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keithallenlaw
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Greetings. I'm ready to take on a the next step if you will.
I did notice that weight loss is the biggest deciding factor
if not the only one that determines whether or not you should
do the GTD over the BTD. I'm 5'11" 205lbs. If I would stick
to the BTD 100% then weight wouldn't be an issue.  

I was trying to decide if I should do my secretor test or
move onto the GTD next. Which is a better next step. I'm
also confused about all the other blood markers as well.

Is knowing your secretor type more helpful for the BTD or
GTD?

Sorry for so many q's. I'm lost when I read all the
terminology on these threads. Does the good Doc have
a tech dictionary? Please advise. Thanks!  






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It's best to do the Secretor test before you move on
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has btd helped you so far?

are there any health issues you are trying to address?


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Knowing if you're a secretor or a nonnie, will help refine your food choices to help you either lose weight; heal existing, or future (potential) conditions...or all three As Christina so aptly once said: its like finding the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle"
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Actually I'm an arthritic mess right now. My joints
are aching all the time. I have both rotator cuffs
torn and injured, left hip has joint scare tissue
and now lately my back is causing issues. Right
knee is giving me a fit as well. I believe I have
a week disposition in my tendons and connective
tissue. Weak and tired a lot. If this helps.



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Sounds like you need GTD for sure IMO You poor thing!!!
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Fair enough. I'll get the GTD book. Looks like a secretor
test is in order as well. Thanks a lot.

...don't feel for me, I asked for everything I got.  

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Thanks for the support.

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Knowing if you're a secretor or a nonnie, will help refine your food choices to help you either lose weight; heal existing, or future (potential) conditions...or all three As Christina so aptly once said: its like finding the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle"





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Well, to be honest, it has some, but I believe food
combining over the years has helped me the most.
I know, sore subject but you asked my dear.  

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Knowing if you're a secretor or a nonnie, will help refine your food choices to help you either lose weight; heal existing, or future (potential) conditions...or all three As Christina so aptly once said: its like finding the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle"





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it certainly sounds like you need specialist attention so:

First thing, do the secretor test.  If money is not an issue, get SwamiXpress, otherwise GTD for the time being with a borrowed book and help from here, while you are saving towards the Swami.

Now the secretor test can be done by either a saliva test or a blood test.  The advantage of the blood test is that at the same time you can also determine your MN values, useful for SwamiXpress, although not essential.

I believe, the more we know about ourselves, the better we can equipped ourselves to deal with challenges.  There is healing on this road ...  









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If arthritis is the issue you may want to consider following the diet in the Arthritis book.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED063S

Secretor status is important to know to follow the diet in the Arthritis book.

If you have decided to follow the GTD instead, often type Os can determine their GenoType without knowing Secretor status.


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Thanks Christina. Good advise. Wow, never realized
I was in need of healing at my age but I suppose.
I spent my younger years on rounds and rounds of
anti-biotics and meds which I'm sure destroyed
my friendly guys.

Denial is the biggest disease sometimes.  



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So the choice comes down to only a decision? I think
I'm confused again...sorry. I'll think about what you
said here and try to put it together with some more
reading.

Thanks

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If arthritis is the issue you may want to consider following the diet in the Arthritis book.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED063S

Secretor status is important to know to follow the diet in the Arthritis book.

If you have decided to follow the GTD instead, often type Os can determine their GenoType without knowing Secretor status.





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C_S is making referenced to the fact that some Os have their type determined with just their measurements according to the GTD book, so in that case being secretor or non secretor will not change their type.  But, in your case that is irrelevant, because you already established that you have challenges to face and fix.  You will need to know your secretor status to give yourself the best chance to get you into better health.  




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Is knowing your secretor type more helpful for the BTD or
GTD?

I believe it is equally important in both diets. Being a non-secretor will change the status of many foods in the BTD, including the diet for Arthritis. For the GTD it is one of the more important determining factors of your genotype. Hope this helps.


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I'm think I'm catching on. Thanks ladies and gentleman.



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I'm think I'm catching on. Thanks ladies and gentleman.
and possums??!!

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Even for those of us who follow the GTD, some will still work with the Health Library books.  I refer back to many of the supplements from time to time when I am working with specific issues.

Keith, with all the joint (tendon, ligament) issues you are having, another puzzle piece for you might be to work with a good Chinese medical doctor.  I'm saying this because I'm having some good results by adding this to my health regime.  My big issues right now are not so much arthritis related as they are weak tendon/ligaments, along with fatigue.  Chinese medicine and acupuncture can address these issues pretty easily.



