After interviewing a few local Dr's of internal medicine I finally found one affiliated with Emory here in Atlanta. She was interested in the BTD and open to working with me the way I want her to. Although she didn't know what a Lewis or MN blood group was she agreed to research them and she if she could facilitate them for me. She agreed to do all the blood tests I asked for with no 3rd degree! I had my annual physical this morning. The EKG was fine, and the blood tests should be back Monday.

She was fine with me getting off my Nexium but wanted to see what my cholesterol results were before we discussed getting of Lipitor. Then we will tackle the Paxil...

Oh she also said over the counter niacin was toxic to the liver, is this so? If so I could get a pharmaceutical grade from her...

As some of you know I have not been 100% for a few weeks so she gave me an antibiotic.

Will this kill my probiotics?
Should I wait until I finish the antibiotics then resume the probiotics..?
Are there issues with other herbs I should be careful of taking at the same time?

I must also admit she was quite attractive so I got excited when she told me to take my clothes off But then I found out what she wanted to do and it wasn't exactly my fantasy

Thanks!

PS: Oh I also lost another two pounds

Nooo not antibiotics...IMO they are often over prescribed & the population is becoming resistant to them anyway...so do little good & some damage...
Yes they will kill all bacteria in your system (they can't differeniate) What we tell people at work is to get a good probiotic & take them together but if you can't for some reason then yes take immediately you finish...
"she also said over the counter niacin was toxic to the liver, is this so? If so I could get a pharmaceutical grade from her..." How can vitamin B3 be toxic to the liver??!! Unlesss she means "over the counter" man made?? & the thing is, you should always take your B vitamins balanced & together...B vitamins are great for balancing mood, healing...& a whole lot more...
Will have to research as I don't know why this is said, but its in yeast extract spreads... I doubt pharma grade would be wonderful - you are always better off with a supplement from food & next best is organic one from actual food not synthesized material...& liquid if you can get it...(most easily absorbed into your body) You may want to try for a pick me up tonic with extra B vitamins in it...if you can get it?!
Sorry I can't quite recall what you said was the problem? Is it just generally being run down or more?

Quoted from Possum

Nooo not antibiotics...IMO they are often over prescribed & the population is becoming resistant to them anyway...so do little good & some damage...
Yes they will kill all bacteria in your system (they can't differeniate) What we tell people at work is to get a good probiotic & take them together but if you can't for some reason then yes take immediately you finish...
"she also said over the counter niacin was toxic to the liver, is this so? If so I could get a pharmaceutical grade from her..." How can vitamin B3 be toxic to the liver??!! Only thing is you should always take your B vitamins balanced & together...
Will have to research as I don't know why this is said, but its in yeast extract spreads... I doubt pharma grade would be wonderful - you are always better off with a supplement from food & next best is organic one from actual food not synthesized material...& liquid if you can get it...(most easily absorbed into your body) You may want to try for a pick me up tonic with extra B vitamins in it...if you can get it?!
Sorry I can't quite recall what you said was the problem? Is it just generally being run down or more?

I'm taking NAP probiotics now and in this case will continue. I'm taking niacin to get ready to get off Lipitor. it's from GNC and says Niacin (as Inositol Nicotinate) - is this ok

I'm not experienced enough to comment really but straight from info@vitasentials.com
"Inositol nicotinate is superior to niacin in its ability to lower cholesterol without the degree of flushing...."
"The use of niacin in large doses (3-9 grams per day) is an effective and widely used technique for control of blood lipids. Along with bile acid-binding resins and other drugs, it has been a "first-line" medical approach to blood cholesterol and triglyceride control for years.(3,4) Such large doses of niacin reduce blood cholesterol from 10-30% or more, with sometimes dramatic effects on triglycerides, (5,6) Niacin can also inhibit hepatic cholesterol synthesis at the same time it promotes cholesterol catabolism and excretion, specifically for the LDL cholesterols.3,4) By virtue of these actions, niacin raises the HDL/LDL + VLDL (high, Iow, and very low-density lipoprotein) cholesterol ratio - a very desirable change for reducing the risk of cardiovascular disease.

Niacin, in addition to its role in lipid management, stimulates the release of the vasodilator and platelet anti-aggregant, prostacyclin. This action enhances peripheral circulation and may help prevent thrombosis.

