Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register


Main Forum Page  ♦   Latest Posts  ♦   Member Center  ♦   Search  ♦   Archives   ♦   Help   ♦   Log In/Out   ♦   Admins
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    Live Right 4 Your Type  ›  What is Arthritis?
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 6 Guests

What is Arthritis?  This thread currently has 1,182 views. Print Print Thread
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
balletomane
Sunday, May 23, 2010, 4:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter / Rh+ / Aquarius / INFJ
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,557
Gender: Female
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 42
I have been having pain in my right leg for more than a month due to some old and new injuries from ballet dancing. My physiotherapist said that my fascia and muscles are so tense that toxins are trapped inside and need to be released. Her manual therapy does help but the tightness and pain and accompanying swelling continues. It gets worse during humid and rainy days, which means often! A doctor I saw said this is "wind/wet" according to Chinese medicine (the equivalence of arthritis). But isn't arthritis an auto-immune disease? I'm confused as what I have really got here. I have been mostly compliant to my SWAMI food list and cut out all the inflammatory food such as tomatoes and dairy, except for the two cheese recommended that are supposed to heal my guts.

Would Bromelain help with such persistent muscle problems? I do eat pineapple regularly--is that enough? What else can I do besides physiotherapy?




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message
DenverFoodie
Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:01pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami: GT1 Hunter (50%) Non-Taster
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,477
Gender: Male
Location: Colorado
Although the term arthritis is applied to a wide variety of disorders, arthritis means inflammation of a joint, whether the result of a disease, an infection, a genetic defect, or some other cause.

Where is your pain located?  Be specific please.


Every morning create your day.  If you don't, life will for you!

Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 1 - 20
Chloe
Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:51pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

42% Teacher Rh+ N1, N1b
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,278
Gender: Female
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 71
Muscle pain and tightness of the fascia isn't the same as osteo or rheumatoid arthritis. Not in the way a rheumatologist might see it.  

In Chinese medicine, as you mentioned, there is a blocked energy flow
which causes specific areas to build up a lot of toxins. And "syndromes" are terms the
Asians use in acupuncture and herbal treatment.  Myofascial trigger points are
usually tight, painful and restricted and more closely related to fibromyalgia..

Osteoarthritis is wear and tear of the joints that usually happens with age. It can be in knees,
elbows, fingers, toes, spine, neck..almost anywhere on the body where there are joints...And you can hear joints rubbing together because of over calcification issues where the bone has either worn down or formed knobby spurs.  Often you can hear this crunching sound, called crepitus. Bone fragments can sliver off and cause pain as well. Keeping joints moving and lubricated by eating properly is helpful...but even our pets can wind up with osteoarthritis.

Rheumatoid arthritis is likely auto immune and can be bacterial in origin.  RA
is inflammatory, causing redness and obvious swelling in the joints and often in severe cases,
a lot of distortion and joint stiffness.  Very disabling for some.

You can learn about about Myofascial/trigger points and therapy from this book...Lots of
ways to help yourself as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-.....74643262&sr=8-13

It really takes awhile to break up the adhesions in tight fascia.  Been there and know this
subject a little more than I'd like to.

Proper stretching to elongate tight muscles once the adhesions are released is necessary...Using a foam roller can help relax the tightness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJLxruO3su0

I hope you feel better


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 2 - 20
Cristina
Sunday, May 23, 2010, 8:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SwamiX Explorer A2+; L(a-b+); MN,INFP, T/ R1b-M343
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,550
Gender: Female
Location: Sunny Coast,��QLD, Australia
Age: 63
Gread info there Chloe!!!

Just remember to drink lots of water to wash out those toxins once they are released.  Speedy recovery!!!  




