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PCUK-Positive
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Hello again - I'm on about Clothes today.

Now that we have sorted the food side of things for Emily Bar a few experiments.

I have found that the clothes side of things is a bit of an issue. This may have made us think that some foods that may have been okay were actually not.

The labels are an issue, but also the thread that is used is at the bottom of the sleeves and around the waist and around the ankles on trousers creating an itch.

Cotton seems to be fine, Going to start buying long sleeve tin T shirts that she can wear beneath her clothes.

Please let me know what MATERIALL YOU "O'S" can and cannot wear and any tips for my four year old.


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I have an O type daughter a you can see
  and she can ONLY wear natural materials
Cotton, wool( only organic untreated), linned(flax), silk , bamboo and maybe viscose- anything with high levels of polyester makes her itch
Its an awfull trouble now that she is a teen and wants to wear all the cheap clothes other teens wear.
She now can handle a little nylon and polyester in bras and leggings- but she still prefers natural products.
We also need to watch our detergent/soaps
I use Bio D http://www.biodegradable.biz/products.html
a lot or another danish product without perfumes.


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Gatherer Rh+, NN, (lewis a+ b-) [Duffy Fy(a+b+) ]
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Thanks for that, very helpful

I, or should I say my partner uses Surcare http://www.surcare.co.uk/ but only the products that don't have citric acid it them. so just powders really. but changing from ordinary washing powder made a big difference.

Interesting you say wool (Only organic untreated) where do you get that - Emily went mad when we tries a woollen jumper on her - she was couldn't get it off her quickly enough and started screaming that it was trying to electrocute her - tuned out it had poly something in it as well though, must be the static charge or something that causes the problem, something else for me to look into lol.


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Actually Hen, just noticed your product has citric acid in it, they usually do if they are a liquid, we found that the lack of citric acid made a big difference, it is usually made from corn apparently and is a mould of some sort, we found out later. Try surcare sometime, it’s a small packet, might be good for you too.


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I think this is a nonnie thing?


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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yes to the Nonnie thing - for sure- i just winder WHY? there must be a good reason.


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More correct I use the wahing powder - I don´t think it has citric acid- but it doesn´t bother me.
I know several kids that can´t handle super wash wool- but can handle organic untreated wool.
BUT some still cant.

Emma can handle this silk /merino blend
http://www.cambridgebaby.co.uk.....ege1q3b7aninui6vcmt7

look here for more shops

http://www.alotoforganics.co.uk/cats/clothes.php

My mum knit her a jumper in organic untreated wool.


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try clothes made from hemp...they last forever...this is why hemp growing in the states is banned (has nothing to do with marijuana laws)...it would destroy the cotton industry...usually found online...just google hemp clothes...oh and no pesticides are ever needed to grow hemp


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It might not be material.  I have dermatographism which is a condition where pressure or temp changes causes uticaria or whelts and hives.  If you put an ice cube on my arm I will have hives from it or when I go out into the cold I am covered in hives.  Elastic waste bands, sitting on my hands, tight cuffs...all make hives.  My bra...you name it.  It isn't the material. I dont' know if this is the issue but you might want to think about it.  I always thought it was material until an allergist told me what it was.
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I've always preferred natural fiber clothes. I have worn some poly/cotton blends in the past, and it varies widely how much it bugs me. When I was a vain teenager I wore what was fashionable for school then changed into cotton pajamas when I got home. At all other times in my life, I only wore what was comfortable.

Nylon doesn't seem to be as problematic as polyester. I don't particularly like nylon by itself, but I don't mind it blended with wool, cotton, or rayon. I only wear synthetic bras because cotton ones don't provide enough support. I can handle synthetic blends in a skirt or a sweater (worn over a cotton t-shirt or blouse) but anything that touches a lot of my skin directly needs to be natural.

Except for this one blouse with Tigger on it. It's my least comfortable shirt, but it's too cool to not wear. But if I get sweaty while wearing it, I'll need to change it sooner than a cotton shirt.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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dermatographism that's a new one for me to look into I think I’m become a Munchausen by proxy lol.

With Emily it's certainly could be a pressure thing put only seems to be with certain and usually not 100 cotton items like labels and stitching so maybe there is a form of dermatographism that is only affected by synthetics or vice versa.

all this talk of bra's is making me hot lol


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Labels and stitching bother my kids too, but I think it is more to do with the texture of them then an actual allergy. They can be very sharp and poke and scratch until they drive you crazy.

Dressing a young nonnie child can be a challenge. My girls would only wear cotton knits for many years. Many tears were shed before I figured out what they would happily wear (not much, ha!). They have branched out slightly now that they are nearly 16, but comfort is still the #1 consideration with any garment. The fabrics have to be soft, no lace trims, nothing too tight, smooth seams (especially in socks) and all tags removed. Shopping is still a major chore. I always look for natural fibers (synthetics are uncomfortable to me as well) and use unscented detergents and no smelly fabric softeners  

I bet most nudists are nonnies  

As for wool, cashmere is the only wool that I can comfortably wear next to my skin. It is very soft.



Rh-, ISFP, Super Taster, Non-Secretor 52% SWAMI-XP'd Explorer.

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I try to stick to cotton as much as possible, the really soft kind.  Wool make me break out in eczema.  Anything binding or tight in the slightest makes me sweat and itch so the less there is and the looser it is, the better.  Even socks bug me and sometimes I have to wear them insideout to keep the seam from bugging my toes.  I usually go barefoot and wear loose capris and t-shirts from fall through spring.  And I make sure the clothes I buy are not stitched with that thread that's like fine fishing line...it's way too pokey!