Unfortunately, however, ordinary niacin at these levels always causes intense and unpleasant flushing for 30-60 minutes after it is given - a common cause of compliance problems with this therapy. High dose niacin also may cause Gl disturbances such as dyspepsia and diarrhea, and may in select individuals cause more serious side effects such as liver or gall bladder abnormalities, glucose intolerance, hyper-uricemia (gout), or peptic ulceration.  These problems have limited the utilization of this otherwise effective treatment."

This came at the right time.

I had my hyscial yesterday, all was fine, I had the same thing, she told me to drop my pants, yes I am sure we had the same thing.

She was un happy with me, there was nothing wrong and she could not sell me any drugs.

She said I was a good sample of a health person.

I told her it is all in eating the right foods, she said see you next year.

Quoted from Possum

I'm not experienced enough to comment really but straight from info@vitasentials.com
"Inositol nicotinate is superior to niacin in its ability to lower cholesterol without the degree of flushing...."
"The use of niacin in large doses (3-9 grams per day) is an effective and widely used technique for control of blood lipids. Along with bile acid-binding resins and other drugs, it has been a "first-line" medical approach to blood cholesterol and triglyceride control for years.(3,4) Such large doses of niacin reduce blood cholesterol from 10-30% or more, with sometimes dramatic effects on triglycerides, (5,6) Niacin can also inhibit hepatic cholesterol synthesis at the same time it promotes cholesterol catabolism and excretion, specifically for the LDL cholesterols.3,4) By virtue of these actions, niacin raises the HDL/LDL + VLDL (high, Iow, and very low-density lipoprotein) cholesterol ratio - a very desirable change for reducing the risk of cardiovascular disease.

Niacin, in addition to its role in lipid management, stimulates the release of the vasodilator and platelet anti-aggregant, prostacyclin. This action enhances peripheral circulation and may help prevent thrombosis.

Unfortunately, however, ordinary niacin at these levels always causes intense and unpleasant flushing for 30-60 minutes after it is given - a common cause of compliance problems with this therapy. High dose niacin also may cause Gl disturbances such as dyspepsia and diarrhea, and may in select individuals cause more serious side effects such as liver or gall bladder abnormalities, glucose intolerance, hyper-uricemia (gout), or peptic ulceration.  These problems have limited the utilization of this otherwise effective treatment."

VERY interesting, thanks Possum! The guy at GNC said to not take over 1700 units per day. I'm taking 1500...

Quoted from LarryC.

This came at the right time.

I had my hyscial yesterday, all was fine, I had the same thing, she told me to drop my pants, yes I am sure we had the same thing.

She was un happy with me, there was nothing wrong and she could not sell me any drugs.

She said I was a good sample of a health person.

I told her it is all in eating the right foods, she said see you next year.

Outstanding, congrats for the good report! And as far as a bonus, there is always next year

You guys!! Honestly And as far as a bonus, there is always next year That is the word bonus isn't it? You could change the ending slightly & I'd say you both had it already??

Btw found this too...
"Niacin is an important B vitamin for preventing cancer, diabetes, and for treating high cholesterol. Inositol helps niacin perform its functions more effectively."
Dosage sounds good as - "Full effects of inositol on the body are not known, so high dosages are not yet recommended."

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You guys!! Honestly Btw found this too...
"Niacin is an important B vitamin for preventing cancer, diabetes, and for treating high cholesterol. Inositol helps niacin perform its functions more effectively."

Whoo Hoo ~ look at me go

"Ya want one"? ( Elvis )

Ha ha check my edit above... you posted at the same time as I was editing

Quoted from Possum

Ha ha check my edit above... you posted at the same time as I was editing

Well that's one way to look at it but not exatly what was going through my mind

I always amp up on the probiotics on the rare occasions I end up on antibiotics...always the result of not avoiding milk  ...but then, I'm a girly and we always have more issues to keep track of when taking those bug killers.  I pop a capsule every couple of hours just to keep the nasties away.

When my son had half a dozen strep infections one year (before we had his tonsils removed) the antibiotics really, really messed him up.  It took severeal months of him munching on probiotics tablets throughout the day to finally get him back to normal.  And, of course, the doctor said nothing was wrong with him  

Plucky - glad you got it sorted...
Hmmm... It appears that some Dr's can bamboozle you with "science" & short skirts it seems...(in above case )

Quoted from Plucky

I always amp up on the probiotics on the rare occasions I end up on antibiotics...always the result of not avoiding milk  ...but then, I'm a girly and we always have more issues to keep track of when taking those bug killers.  I pop a capsule every couple of hours just to keep the nasties away.