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 3 - 20
Lola
Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,277
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
Rheumatoid arthritis; Scleroderma; Fibromyalgia; Pemphigus; Other Auto-Immune Diseases


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 4 - 20
Possum
Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:03am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Expluntherer... It means I'm an O...;-)
Ee Dan
Posts: 5,403
Gender: Female
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Age: 53
Excellent info Chloe!! Very well explained - that's a keeper for my file
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 5 - 20
Chloe
Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:05am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

42% Teacher Rh+ N1, N1b
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,278
Gender: Female
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 71
I suspect gluten intolerance is behind a lot of this auto-immunity related arthritis....gut damage, then,
toxins leaking from gut into bloodstream.


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 6 - 20
balletomane
Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter / Rh+ / Aquarius / INFJ
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,557
Gender: Female
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 42
Thanks a lot for all your information.

DenverFoodie, my pain is in the back of the knee--there is a restriction in the insertion point of gastrocnemius. Tight fascia throughout proneous brevis and also the muscles to the right of the shin bone.

Chloe,
It seems that my symptoms most closely resemble what you said about tight Myofascial trigger points. Yes, my therapist actually use acupuncture as well as the "spoon  scraping" technique to release those points. Very painful, with bruises afterwards, but feel much better. She also gave me a foam roller but I haven't been using it that much. I have an Acuball which I heat up and press on those trigger points. Pretty neat. Have you ever used one? http://www.acuball.com
Thanks for the book suggestion. Looks very interesting and I might get one for myself.

You mentioned fibromyalgia, but it seems like this is a systemwide disease with no trigger events. In my case, the "trigger event" is my ballet training--most likely the wrong use of technique causing certain muscles to tighten up too much. I do stretching before and after class to elongate the muscles but it seems not enough.

Cristina,
Thanks for the reminder. Yes, water is my friend... and so is the WC, !

Lola,
I don't think I have any of those syndromes you listed. But I'll look them up. Do you think the taking the Bromelain supplement would help, or is it for only mild muscle soreness after exercise?




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 7 - 20
balletomane
Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:38am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter / Rh+ / Aquarius / INFJ
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,557
Gender: Female
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 42
Quoted from Chloe
I suspect gluten intolerance is behind a lot of this auto-immunity related arthritis....gut damage, then,
toxins leaking from gut into bloodstream.


That's really interesting. I am sure my bloodstream had a ton of toxins due to gluten. I stopped consuming gluten about 10 months ago but still have white lines on my fingerprints. Does that mean these toxins might still be there affecting my muscles?




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 8 - 20
Chloe
Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:55am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

42% Teacher Rh+ N1, N1b
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,278
Gender: Female
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 71
Quoted from balletomane


That's really interesting. I am sure my bloodstream had a ton of toxins due to gluten. I stopped consuming gluten about 10 months ago but still have white lines on my fingerprints. Does that mean these toxins might still be there affecting my muscles?


Dr. D says it can take a year or more to get rid of the white lines....so I would say "yes" -- your muscles still are holding onto toxicity because it takes a lot of work to release those tight trigger points in the fascia... And if you still have lectin damage from gluten, it's going to take more time before you see all your white lines disappear.   Deflect was designed to remove lectin damage.  Are you taking it?

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT004O

Also bromelain....good for you!

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP032

But think positively...You will heal....I've made huge progress...but I'm also close to 90-95% compliant.

I see this as a gut problem more than anything...

Eat the right foods, do the right exercises....and you will get better~








"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"

Revision History (1 edits)
Chloe  -  Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:26am
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 9 - 20
TJ
Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:22am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

54% Nomad
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 3,486
Gender: Male
Location: Midvale, UT, USA
Age: 39
If your pineapple is cooked or canned, it doesn't have any bromelain left in it!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 10 - 20
balletomane
Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:37am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter / Rh+ / Aquarius / INFJ
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,557
Gender: Female
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 42
Chloe,

Thanks for the confirmation. Even though I have cut out gluten from my diet for about 10 months, I have only been on BTD for 4 months and have been about 95% compliant in the last month or so since I got my SWAMI. So it definitely is going to take some time. Yes, I'm taking deflect but not bromelain so I'm going to include that in my next order.