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Quoted from keithallenlaw
Fair enough. I'll get the GTD book. Looks like a secretor
test is in order as well. Thanks a lot.

...don't feel for me, I asked for everything I got.  






I think most if not all of us have asked for everything we've gotten... in one form or another.

This I believe is true whether we knew what we were doing was harmful or not.  So now that we understand the consequences all of us here are in a position to feel for one another, are we not?  
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SWAMI can also be an awesome step in the right direction, because it will refine and blend everything that you did previously while also taking your personal health concerns, further measurements, and history into account.

When I received my SWAMI I was so impressed that I bought another one for my husband as well!  
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Re "...don't feel for me, I asked for everything I got."

I don't think that whether we asked for it or not, is really the issue as to whether we "feel for each other"
At various stages of their lives, my kids asked for stuff & reaped the consequences of their behaviour... At no stage did I ever "not feel for them" even when it was me metering out the consequences...   

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I apologize if I failed to communicate my thoughts accurately.


I meant that our bodies themselves do not understand the difference between deliberate or ignorance in actions.

We suffer nonetheless, despite whether we had knowledge or not of living unhealthfully.  Even if our brains did not know, our body's "knew".  By "asking for it"  we did this unknowingly, because the results of our former ways would have, unfortunately,inevitably led to illhealth  

All of us that have come to this way of life on BTD or GTD have done so because we have health concerns that were caused by our previous ways of living and eating.  Being such we understand the trials that our fellow BTDieters or GTDieters are facing and have compassion for them because we are all in this together.  We support each other and feel for each other.

Did I explain myself better?  I guess it's just me being overly analytical of the situation
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Basically what I was saying to him is:  

I feel for you because I am in the same boat as you
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Ooops my mistake.. From what I thought the first part was saying...reading the second part too quickly, I jumped at the wrong conclusion Thanks for clarifying...
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Quoted from keithallenlaw
Actually I'm an arthritic mess right now. My joints
are aching all the time. I have both rotator cuffs
torn and injured, left hip has joint scare tissue
and now lately my back is causing issues. Right
knee is giving me a fit as well. I believe I have
a week disposition in my tendons and connective
tissue. Weak and tired a lot. If this helps.


nasty wheat.. what it does to an O.



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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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But I cut it down to almost zero. Compared to how
much I used to eat and now, I should be much better,
but I'm not...hmmm.

Even years ago when I was a strict raw foodist and
even a fruitarian I had these issues. Maybe the piper
has finally come for payment.  

I think that I really abused this body with all the
extreme diets over the years.  

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nasty wheat.. what it does to an O.






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How true Cristina. Amazing how some of us spend our whole
lives getting into such a bad state and then expect an
over night miracle.

Enjoy the weekend!



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Many years ago, when many of us were new to this site, there was a thread where we were comparing the kind of food we were raised on.  I remember I ate 95% avoids.     Good grief!  No wonder it has taken me so long to rebuild my health.

Lets' just be glad we have begun to turn things around.  It does take time.  Persistence is important.  Consistency makes it possible.  



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Quoted from keithallenlaw
But I cut it down to almost zero. Compared to how
much I used to eat and now, I should be much better,
but I'm not...hmmm.

Even years ago when I was a strict raw foodist and
even a fruitarian I had these issues. Maybe the piper
has finally come for payment.  

I think that I really abused this body with all the
extreme diets over the years.  





Once junk gets into your joints it doesn't want to come out. Have you tried using Deflect? May be worth a shot - to clean up what can be gotten to.
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Here's my problem with following the book as compared to following SWAMI...

According to the book, I'm an 0+ Gatherer (after doing advanced calculator tables).  However, according to SWAMI I'm an Explorer.  OK - to stop follow-up comments - I get the "personalized Grama Nay" diet thing through SWAMI.  I'm following that.

HOWEVER, in the book chicken egg whites are a Superfood for a Gatherer and a black dot for Explorer,  In SWAMI, they're a neutral for the Explorer "me diet".   In the book, parmesan cheese is a Superfood for a Gatherer and and Toxin for an Explorer.  According to SWAMI, it is also a Toxin for the Explorer "me diet".  

I could go on and on about the same food being Superfood in Gatherer and a Toxin in Explorer.  