When my son had half a dozen strep infections one year (before we had his tonsils removed) the antibiotics really, really messed him up.  It took severeal months of him munching on probiotics tablets throughout the day to finally get him back to normal.  And, of course, the doctor said nothing was wrong with him  

Thanks Plucky, I will keep them going down!

Golf - my Doctor always has me double probiotics if I have to go on antibiotics

Golf, antibiotics are effective against bacterial infections, but are useless against viruses.  

Glad you got a good Dr. who will treat your choices with respect!  That's worth a lot!  

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT006O
contains inositol

Golf......get off the Lipitor!!!  Poison, Poison!!  The side effects are nasty - muscle and joint aches, weakness.  May day - may day!  We told you before - get some Krill Oil and take care of yourself naturally.  And follow your Hunter diet, of course  

Another thought to stir the pot (and it WILL) is that I currently have a bladder infection.  Went to my chiropractor, who practices DNFT (directional non-force technique) and does not "crack".  He did specific checking on my spine to the bladder area and it was out of alignment.  A little correction, and four hours later I feel better already...

Let the contradictory, horrified...or...maybe some "yep I get it" comments begin.......

Yep I get it!! I also get being controversial to stir the pot  

- I know you do~!  Gotta keep open-mindedness in the forefront.  After all - that's what led us all "here"  

Gz niacin never ever is toxic... but merely up from a certain amount; it might create flashes... and it's used also against shizophrenia in highest amounts...

btw thanx for the laughter about your fantasies ....
if you take enough from all the B-vits you wont' need any lipitor.... this is for sure... to cut off nexium... fine too... but the very best is paxil... man(n) i don't think you reaööy needed it btw... ther's something interesting to read here :www.prozactruth.com   this is an organisation which helps troubled peeps to tapper off all kind of such drugs and they explain expressis verbis what's about the true issues about SSRI's and other drugs..... ...

And if you are obliged to go for such remedies called *anti-biotics* so far and well I'd like to see you in taking *pro-biotics* ..... of course not after the treatment but during intake of junk ...

and what else ... ok wish you a quick recovery, my sneezing is nearly gone...
monday up to the exploring hunt for some fresh mountaintea....

Quoted from Rennie

Went to my chiropractor, who practices DNFT (directional non-force technique) and does not "crack".

From my experience, the DNFT chiro is more in tune with the body.  I like this better, even though for me it is somewhat more expensive to go to the DNFT...

My DNFT chiro is $40/visit.  Most insurances cover chiro now so I don't know what your situation is.  Mine is that I'm poor.  However, I go as often as I can as it's a priority for me.  He also does "muscle testing" and other really cool stuff that's totally in tune with what your body says to him.  I've held different vitamins, meds, foods in my hand while he muscle tests and my body tells what it likes and doesn't    

Quoted from Plucky

I'm a girly and we always have more issues

Finally, the admission that I have been waiting for!  

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Plucky - glad you got it sorted...
Hmmm... It appears that some Dr's can bamboozle you with "science" & short skirts it seems...(in above case  )

Yes the "Scientist" who has great hair, is about 23 years old, and has a short lab coat.  It's been done before.

Perhaps the gentlemen where merely hoping for a back rub.  Save 'em forty while at the physical.

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Yes the "Scientist" who has great hair, is about 23 years old, and has a short lab coat.  It's been done before.

Perhaps the gentlemen where merely hoping for a back rub.  Save 'em forty while at the physical.

Quoted from Victoria

Golf, antibiotics are effective against bacterial infections, but are useless against viruses.  

Glad you got a good Dr. who will treat your choices with respect!  That's worth a lot!  

It really is V, I feel so much better this morning. I have not been able to sleep laying down in bed for over a week due to the cough... Last night was the first night I actually slept in bed this whole time. Only one more day on the anti's and I have doulbled my Polyflora. Nice to feel human again

Quoted from Lola

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT006O
contains inositol

Indeed Lola, I've been on them since my transition to the BTD lifestyle

Quoted from Rennie

Golf......get off the Lipitor!!!  Poison, Poison!!  The side effects are nasty - muscle and joint aches, weakness.  May day - may day!  We told you before - get some Krill Oil and take care of yourself naturally.  And follow your Hunter diet, of course  

Another thought to stir the pot (and it WILL) is that I currently have a bladder infection.  Went to my chiropractor, who practices DNFT (directional non-force technique) and does not "crack".  He did specific checking on my spine to the bladder area and it was out of alignment.  A little correction, and four hours later I feel better already...

