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Goldie
Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 1:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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PC thanks and all others to..

I eat exactly:

Meat steaks, roasted thin fried or stewed - lean mostly 2x a day,
Fish seldom
Eggs for breakfast or
Broth and deep green leaves for breakfast
Olive oil.. 1 spoon - not enough.. some mayo every so often (avoid)
Nutsumpkin seeds or walnuts
Beans..Green beans,
no grains (unless I am out very seldom)
Veggies, broccoli, chicory, escarole, kale, ... Kohlrabi Romain, onions cooked only, pumpkin, turnip... zuccini, may add carrots again?  
Fruit: blueberry, pineapple, plum, prunes.  Seldom banana, cherry, figs, guava, mango, avocado
Spices: Sea salt, Fenugreek, Turmeric, Cayenne,  sometimes choc 85%
Tea: Peppermint Rosehip..
water 6x 8 oz in tea or plain.
Honestly this is it...

I discovered that I am really not feeling water for liquid.. that is why I choose some other foods.. or fruit..

DOES anyone else have the feeling that water does nothing for thirst?? My brain is wierd that way. I don't really feel thirst .,..  I look for food instead to chew or swallow or whatever..  

NOW I am not learing after some foods.. I eat enough all day.. but I needed to find ways to take away the loss by finding some other thing to satisfy..like anything that would make me feel like I had coffee flavor or creamy stuff.. not with sugar just the familiar texture..

I no longer look for sweet stuff.. (other than when I am out) Small frozen fruit pieces help a lot in portion and amount..

I used to (years ago) eat 8-10 oz a meal, and many walnuts.. and I lost weight when I did that.. but I have cut to be more like 4 oz.. and less nuts more seeds..
I eat enough veggies.. and I do eat some fruit but it is now less of a fight.. much less.. like .5 -1 oz several time a day.. drinking more water does not help..

By the way I have been eating like this for years and years.. and am ok with it.. even my friends know I cook only these things for them also.. and serve mostly pineapple or blueberries with cherri juice sauce..  care to come for dinner??  I am imaginative so I don't get bored..

PC I agree maybe not enough oil.. but I dont know how to add it, as I don't like the flavor to much..
You are much more adventuroues with the foods you eat.. I am just not able to go off BTD.. but I like it as listed above.. (I went of to Gatherer foods for a previous year and blew a hole in my sugar issues..I am sure that others do well with it - but for me it did not ) the above Super and Ben BTD suits me well..

PC did you read page 54?? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,gosh my whole life here.. Hhahaha


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Goldie
Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 1:35am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I think the discussion about fruit is as following.. many are full of sugar and we don't need it.

maybe 3 fruits in small portions might be ok

but fruit and starches is a no no, the same is starches and meat.. basically a no no..

veggies and protein is limitless.. veggies Juiced is good, fruit should be eaten whole always.

dairy is sugar conversion and should be seen as such.. (I am O so does not apply to others)  

onions might be a sweet food also .. in portion ok..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 2:02am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I think that Guardian article may be missing some things, as informative as it is. I think the nutritionists and dietitians they are consulting with may be overlooking that there is more to human nutritional interest than vitamins and minerals. I think saying that a fruit is nothing more than sugar, water, some potassium, and some vitamin C is a little simplistic. I think it's more complex than that. What about all the different kinds of phytochemicals, like flavonoids or proteolytic enzymes? Each fruit is a world unto itself, just like each person, I think. It may not be helpful to lump them all together like the article does at times. But it does shed some important light on some aspects of the produce industry.
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Goldie
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I THINK MY question comes down to : HOW MUCH fruit, or how many, carbs how often ?? versus Protein??? for perdiabetics and diabetics or sugar sensitive people??  or people who eat to stay awake or energetic??  ( like coffe drinkers drink it all day- why?? )


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 1:49pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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When you say assist cancer with fruits like cherries, and veg like onions, are you saying they are bad for you? Or good in preventing cancer? In the food value list I always thought Onions was good to take? And for O's both says Benifical.
I only recently joined on board, so alittle confused ?