See my point - anyone??  If I had just purchased the book and followed the geno-type advanced tables, I would be skipping along doing the Gatherer diet....and eating "toxins" for my body and wondering why I wasn't feeling better.  So how can we advise someone to "just follow the book"?

Thank goodness for "wholefoodie" who made me aware of SWAMI.  I believe in this nutrition plan 100% - I think it's the answer to my prayers.  So I promise I'm not trying to stir up trouble...I'm confused~!


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Here's my problem with following the book as compared to following SWAMI...

According to the book, I'm an 0+ Gatherer (after doing advanced calculator tables).  However, according to SWAMI I'm an Explorer.  OK - to stop follow-up comments - I get the "personalized Grama Nay" diet thing through SWAMI.  I'm following that.

HOWEVER, in the book chicken egg whites are a Superfood for a Gatherer and a black dot for Explorer,  In SWAMI, they're a neutral for the Explorer "me diet".   In the book, parmesan cheese is a Superfood for a Gatherer and and Toxin for an Explorer.  According to SWAMI, it is also a Toxin for the Explorer "me diet".  

I could go on and on about the same food being Superfood in Gatherer and a Toxin in Explorer.  

See my point - anyone??  If I had just purchased the book and followed the geno-type advanced tables, I would be skipping along doing the Gatherer diet....and eating "toxins" for my body and wondering why I wasn't feeling better.  So how can we advise someone to "just follow the book"?

Thank goodness for "wholefoodie" who made me aware of SWAMI.  I believe in this nutrition plan 100% - I think it's the answer to my prayers.  So I promise I'm not trying to stir up trouble...I'm confused~!


Just as the more personalized plan (SWAMI) will be better than the less personalized plan (GTD) the GTD is still a much, much more powerful diet than an non-D'Adamo diet picked up somewhere else. Even if it's not ideal for the individual it is much closer than what they would have otherwise.

So yes, unless going the SWAMI route (not for everyone) just follow the book. Everyone to thier own level of participation.

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I agree~!  I was doing pretty well on the ER4BT, which was quite general.

But Lloyd, if I follow the Geno-type book I'd be in the wrong type categoy and will be eating "avoids" as "superfoods".....


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I agree~!  

But Lloyd, if I follow the Geno-type book I'd be in the wrong type categoy and will be eating "avoids" as "superfoods".....


The diet as a whole would still be superior to a one size fits all diet. The fact that it wouldn't be optimal is irrelevant. Those that want to optimize get SWAMI's and/or are more compliant. Even the SWAMI-Xpress could be optimized further by an experienced practitioner running a SWAMI GenoType version and making further refinements, although for most people the Xpress or even the plain BTD or GTD is quite satisfactory.

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I agree~!  I was doing pretty well on the ER4BT, which was quite general.

But Lloyd, if I follow the Geno-type book I'd be in the wrong type categoy and will be eating "avoids" as "superfoods".....


That is why when we come to these forums we promote just not a diet but a way of life.  Together with the recommendations on BTD, GTD, Swami, health protocols ... you would have heard us talking about listening to your body and paying attention as to how we react.  Eating those avoids would have sooner or later send warming signals to your body   Also, most of our recommendations are based  at what level we find ourselves in, whether we have any challenges at the moment or not, the more challenges. the more specific and personalized the recommendations are.  I personally, given the choice, challenges or not, would always go for the personalized option, but I also understand that, particularly when finances are an issue, the more generic BTD, GTD or health protocol books borrowed from libraries and with support from this forum, are giant steps in the right direction!

    




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That is why when we come to these forums we promote just not a diet but a way of life.  Together with the recommendations on BTD, GTD, Swami, health protocols ... you would have heard us talking about listening to your body and paying attention as to how we react.  Eating those avoids would have sooner or later send warming signals to your body
    


EXACTLY~!  I DO understand - I'm really not beligerant or stupid.

But - again - my POINT is this:  had I just purchased the book, had I not been aware of this forum, and had I followed my book which diagnosed me as a Genotype Gatherer, I would not have felt well eating the list of superfoods for Gatherer.  Because, in fact, they are toxins for the "real me Explorer diet" (through SWAMI).  Therefore, being unaware of the forums and just a member of John-Q-Public, I would have ditched the whole thing thinking it doesn't work because, as quoted above: "Eating those avoids would have sooner or later send warming signals to your body".  And isn't that the point of the book - to reach the masses to help them?

Please, please understand - I am not being a pain in the butt just for the sake of contradicting. I don't like controversy and criticism aimed at anyone.  And I KNOW you all don't have the magic answer for me...perhaps only Dr. D does.  

I am just pointing out that the general public is losing out on improved health by being accidentally being placed in the wrong Geno type through the book.  In this respect, then ER4BT would be the way to go because, overall, those food categories are more right-on to your blood type generalities.


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The general public is only losing further individulization.

I think that your experience of being given a different label is the significant minority, although it is always nice to be able to get the best for every indivdual. SWAMI-Xpress goes a very long way in that direction (being the best).
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I am just pointing out that the general public is losing out on improved health by being accidentally being placed in the wrong Geno type through the book.


in general, everybody is helped by progressively changing their lifestyle in terms of being more conscious about choosing natural, unprocessed food sources, and slowing down as opposed to fast food!

now those who take it to another level, the curious, the risk takers, people open minded as you and most of those participating here get to reap most of the benefits of Dr D s study.

the masses you mention are not ready to take that leap of faith or commitment anyways.


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... and had I followed my book which diagnosed me as a Genotype Gatherer, I would not have felt well eating the list of superfoods for Gatherer.  Because, in fact, they are toxins for the "real me Explorer diet" (through SWAMI)...


The other thing to consider is what makes you a Explorer in Swami.  The basic measurements make you a Gatherer in the book and that alone will also make you a Gatherer in Swami, but when you add the other bits of information to Swami, information unique to you, like family history, current challenges and your past medical history plus test results, Swami fixed the food lists to match those details which, in your case resemble more the Explorer diet, hence the label 'Explorer'.  But, this does not mean that your Swami explorer lists, are 100% identical to the GTD book Explorer lists.  Like when according to the GTD book I was a Teacher, but then I am now a Swami Warrior, only because my input data block in Swami makes my food choices more Warrior like than Teacher like, but deep down, I am still a Teacher by measurement alone.  Could it be that Swami is labelling us according to what genotype our food lists match the most out of the possible genotypes for our blood groups?  But anyhow, like you said, we are not talking about just labels in here, but food choices and provided the quality of data we input in Swami is good, that is what the best for our type.  

These concepts have also been a puzzling thing for many of us, and the more we talk about it, the better ways we may find to explain ourselves and reach that aha! moment when things seem to fall in their place.

I apologize in advance if I still suck at explaining my thoughts, but be assured, I am doing it in the most friendly manner, with the best positive energy to help.  I thank you greatly for seeking clarification that gives us the opportunity to improve ourselves and keep on learning about these concepts and how to communicate them.  





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Will some one please push me off this out of control
merry-go-round before I go mad.  

I mean really, my curiosity keeps me coming back here
but wow, if I keep getting more confused about all
this I'm gonna put up the white flag and surrender.

There is a lot of valid points being tossed around
here that makes it hard to decide for a person.      



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Quoted from keithallenlaw
Will some one please push me off this out of control
merry-go-round before I go mad.  

I mean really, my curiosity keeps me coming back here
but wow, if I keep getting more confused about all
this I'm gonna put up the white flag and surrender.

There is a lot of valid points being tossed around
here that makes it hard to decide for a person.      


For you, the important thing is whether you are happy with the diet as you are following it now. If you have 'challenges' or are looking to 'go to the next level' then SWAMI is the way to go as far as I am concerned. It's really up to you though. BTD and GTD both work quite nicely for most people without further mods.
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Like Cristina, I think it is the labelling of the genotypes that is confusing, especially now that SWAMI is here. Everybody is their own unique genotype and only SWAMI has the ability (dynamics) to distinguish each one of us from each other, and to distinguish each one of us from the main genotypes identified in the book. Maybe this will help (from 'The Genotype Diet' book)...
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There probably aren't only six GenoTypes. There are probably 7.5 billion -- one for every human currently alive on the planet. Just as each of us is a unique person with a unique appearance, personality, and set of abilities, so does each of us have a unique GenoType -- our very own set of interactions between our 30,000 genes, our nine months in the womb, and our life since then...




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Like Cristina, I think it is the labelling of the genotypes that is confusing, especially now that SWAMI is here.
Of all the work that Dr. D' Adamo has done the Genotype concept, is arguably the most brilliant.

If you think that Genotype is a mistake, try to wrap your head around lateral thinking.  A very good resource is Edward de Bono with the "po" concept.  Po is not "Yes" and not "No", but it is possible.

Using this kind of creative thinking, you can take an interim answer that is not completely suitable and develop from there to get a better, final answer.  Swami by a trained, caring practitioner is the final answer for individualized nutri-genomics.  Genotype is a useful way to start to talk about how one individual genetically differs from another and what those differences mean.

I have not got any of Dr. D' Adamo's training.  Despite this, I can see and appreciate the necessity and creativity behind the alleged "mistake" of the Gentoype concept.

When walking in an unfamiliar landscape you need to know North, East, South, West and what these mean.  The Genotypes are the compass points that Dr. D' Adamo has marked out for us.

It is only fair; he and those who worked with him "got there" first!  


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Very well said, Paul.

Hope you're not thinking that I think the genotypes are a "mistake". Quite the opposite. They are not only "possible", they are "probable".


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Paul, who do you think in here thinks that Genotype is a mistake?  Are we reading the same posts?  




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Personally, I think there should be a new book that further breaks down Explorers.  We are such a difficult group that do not fit into any molds just right, nothing is just quite right for us.  I think further research is needed to help us more.  Even what swami does for us I don't think is quite right.  I have a lot of items that are avoid for B types, such as pinto beans with bad lectins in them, that swami labels a superfood.  How on earth can a lectin that is bad for type B people be possibly a superfood???  
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How on earth can a lectin that is bad for type B people be possibly a superfood???  

I used to wonder this too. Something that Andrea said awhile back (can't find it) made me start to think differently, that possibly specific lectins in the diet under certain conditions are more helpful than not. Sounds like this might be the case between you and the pinto bean lectin. Maybe for another B Explorer it will not.



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or Red meat bad for A type blood, but good for A type Explorers?
if you have the Genotype book, everything is perfectly explained on the Prologue pages, particularly look at the section tittled 'GenoType and Blood Type: What's the Difference?'

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Your blood type is only determined by one gene -one out of about 30,000! ...
Genotype reflect the activity of many other genes, not just the one that determines blood type. While bood type is an important aspect of Genotype, it is not the only gene that matters. ... Genotype reflects both genetics and eipigenetics - the interaction between your genes and the environment. ... For example in my previous books, I stressed that people with blood type A should generally avoid red meat.  That was truth for so many blood type A's that I felt justified in saying that.  But now I can see that some blood type A readers may have a GenoType - called the "Explorer"- that can be benefited by eating some red meat.  On the other hand, blood type A's whose GenoType is the "Teacher" or "Warrior" should probably continue avoiding red meat, just as I suggested before. ...


Dr D in the GTD book, goes further into explaining that by just taking into consideration the one gene (like in the BTD book) -the bood type gene- we were stuck with those lifestyle options for life, since our blood is not likely to change!! But, by taking into consideration a larger subset of our genes that make us, us, and in taking into consideration not just the genes themselves, but their responses to diet and environment (from womb on), it allows for more flexibility, particularly as we get better control of our genes behavior with his suggested 'correct to type lifestyles' (result of many years of research, studies and application). I love his analogies of the 'town meetings' where all genes come together and the aim is to encourage the 'good ones' to speak and the 'baddies' to quiet down  

It all makes wonderful sense ...  





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that is precisely the power of swami!

certain components in that particular bean or any other food appearing with a different value in your swami, are there for a reason and the program designed by Dr D computes these values and variables and biochemical components in that food to serve a purpose, according to the data you put in......
the complexity is humongous, so I suggest you dip your toes in slowly and experience the change for the better.
Dr Natalie once explained it better than me

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Dr. D. has a reason behind every food placement.  Nothing was placed randomly. However, believe me when I tell you, the database of analysis is huge and the biochemistry amazingly and beautifully complicated.  

Dr. D. is both a physician and a teacher.


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specific lectins in the diet under certain conditions are more helpful than not.


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Changing food values because of disease is
usually in response to the aberrant glycosylation* found in many diseases and characterized by elevated tumor, inflammatory and/or metabolic markers.