TJ,

The pineapple I eat is fresh. I cut it up myself and all the enzymes are intact  




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 11 - 20
Green Root
Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:35pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI / Hunter 50 %-nonGath / Taster / Receptor wv
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 390
Gender: Male
Location: Finland
Age: 31
I recall that the bromelain is mostly in the middle part of pineapple, which is not so easy to eat.

Has someone had bleeding near teeth or in the lips when eating lot of fresh pineapple? I have. Quite intensive/fierce fruit.


He [Jesus] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
(1 John 2:2)
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 12 - 20
balletomane
Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:15pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter / Rh+ / Aquarius / INFJ
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,557
Gender: Female
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 42
Really? I thought the whole pineapple has bromelain? I usually cut the center part away, although when the pineapple is really ripe, I manage to chew the middle part, sometimes spitting out whatever is too fibrous to swallow. No bleeding for me, though, but maybe because the fruit is so ripe, it doesn't "hurt". I have heard many people have trouble with it. Some soak the pineapple in salt water to reduce the effect, but then the enzymes would be washed away.





Revision History (1 edits)
balletomane  -  Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 5:35pm
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 13 - 20
Chloe
Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:56pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

42% Teacher Rh+ N1, N1b
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,278
Gender: Female
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 71
Quoted from Green Root
I recall that the bromelain is mostly in the middle part of pineapple, which is not so easy to eat.

Has someone had bleeding near teeth or in the lips when eating lot of fresh pineapple? I have. Quite intensive/fierce fruit.


Eating an under-ripe pineapple might be the problem.  If not ripe, it's acidic.

http://www.healthy.net/scr/MMedica.aspx?Id=125

And FYI, regarding pain -- add ginger to your diet.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/189359.php



"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"

Revision History (1 edits)
Chloe  -  Monday, May 24, 2010, 7:06pm
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 14 - 20
Lola
Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:04pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,277
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
balance is key......


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 15 - 20
grey rabbit
Thursday, May 27, 2010, 11:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

swamix 47% Teacher-INFP
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 3,303
Gender: Female
Location: Seattle
Age: 58
I love the middle part of the pineapple! So good to know it's good for me .

I found this page interesting, don't know if it will help or not, http://www.somatics.com/TFL.htm


“Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It’s perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we’ve learned something from yesterday.”

John Wayne's last words
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 16 - 20
Chloe
Friday, May 28, 2010, 12:12am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

42% Teacher Rh+ N1, N1b
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,278
Gender: Female
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 71
Quoted from balletomane


I have an Acuball which I heat up and press on those trigger points. Pretty neat. Have you ever used one? http://www.acuball.com


No, don't have one....but after following your link, I want one~  Thanks

PS. just ordered the large acuball...realized I already own a mini version of this system.
And youtube has a bunch of short videos showing how to use it.  So I didn't have to bother
ordering a DVD or a book. Saved $35.00!



"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"

Revision History (1 edits)
Chloe  -  Friday, May 28, 2010, 12:33am
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 17 - 20
balletomane
Friday, May 28, 2010, 12:59am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter / Rh+ / Aquarius / INFJ
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,557
Gender: Female
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 42
Great, Choloe. Have a ball I have been using it and found more and more sore trigger points.

I also realized that I have some BioMagnets in my drawer that I totally forgot about. Took them out and put them on my sore spots all day and all night long. Miraculously my pain has gone by more than 50% in one day!




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 18 - 20
tnahowru
Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:01am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

O+, GT1 Hunter, Super Taster, Non-Secretor
Summer: Realization, expansion.
Posts: 65
Gender: Female
Location: San Diego, CA
Age: 58
Possum, Hi - you said you are going to keep a post, how does one do that?

Thank you.


Tina
O+, 38% GT1  
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 19 - 20
Lola
Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:22am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,277
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
copy paste in a file, or add to favorites, depending what it is you want to keep


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 20 - 20
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    Live Right 4 Your Type  ›  What is Arthritis?

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread