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keithallenlaw
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Actually I'm an arthritic mess right now. My joints
are aching all the time. I have both rotator cuffs
torn and injured, left hip has joint scare tissue
and now lately my back is causing issues. Right
knee is giving me a fit as well. I believe I have
a week disposition in my tendons and connective
tissue. Weak and tired a lot. If this helps.


nasty wheat.. what it does to an O.



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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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But I cut it down to almost zero. Compared to how
much I used to eat and now, I should be much better,
but I'm not...hmmm.

Even years ago when I was a strict raw foodist and
even a fruitarian I had these issues. Maybe the piper
has finally come for payment.  

I think that I really abused this body with all the
extreme diets over the years.  

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nasty wheat.. what it does to an O.






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we live and learn ... it is all worth it even when, for some of us,  it takes us a few years to register the learning part ...  




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How true Cristina. Amazing how some of us spend our whole
lives getting into such a bad state and then expect an
over night miracle.

Enjoy the weekend!



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Many years ago, when many of us were new to this site, there was a thread where we were comparing the kind of food we were raised on.  I remember I ate 95% avoids.     Good grief!  No wonder it has taken me so long to rebuild my health.

Lets' just be glad we have begun to turn things around.  It does take time.  Persistence is important.  Consistency makes it possible.  



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Quoted from keithallenlaw
But I cut it down to almost zero. Compared to how
much I used to eat and now, I should be much better,
but I'm not...hmmm.

Even years ago when I was a strict raw foodist and
even a fruitarian I had these issues. Maybe the piper
has finally come for payment.  

I think that I really abused this body with all the
extreme diets over the years.  





Once junk gets into your joints it doesn't want to come out. Have you tried using Deflect? May be worth a shot - to clean up what can be gotten to.
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Here's my problem with following the book as compared to following SWAMI...

According to the book, I'm an 0+ Gatherer (after doing advanced calculator tables).  However, according to SWAMI I'm an Explorer.  OK - to stop follow-up comments - I get the "personalized Grama Nay" diet thing through SWAMI.  I'm following that.

HOWEVER, in the book chicken egg whites are a Superfood for a Gatherer and a black dot for Explorer,  In SWAMI, they're a neutral for the Explorer "me diet".   In the book, parmesan cheese is a Superfood for a Gatherer and and Toxin for an Explorer.  According to SWAMI, it is also a Toxin for the Explorer "me diet".  

I could go on and on about the same food being Superfood in Gatherer and a Toxin in Explorer.  

See my point - anyone??  If I had just purchased the book and followed the geno-type advanced tables, I would be skipping along doing the Gatherer diet....and eating "toxins" for my body and wondering why I wasn't feeling better.  So how can we advise someone to "just follow the book"?

Thank goodness for "wholefoodie" who made me aware of SWAMI.  I believe in this nutrition plan 100% - I think it's the answer to my prayers.  So I promise I'm not trying to stir up trouble...I'm confused~!


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Here's my problem with following the book as compared to following SWAMI...

According to the book, I'm an 0+ Gatherer (after doing advanced calculator tables).  However, according to SWAMI I'm an Explorer.  OK - to stop follow-up comments - I get the "personalized Grama Nay" diet thing through SWAMI.  I'm following that.

HOWEVER, in the book chicken egg whites are a Superfood for a Gatherer and a black dot for Explorer,  In SWAMI, they're a neutral for the Explorer "me diet".   In the book, parmesan cheese is a Superfood for a Gatherer and and Toxin for an Explorer.  According to SWAMI, it is also a Toxin for the Explorer "me diet".  

I could go on and on about the same food being Superfood in Gatherer and a Toxin in Explorer.  

See my point - anyone??  If I had just purchased the book and followed the geno-type advanced tables, I would be skipping along doing the Gatherer diet....and eating "toxins" for my body and wondering why I wasn't feeling better.  So how can we advise someone to "just follow the book"?

Thank goodness for "wholefoodie" who made me aware of SWAMI.  I believe in this nutrition plan 100% - I think it's the answer to my prayers.  So I promise I'm not trying to stir up trouble...I'm confused~!


Just as the more personalized plan (SWAMI) will be better than the less personalized plan (GTD) the GTD is still a much, much more powerful diet than an non-D'Adamo diet picked up somewhere else. Even if it's not ideal for the individual it is much closer than what they would have otherwise.

So yes, unless going the SWAMI route (not for everyone) just follow the book. Everyone to thier own level of participation.

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I agree~!  I was doing pretty well on the ER4BT, which was quite general.

But Lloyd, if I follow the Geno-type book I'd be in the wrong type categoy and will be eating "avoids" as "superfoods".....


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I agree~!  

But Lloyd, if I follow the Geno-type book I'd be in the wrong type categoy and will be eating "avoids" as "superfoods".....


The diet as a whole would still be superior to a one size fits all diet. The fact that it wouldn't be optimal is irrelevant. Those that want to optimize get SWAMI's and/or are more compliant. Even the SWAMI-Xpress could be optimized further by an experienced practitioner running a SWAMI GenoType version and making further refinements, although for most people the Xpress or even the plain BTD or GTD is quite satisfactory.

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I agree~!  I was doing pretty well on the ER4BT, which was quite general.

But Lloyd, if I follow the Geno-type book I'd be in the wrong type categoy and will be eating "avoids" as "superfoods".....


