair.  I just personally feel Rogaine is really a drug and a band-aid of sorts, and something is really amiss in my body which needs fix'in.

I believe someone asked if I was sure I was A+.  Yes, years ago I gave blood and was told that is my blood type.  And given my slim body, personality, and required food groups, I definitely know I am.

Hugs,

Rose
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Have you read Susanne somers books.. If I still had my period I woudl twke the hormones for life.. I felt good about them then.. exactly 50 years like clockwork 6.30 every 28 days.. then downhill from there..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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In the meantime I'd like to suggest to you a remedy, which helped me very quickly - made a quick improvement in a short time. You may have heard about it, or even used it: Priorin by Bayer Vital, Leverkusen, Germany. It contains millet extract, Vit. B5 and Cysetin. http://www.priorin.de/home.php (German link)


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I'm doing everything right, and yet I'm losing all this hair.  

Hugs,

Rose


So tell us what you are doing?
...

What is your secretor status? What is your Genotype?





MIFHI

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Tweaking is helpful to make further gains to your health.  The secretor test would be very helpful to further refine your recommendations.  
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