Let the contradictory, horrified...or...maybe some "yep I get it" comments begin.......

I'm a big believer in chiro but am not familiar with DNFT I will be off lipitor this week, just waiting for my chemistry results to see how agressive I need to be with the natural alternatives. Where does one get Krill Oil and what is it's source

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Gz niacin never ever is toxic... but merely up from a certain amount; it might create flashes... and it's used also against shizophrenia in highest amounts...

btw thanx for the laughter about your fantasies ....
if you take enough from all the B-vits you wont' need any lipitor.... this is for sure... to cut off nexium... fine too... but the very best is paxil... man(n) i don't think you reaööy needed it btw... ther's something interesting to read here :www.prozactruth.com   this is an organisation which helps troubled peeps to tapper off all kind of such drugs and they explain expressis verbis what's about the true issues about SSRI's and other drugs..... ...

And if you are obliged to go for such remedies called *anti-biotics* so far and well I'd like to see you in taking *pro-biotics* ..... of course not after the treatment but during intake of junk ...

and what else ... ok wish you a quick recovery, my sneezing is nearly gone...
monday up to the exploring hunt for some fresh mountaintea....

Thanks Isa, hope you had a great weekend! I will read the website you provide this evening. I have already stopped taking Nexium and am taking NAP's Gastro D. Lipitor will cease this weekend and then I will tackle the Paxil...

Hope you are 100% real soon

Many blessings for your continued healing, Golf!  The transitions are always the worst in my opinion.  You are smack in the middle of a big dietary, supplement, lifestyle transition, so patience is going to be an asset.     Do you have lots of patience?  

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Many blessings for your continued healing, Golf!  The transitions are always the worst in my opinion.  You are smack in the middle of a big dietary, supplement, lifestyle transition, so patience is going to be an asset.     Do you have lots of patience?  

Thank you so much V! As an individual I am someone who likes to effect change and see results, be it in my personal of professional life. However I am committed to achieving great healthier and getting off these meds!

I have been on NAPS Gastro D Complex and I stopped taking the Nexium week before last. So there is one down with no issues of yet... This week is the Lipitor, I do however want to see the results of my blood chemistry to gain an understanding of how aggressive I will need to supplement with natural remedies. Then I will tackle the Paxil

I have a feeling that your digestive issues will greatly improve without the need for chemical help, just by eating foods that are compatible with your own body.  I'm pulling for you, my friend.

When will you know what your lipid panel is?

Quoted from Victoria

I have a feeling that your digestive issues will greatly improve without the need for chemical help, just by eating foods that are compatible with your own body.  I'm pulling for you, my friend.

When will you know what your lipid panel is?

I had my blood drawn last Friday consequently I will know this weekbut they said it might take a couple of extra days due to the extra tests I requested. I am anxious to see the results but am trying to be patient

Let us know.  I'm sure you'll have lots of noses poking around your lab results!  

Quoted from Victoria

Let us know.  I'm sure you'll have lots of noses poking around your lab results!  

Oh, will do. And I would be thrilled with any input! I wish they would email them but due to privacy, blah, blah, blah................

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I'm a big believer in chiro but am not familiar with DNFT I will be off lipitor this week, just waiting for my chemistry results to see how agressive I need to be with the natural alternatives. Where does one get Krill Oil and what is it's source

Umm krill!! Seriously its those tiny fish that whales feed on... But watch you get a brand that doesn't sneak in some fish oils as well...Which are fine but if you are paying for krill (its way more expensive ) you wanna get krill...
The great thing about this as a source for omega 3 & 6, is that it is a lot purer being the first link in the food chain rather than much further down the line...
Glad you are getting to the stage where you are feeling better!!

Quoted from Possum

Umm krill!! Seriously its those tiny fish that whales feed on... But watch you get a brand that doesn't sneak in some fish oils as well...Which are fine but if you are paying for krill (its way more expensive ) you wanna get krill...
The great thing about this as a source for omega 3 & 6, is that it is a lot purer being the first link in the food chain rather than much further down the line...
Glad you are getting to the stage where you are feeling better!!

Thanks Possum, hope you had a great weekend!

Thanks!! And you??!!
Yeah I did - went to the ACDC concert.... This coming weekend its the 7's (soccer) so we are in party mode...
Not that I drink at all or indulge in non complaint food, but there was some nice lamb & salad there which I hadn't had to prepare...& we were both good at avoiding the tempting looking desserts....
I always say to myself "5 minutes on your lips; the rest of the time on your hips" However I also know that it will most likely end up on my face!!

