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DenverFoodie
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I was wondering if anyone has had issues with contamination while collecting a sample for their secretor test.  I have heard bleeding gums potentially will give a false reading.  Are there any other caveats one should be aware of before collecting a sample?


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I did mine by blood test in the doc office.. the lewis antigen test I think it's called ..


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I did mine using blood test using Dr D agents in the UK.

But sent Emily’s off to the usa via swab test - still haven't heard anything regarding hers but they did warn me it could take several years! lol

It was only after doing the test for her that I thought about the contamination of bleeding gums – sounds like a bad idea doing swab if your teeth bleed.

But Emily is so young that she should be fine.


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... I have heard bleeding gums potentially will give a false reading...


So, is this true? Could a non-secretor with gingivitus be falsly diagnosed as a secretor? How much does the blood test version cost?



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call or contact
serotyping panel from swcnm phoenix
Contact Southwest Naturopathic Medical Clinic
in Scottsdale, AZ.  480-970-0000
SWCNM
http://www.scnm.edu/medcenter/laboratory.php


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You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

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Quoted from Lola
...You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name...


I'm interested in the answer to my question and not what helps others with what might allegedly help me, especially since my blood type has nothing to do with my question on the secretor status saliva test errors as that applies to all blood types. If I ever have a question that my blood type could be critical in getting an answer then at that time I will consider providing blood type information in that thread only.

Meanwhile back to the question: So, you're telling me to call or contact the serotyping panel from Southwest Naturopathic Medical Clinic in Scottsdale, AZ at 480-970-0000 (I don't have any long distance phone service nor do I have a cell phone... so I guess I should instead try to contact them at http://www.scnm.edu/medcenter/laboratory.php) and ask them this secretor status saliva test error question? Or just to find out what the blood test costs?



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So, is this true? Could a non-secretor with gingivitus be falsly diagnosed as a secretor? How much does the blood test version cost?



If the gums bleed during the saliva secretion, there will be type information in the saliva.  Since there is type information in the saliva, it would indicate secretor status - even though the type material was from the bleeding rather than a secretion from the salivary glands.


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If the gums bleed during the saliva secretion, there will be {assume you mean non-secretor or secretor} type information in the saliva.  Since there is {again assume you mean non-secretor or secretor} type information in the saliva, it would indicate secretor status {does this mean the status would be "secretor" regardless if the individual is non-secretor - i.e. an 'error' since blood contaminated the saliva? or do you mean that the indication could be either secretor or non secretor and the presence of blood has nothing to do with determining status?} - even though the type material was from the bleeding rather than a secretion from the salivary glands.


I'm just getting confused  



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I'm just getting confused  



Is there something in my post that was confusing?


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the gingivitus be falsly diagnosed as a secretor
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glad you have no other questions.....
this particular one you are asking is best answered by the lab technician performing the test, don t you agree?

my invite is standard procedure
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Save the Major some time and money and his Valium, he sounds like a Nonnie to me and i'd guess he was a+ b- and drinking way too much coffee and sugar and the fact that his teeth bleed from frowning all the time lol but there is hope for you Major - this stuff does work.

The procedure for swab test for secretor status is quite explicit about rinsing gums etc you have to go through a few rinses before giving sample so that might be why. but the blood test seems to work and is easy so why not just do that it's £30 odd pounds and a tiny sample of blood in the uk


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The procedure for swab test for secretor status is quite explicit about rinsing gums etc you have to go through a few rinses before giving sample so that might be why. but the blood test seems to work and is easy so why not just do that it's £30 odd pounds and a tiny sample of blood in the uk


First to the 'answer': Soooo, evidentally blood from gums CAN cause an error in the results... probably why I've read so much on this board about the saliva test being so wishy-washy! £30... let's see that would be about US$30?

Then on to the insults: I have never taken Valium, "he" - are you sure Major is a male? could just be rank... (probably think I'm white too) your guess of a+ b- seems to answer the whole issue so why take the secretor test at all... I don't do sugar, and my coffee is decaf. btw - teeth don't bleed - gums do, probably everybody's who is over 60 at least do just a little bit or at least enough to contaminate the test ~ as far as frowning all the time, that's only done when I think of the cowardly act of 1812.  And finally, there's always hope - and I never questioned whether this stuff works, and it's not very nice of you to assume I didn't... just asking questions about these tests


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Is there something in my post that was confusing?


just does this mean the status would be "secretor" regardless if the individual is non-secretor - i.e. an 'error' since blood contaminated the saliva? or do you mean that the indication could be either secretor or non secretor and the presence of blood has nothing to do with determining status?


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First to the 'answer': Soooo, evidentally blood from gums CAN cause an error in the results... probably why I've read so much on this board about the saliva test being so wishy-washy! £30... let's see that would be about US$30?



Straight currency conversions
£30 is roughly US$45


Cost of blood test in US will vary considerably.





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I'm interested in the answer to my question and not what helps others with what might allegedly help me, especially since my blood type has nothing to do with my question on the secretor status saliva test errors as that applies to all blood types. If I ever have a question that my blood type could be critical in getting an answer then at that time I will consider providing blood type information in that thread only.




Everything here is about knowing each others blood type or genotype.
It enables us to get to know you and your individual needs.
I guess the blood sero-panel would be the best way for you to get your individual results.





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we are all mother s kids!! lol


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That's true but sometimes I wonder!  lol


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just does this mean the status would be "secretor" regardless if the individual is non-secretor - i.e. an 'error' since blood contaminated the saliva? or do you mean that the indication could be either secretor or non secretor and the presence of blood has nothing to do with determining status?

If there is blood in the saliva used for the test, there will be blood type information there, so the test would indicate Secretor.

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If there is blood in the saliva used for the test, there will be blood type information there, so the test would indicate Secretor.


So then I gather you mean the status derrived form the saliva test could indeed be indicated as "secretor" regardless if the individual may really be a non-secretor simply because blood contaminated the saliva sample, yes? Guess we older ones should stick to the blood test to avoid wasting the little money we get from social security on the flakier saliva test...

(and thanks for the most straight forward answer I've gotten so far, well except for the currency conversion answer - most of the 'answers' from others seem to have socialist tendencies and/or a 'sense of humor' too abstract for an old fart like me)

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