I think one of the best inventions ever was the stamped in t-shirt tag and the worst was when they started adding 5% spandex to my cotton t-shirts  




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Quoted from PCUK-Positive
dermatographism that's a new one for me to look into I think I’m become a Munchausen by proxy lol.

With Emily it's certainly could be a pressure thing put only seems to be with certain and usually not 100 cotton items like labels and stitching so maybe there is a form of dermatographism that is only affected by synthetics or vice versa.

all this talk of bra's is making me hot lol


Well, it is true you can go really overboard with every little reaction your child has and live your life around it and have people think you are a nut.  YOu don't want your child focused on what is wrong with her but rather what is right.

I am a nonnie and have a long history of weird reactions since I was a baby.  My siblings thought I was weak and other kids made fun of me for always being "sick".  As I grew I looked for answers and names for all these things.  Sure, I found some and others were a mystery...now I know it was food issues and nonnie issues.  However, in the end fixing these issues was not really necessary but rather learning that they were my normal so to speak.  I do what I can to limit toxins for myself in the form of food and stress and then just move on.  These weird nonnie things used to be what made me different now I think what makes me different is my outlook and my work...I'm much prouder of that.

Dermatographism is a mast cell wall weakness issue that has little to do with the type of substance rather just pressure or temperature change.  So perhaps she is allergic to the actual fabric.  Also, perhaps all of this is temporary and her body will "toughen up" once she is on a regular diet of things that aren't allergens for her.  My best to dear Emily.
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I've discovered the joys of wearing silk;  the garment that is closest to the skin, such as undershirt and leggings.  Very tremendously wonderful!



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i have had some probs with some detergents.
i use method now here are the engredents but they are all greek to me.
water,sodium laureth sulfate,coconut oil,ethoxylate and glycerin,sodium citrate,oleic acid and glyceryl oleate, sodium hydroxide, sodium borate, amylase,cellulase and protease, calcium chloride, essentoils ans and botanical exstracts*,less than 0.05 presevative(details online)
*lavender, lavadin,eucalptus,pine, and linalool
i happen to love the soothing smell of this but they also make a sent free verson.


nothing to do? who has that!?
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sodium laureth sulfate


many are allergic to this


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Two of my children and I have this problem with clothes as well.  My son (5) always pulls on the collars of his shirts and says he can't breathe (they're not tight).  My daughter (7) refuses to wear turtlenecks, turns her socks inside out, straps her shoes "just right", won't wear underwear with lace, often wants the tags cut out of her shirts.....etc.  I'm sensitive to tight clothing especially around my waist or neck.  Even elastic annoys me.  I like skirts cut on the bias so they "give" without having to have elastic.  It takes me forever to get a pair of shoes that really fit.  New Balance seems to do the trick most of the time.  And they have to be wide across the toe and tight across the arch.  

Yes, these are non-secretor traits.  My children have improved with diet and understanding (on my part, in helping them choose or reject clothes), but I believe they will always be sensitive.

Ugh.  And don't get me started about bras!!!  My back often feels like I have ants crawling on it.  It itches under the band area right in the center of my back and about two inches in either directions, especially for a while after I remove it.


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Learn to spin!! Usually it is the processing that wool goes through that is the problem with wool. If you look at wool under a microscope it has scales, kinda like a fish has. When wool is treated to be "washable" or otherwise processed by manufacturers the scouring agents used make the "scales" pop open, so microscopically you're looking at something that is pretty rough. Also the micron count of wools varies from breed to breed, merino is pretty soft. Alpaca is softer (not really wool, we call it fiber) the fiber from goats, cashmere, also has a low micron count. I used to raise angora rabbits (no rabbits were ever harmed in the collection of their fiber!) and it has an even lower micron count and the "fish scales" are long and smooth, making it a very luxurious fiber. My new favorite fiber is TENCEL, a cellulose fiber from trees, very enviro friendly and very hypo-alergenic.  


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I was just refered to these people Helen And Nick

cambridgebaby.co.uk

they sell merino stuff and are increasing theor line in the next 6 months for older childeren and adults, nice people too.


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I just found out that Emily's Nursery Polo Shirt, although majorly expensive, with nursery logo on etc, is a miserable 35% Cotton and 65 % Polyester - binned and bought 100 % cotton this afternoon for her so I await the improvement - It's one discovery after another.

Also confirmed that her Swab test indicates she is indeed a Non Secretor


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one less mystery solved!


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My mom tells me that when I was little it was very hard shopping for clothes. I'd always tell her that the clothes "hurt" me. She thought I was just being a fashion diva but it turns out that the only material I can wear comfortably is cotton. I'm also going to try Mikeo's Hemp idea.
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I just found out that Emily's Nursery Polo Shirt, although majorly expensive, with nursery logo on etc, is a miserable 35% Cotton and 65 % Polyester - binned and bought 100 % cotton this afternoon for her so I await the improvement - It's one discovery after another.

Also confirmed that her Swab test indicates she is indeed a Non Secretor
Great that you have found that out!! Hmmm wondering could you have sold it on a trade me site or at the school?

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Interesting that cotton is coming up trumps for everyone despite all the pesticides etc that are sprayed on the crops
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