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When you say assist cancer with fruits like cherries, and veg like onions, are you saying they are bad for you? Or good in preventing cancer? In the food value list I always thought Onions was good to take? And for O's both says Benifical.
I only recently joined on board, so alittle confused ?


Eagle Beach.. welcome.. but maybe you could give a little more info in your profile so we can better answer.. like place and fem or not?

what health issues you might have?? how long on BTD or GENO?

but to your question for some the foods are ok while for others it is not..  seems onions are a lot of sugar especially when glazed in their own juices.. so not sooo good for diabetics?? I love onions.. Cherries are good blood cleansers..

keep asking ..    


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Peppermint Twist
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omg, omg, OMG.

One more time, with feeling, because I don't know why there is such an anti-fruit strain of thought running through this fab-n-bril community:

FRUIT is FABULOUS!  Just be sure to focus, of course, on your superfood fruits, and ENJOY!

Just my two cents but some of you guys are WAY too worried about "fruit", as a general/reduced-down group.  But as we know here in this community, foods aren't generalized groups/categories as much as they are unique, individual entities.  Each specific fruit should be judged on its own merits.  Your superfood fruits are superfoods for a reason, and I disagree with that one quoted pup who said that it is a myth that fruit is packed with nutritive value.  It depends on the fruit, of course, but many are, and even some fruits and veggies that don't get much respect from nutritionists, such as iceberg lettuce and watermelon (the latter of which SHOULD), are FABULOUS for intracellular hydration and great sources of soluable fiber ta boot.

To recap PT's stance on all this lot:  if you want some fruit, HAVE SOME FRUIT.  Make it a superfood/beneficial variety and don't worry about if you have it alone or with protein or with starch or three hours before sunset or ten minutes after another meal.  Goodness, gracious, great balls of fire, I never thought I'd be saying this because, well, I'm me and usually folks have to say this to me, but:  RELAX.



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Quoted from Peppermint Twist
  Goodness, gracious, great balls of fire, I never thought I'd be saying this because, well, I'm me and usually folks have to say this to me, but:  RELAX.


This whole post is phenomenal, but I really liked this line from you PT...

That said, I think some people have health issues that the sugars in the fruit are making them aware of, that are subdues when they don't eat them...  It may be due to the sugar content of the fruit allowing the body to do more cleaning...  I know this happened to me and the Practitioner had to tell me to just let the body do its work...  Now, as long as I know I am putting good stuff in, I may feel like BLAH! while it cleans and heals.  It may take a long time to clean and heal from many years of avoid eating...  Patience is required, because if you keep starving the body of what it needs to clean, it will never happen and you will always have the same issues!


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Quoted from Goldie
PC thanks and all others to..

I eat exactly:

Meat steaks, roasted thin fried or stewed - lean mostly 2x a day,
how much and have you tried them a bit less cooked?
Fish seldom
you know you should try some fish, try cod once a week to start.
Eggs for breakfast or how many eggs?
how many eggs hopefully just one a day?

Broth and deep green leaves for breakfast
which deep green leaves?
Olive oil.. 1 spoon - not enough.. some mayo every so often (avoid)
what size spoon? stop the mayo for a month
Nutsumpkin seeds or walnuts
how much try a table spoon each time and don't mix them
Beans..Green beans,
no grains (unless I am out very seldom)
Veggies, broccoli, chicory, escarole, kale, ... Kohlrabi Romain, onions cooked only, pumpkin, turnip... zuccini, may add carrots again?  
just to humour me try a slight variation - go less of chicory, kale and cut onions out for a week. and continue with the other ones medium size portions

Fruit: blueberry, pineapple, plum, prunes.  Seldom banana, cherry, figs, guava, mango, avocado
skip all frit for 3 days then stop avacado, pinneapple, plum, prunes, cherry, guava and mango for another week. and tell me how you fell. for one week! keep what fruit is left to a SMALL handfull.

Spices: Sea salt, Fenugreek, Turmeric, Cayenne,  sometimes choc 85%

stop the choc for a week!

Tea: Peppermint Rosehip..
water 6x 8 oz in tea or plain.

spread the water out evenly over a day and have a bit more if you like. skip the peppermint and rose hip tea for a week. do plainold green tea - it's only a week. to see how you fell.
Honestly this is it...

I discovered that I am really not feeling water for liquid.. that is why I choose some other foods.. or fruit..

water is your friend - if you are still thirsty drink more. the carbs are making you thirsty don't blame the water! (oxo)

DOES anyone else have the feeling that water does nothing for thirst?? My brain is wierd that way. I don't really feel thirst .,..  I look for food instead to chew or swallow or whatever..  

NOW I am not learing after some foods.. I eat enough all day.. but I needed to find ways to take away the loss by finding some other thing to satisfy..like anything that would make me feel like I had coffee flavor or creamy stuff.. not with sugar just the familiar texture..

I no longer look for sweet stuff.. (other than when I am out) Small frozen fruit pieces help a lot in portion and amount..

the fruit is obvoilsy not helping you bare with me and try as above for a week and see.

I used to (years ago) eat 8-10 oz a meal, and many walnuts.. and I lost weight when I did that.. but I have cut to be more like 4 oz.. and less nuts more seeds..
I eat enough veggies.. and I do eat some fruit but it is now less of a fight.. much less.. like .5 -1 oz several time a day.. drinking more water does not help..

drink the water before you east say 20 mins if possible. not during or after for an hour or more.

By the way I have been eating like this for years and years.. and am ok with it.. even my friends know I cook only these things for them also.. and serve mostly pineapple or blueberries with cherri juice sauce..  care to come for dinner??  I am imaginative so I don't get bored..

PC I agree maybe not enough oil.. but I dont know how to add it, as I don't like the flavor to much..
You are much more adventuroues with the foods you eat.. I am just not able to go off BTD.. but I like it as listed above.. (I went of to Gatherer foods for a previous year and blew a hole in my sugar issues..I am sure that others do well with it - but for me it did not ) the above Super and Ben BTD suits me well..

i don't go of swami at all by the way. i read page 54 - left a message re that somewhere.

PC did you read page 54?? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,gosh my whole life here.. Hhahaha



We are not bashing fruit per say i'm trying something different which seems to be working for me and my family and maybe a few other- each to their own. it's a trial - and i'm keeping notes and looking at possible consequences. kind regards

By the way Goldie no small feat - well done for leaving the ice cream alone- but time to stop using fruit as a readon to cheat- I want you around here for a long time so work with me here - you have helped enough people time to help your self oxo



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Quoted from ABJoe

This whole post is phenomenal, but I really liked this line from you PT...


Quoted from ABJoe
That said, I think some people have health issues that the sugars in the fruit are making them aware of, that are subdued when they don't eat them...

Fair enough.  ...Dude, I'd write more but I have to get off line now (what else is new?).  Later!



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Okay, A, I just realized that I posted my mini rant in the entire wrong thread (would you believe there is an entire other fruit thread that I thought I was posting in?), and, B, I came back to apologize anyway because who the heck am I to tell people what to think or not think about fruit?  I have been and tend to be the same way about "grains" as a general group:  I'm wary of "them" and tend to have a few "rules" about even my superfood grains. I do enjoy my superfood grains but I only allow myself one grain meal per day because they, as a general group, tend to slow my metabolism. So who am I to lecture you guys about generalizing about all "fruit" or having what I may deem needless rules for fruit ingestion?  One man's needless is another man's very imprtant/crucial for health. So:  I apologize. Don't know what got into me.

It may have been "vegetable protein" and "autolyzed yeast", which; if I'm lucky mean MSG and if I'm not, mean wheat or corn, but I think it's MSG. Long story (well, long by two-thumbed typing standards), but I bought something with "Spike Seasoning" on it and now it has rendered me all toxed up and chastising folks for fruit concerns. SORRY!


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Always interesting lol


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