I get my Krill Oil from - GASP! - Mercola.com.  Mercola is not a good word around here (check out another thread on him), but his Krill is quality and it does a great job in lowering cholesterol....has mine, anyway    Krill Oil has been proven to be a better source of the omega's than "fish oil" as well as not have a heavy or "repeat" fishy taste.  It's cold-pressed and mercury free (important!).  

My chiro did a patient test with willing participants....gave them Krill for one month and then had them recheck their cholesterol.  Amazing results and those on Lipitor went off and never had a problem as long as they stayed on the Krill.  

Good luck, Golf~!

Great info Ta!!

and again!
to each BT/GT their own type of oil supplement.

the GT sups differentiate each beautifully.

not to mention his proprietary blend used in exakta and the multis

Quoted from Possum

Thanks!! And you??!!
Yeah I did - went to the ACDC concert.... This coming weekend its the 7's (soccer) so we are in party mode...
Not that I drink at all or indulge in non complaint food, but there was some nice lamb & salad there which I hadn't had to prepare...& we were both good at avoiding the tempting looking desserts....
I always say to myself "5 minutes on your lips; the rest of the time on your hips" However I also know that it will most likely end up on my face!!

Possum, you do rock! Wow sounds like you had a great weekend! We played golf and relaxed which was really nice for a change

Quoted from Rennie

I get my Krill Oil from - GASP! - Mercola.com.  Mercola is not a good word around here (check out another thread on him), but his Krill is quality and it does a great job in lowering cholesterol....has mine, anyway    Krill Oil has been proven to be a better source of the omega's than "fish oil" as well as not have a heavy or "repeat" fishy taste.  It's cold-pressed and mercury free (important!).  

My chiro did a patient test with willing participants....gave them Krill for one month and then had them recheck their cholesterol.  Amazing results and those on Lipitor went off and never had a problem as long as they stayed on the Krill.  

Good luck, Golf~!

Thanks for the feedback! So glad to hear of your results with it

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Possum, you do rock! Wow sounds like you had a great weekend! We played golf and relaxed which was really nice for a change

Oh shucks,... Thanks   Glad you had a good weekend

haaa isn't that amazing to get peeps away from alloapthic *bon-bon's* .... I hope for the futur that people get more and more aware about the so called *needs for*.... all about pharma buzz...

have a great day you all  

Niacinamide shows some toxicity with long term use, not niacin.

But an open attitude should allow for a few technical glitches!

Golfzilla...wow...didn't realize you were on so many medications.   Am so pulling for you guy.  Good luck.      (((((Big hugs)))))

Debra

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Golfzilla...wow...didn't realize you were on so many medications.   Am so pulling for you guy.  Good luck.      (((((Big hugs)))))

Debra

Morning D+! Thanks, of course everything is realtive but in my opinion I can do this. I'm already off Nexium, I am awaiting my blood chemistry results and should be off Lipitor this week. I will next tackle the Paxil.

I believe in Dr D, the science behind this process; and with support from all of you in time it will allow me to heal and get off these meds. This is not a weight loss issue for me, I Iost weight before I began the blood type diet. Perhaps I will adjust a few more pounds but my vision and belief from me beginning the BTD in Late Oct '09 was in my opinion THE way for me to get off the meds and begin a process of healing and a healthier lifestyle. Simple, case closed

Definitely GZ.  I glad you decided to go this route.  In my opinion you went about it in the correct fashion.  Consulted your dr & tackled it 1 @ a time.  It's good that you got rid of the "easiest" but very important 1 1st.  Yep good ole stomach acid is a must for digestion, if it wasn't so we would not be born w/ so much of it.  How come it was good for us when we were younger & all of a sudden (middle age) western docs say it's not?  Think about it.

Quoted from kauaian

How come it was good for us when we were younger & all of a sudden (middle age) western docs say it's not?  Think about it.

Because doctors don't (yet?) have drugs to increase stomach acid, but they do have drugs to lower it.

I hear ya  

Quoted from kauaian

Definitely GZ.  I glad you decided to go this route.  In my opinion you went about it in the correct fashion.  Consulted your dr & tackled it 1 @ a time.  It's good that you got rid of the "easiest" but very important 1 1st.  Yep good ole stomach acid is a must for digestion, if it wasn't so we would not be born w/ so much of it.  How come it was good for us when we were younger & all of a sudden (middle age) western docs say it's not?  Think about it.

You are correct, much of what medicine indicates makes one stop and rethink...