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Pinto beans is described as an avoid because:  "Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins."  I found an explanation of this description:
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When searching the TypeBase 4 food values, you will see this phrase.
The easiest way to explain it is to say that your body has an  "Immune response" to that particular Lectin.  
"Flocculates" means flaking and clumping together.  Normally this happens when a foreign Antigen is destroyed by an Antibody like when you get sick and your body fights off a virus or bacterial infection.
These Lectins specific to your Blood Type can cause this type of response.
As I have serious health consequences made worse by such an immune response and clumping of blood cells, I really cannot risk pinto beans making this worse.  I really don't see how it is possible for this reaction to reverse to the opposite due to genotype.  And this is just one item that I happened to look up.  So I'm playing it safe.  Any avoids in the Fatigue book I'm removing from my swami acceptable lists.  There are other food options left in the same categories that are definitely safe, and I haven't read anything that says that it is important to eat every food listed in every category.  Especially since some food items aren't even available everywhere anyway.
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in one word
agglutination, clumping together


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These concepts have also been a puzzling thing for many of us, and the more we talk about it, the better ways we may find to explain ourselves and reach that aha! moment when things seem to fall in their place.
When you have read ERFYT and LRFYT and you are not totally happy with the BTD what are you to do?  There is the BTD/GTD comparison page to help, but that does not address Swami Xpress

Those who are trying to decide between Genotype and Swami Xpress are hesitating because they do not know which is going to benefit them.  Well Swami can do all that Geno can do (and better  ), but it costs more.

From your comment of puzzling concepts and the hesitation others have, there appears to be some kind of gap to jump.  So, Christina, it does appear that some are not convinced that the Genotype concept is valid.

Once Swami was released, I said to myself "Well I can now throw Genotype in the dustbin!"  A big mistake!  (which I did not commit anyway) Going from any BTD to GT Explorer leaves you scratching your head - it takes a good couple of months to get on the new track.  Changes to other Genotypes, I assume, are also quite an adjustment.  The jump from any BTD to Swami must be even worse in terms of unexpected changes.

BTD and Genotype are necessary in and of themselves, and both are necessary before Swami.  Who would jump straight into Swami, unless they were receiving the care of a practitioner?

Genotype is a working and workable compromise, but it could be seen as a mistake both by hostile critics and by Swami users.  We should all undertake critical thinking before purchasing anything.  Yet it is just too easy to dismiss the Genotype Diet since the Genotype identity (as evident in the food values) can be tweaked beyond recognition in your individualized Swami.  With the knowledge that there are a potential of about a billion ways to teak your Genotype, you know that some will move as far in a totally different direction.  This does seem to weaken the original Genotype concept.  

Not so!  Your feelings are deceiving you: Don't trust them!  (thank you, George Lucas)  This is a case of human intuition going directly against the statistical evidence.  Stats are usually anti-intuitive, but not reliably so!  

The dimesionality of the data in Swami literally leaves us at a loss as how to "sum it up".  

If I am losing you, go and watch part IV (I hope I remember correctly) of Dr. D' Adamo's Wilton Library lecture on youtube!

The important things that change could really be balanced on the desional edge in Genotype, waiting for a little more information to push them from Avoid to Diamond status.  Meat for A and AB Explorers is a fine example.  Enough alkaline phosphotase turns what would putrify in the intestines to quality protein and fat that is readily absorbed!

Even if it were technically possible, a release of a new Genotype system that has more and narrower groups would be a marketing mistake - almost an admission that the original Genotypes did not represent some unchangeable facet of human individuality.

It would also be a step backward in terms of treating the individual.


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so far, 14 years almost, all of Dr D s trains I ve ridden have taken me to the right destination......time tables, tracks and all have been perfectly orchestrated!!

I have never tried to maneuver the train, have simply sat back and enjoyed each ride, taking the guidelines into consideration and cooperating by being compliant.

all pleasant rides so far and looking forward to new and exciting stretches!

those trying to take over the operating system are bound to get deviated....


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I have never tried to maneuver the train, have simply sat back and enjoyed each ride, taking the guidelines into consideration and cooperating by being compliant.

all pleasant rides so far and looking forward to new and exciting stretches!


ditto!!   and I am certainly enjoying the ride!!  

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...those trying to take over the operating system are bound to get deviated....


Agree!! Look at the options!!  I am convinced this is the pathway and each to their own! Nobody is wrong or right, but I am happy where I am and I can clearly see where I am going with my trust firmly in those carving the road in front of me.  Hope everyone find what they are looking for soon, because it is a sad situation to be wondering around not knowing where to go or what to do.  Success and good health to all!! )  




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This thread is certainly making me want to try Swami now...I think that I'm ready to jump on that train that Lola is talking about & continue on to the next station stop...so far it has been a wonderful ride.  
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