That is why when we come to these forums we promote just not a diet but a way of life.  Together with the recommendations on BTD, GTD, Swami, health protocols ... you would have heard us talking about listening to your body and paying attention as to how we react.  Eating those avoids would have sooner or later send warming signals to your body   Also, most of our recommendations are based  at what level we find ourselves in, whether we have any challenges at the moment or not, the more challenges. the more specific and personalized the recommendations are.  I personally, given the choice, challenges or not, would always go for the personalized option, but I also understand that, particularly when finances are an issue, the more generic BTD, GTD or health protocol books borrowed from libraries and with support from this forum, are giant steps in the right direction!

    




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That is why when we come to these forums we promote just not a diet but a way of life.  Together with the recommendations on BTD, GTD, Swami, health protocols ... you would have heard us talking about listening to your body and paying attention as to how we react.  Eating those avoids would have sooner or later send warming signals to your body
    


EXACTLY~!  I DO understand - I'm really not beligerant or stupid.

But - again - my POINT is this:  had I just purchased the book, had I not been aware of this forum, and had I followed my book which diagnosed me as a Genotype Gatherer, I would not have felt well eating the list of superfoods for Gatherer.  Because, in fact, they are toxins for the "real me Explorer diet" (through SWAMI).  Therefore, being unaware of the forums and just a member of John-Q-Public, I would have ditched the whole thing thinking it doesn't work because, as quoted above: "Eating those avoids would have sooner or later send warming signals to your body".  And isn't that the point of the book - to reach the masses to help them?

Please, please understand - I am not being a pain in the butt just for the sake of contradicting. I don't like controversy and criticism aimed at anyone.  And I KNOW you all don't have the magic answer for me...perhaps only Dr. D does.  

I am just pointing out that the general public is losing out on improved health by being accidentally being placed in the wrong Geno type through the book.  In this respect, then ER4BT would be the way to go because, overall, those food categories are more right-on to your blood type generalities.


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The general public is only losing further individulization.

I think that your experience of being given a different label is the significant minority, although it is always nice to be able to get the best for every indivdual. SWAMI-Xpress goes a very long way in that direction (being the best).
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I am just pointing out that the general public is losing out on improved health by being accidentally being placed in the wrong Geno type through the book.


in general, everybody is helped by progressively changing their lifestyle in terms of being more conscious about choosing natural, unprocessed food sources, and slowing down as opposed to fast food!

now those who take it to another level, the curious, the risk takers, people open minded as you and most of those participating here get to reap most of the benefits of Dr D s study.

the masses you mention are not ready to take that leap of faith or commitment anyways.


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... and had I followed my book which diagnosed me as a Genotype Gatherer, I would not have felt well eating the list of superfoods for Gatherer.  Because, in fact, they are toxins for the "real me Explorer diet" (through SWAMI)...


The other thing to consider is what makes you a Explorer in Swami.  The basic measurements make you a Gatherer in the book and that alone will also make you a Gatherer in Swami, but when you add the other bits of information to Swami, information unique to you, like family history, current challenges and your past medical history plus test results, Swami fixed the food lists to match those details which, in your case resemble more the Explorer diet, hence the label 'Explorer'.  But, this does not mean that your Swami explorer lists, are 100% identical to the GTD book Explorer lists.  Like when according to the GTD book I was a Teacher, but then I am now a Swami Warrior, only because my input data block in Swami makes my food choices more Warrior like than Teacher like, but deep down, I am still a Teacher by measurement alone.  Could it be that Swami is labelling us according to what genotype our food lists match the most out of the possible genotypes for our blood groups?  But anyhow, like you said, we are not talking about just labels in here, but food choices and provided the quality of data we input in Swami is good, that is what the best for our type.  

These concepts have also been a puzzling thing for many of us, and the more we talk about it, the better ways we may find to explain ourselves and reach that aha! moment when things seem to fall in their place.

I apologize in advance if I still suck at explaining my thoughts, but be assured, I am doing it in the most friendly manner, with the best positive energy to help.  I thank you greatly for seeking clarification that gives us the opportunity to improve ourselves and keep on learning about these concepts and how to communicate them.  





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Will some one please push me off this out of control
merry-go-round before I go mad.  

I mean really, my curiosity keeps me coming back here
but wow, if I keep getting more confused about all
this I'm gonna put up the white flag and surrender.

There is a lot of valid points being tossed around
here that makes it hard to decide for a person.      



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Quoted from keithallenlaw
Will some one please push me off this out of control
merry-go-round before I go mad.  

I mean really, my curiosity keeps me coming back here
but wow, if I keep getting more confused about all
this I'm gonna put up the white flag and surrender.

There is a lot of valid points being tossed around
here that makes it hard to decide for a person.      


For you, the important thing is whether you are happy with the diet as you are following it now. If you have 'challenges' or are looking to 'go to the next level' then SWAMI is the way to go as far as I am concerned. It's really up to you though. BTD and GTD both work quite nicely for most people without further mods.
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Like Cristina, I think it is the labelling of the genotypes that is confusing, especially now that SWAMI is here. Everybody is their own unique genotype and only SWAMI has the ability (dynamics) to distinguish each one of us from each other, and to distinguish each one of us from the main genotypes identified in the book. Maybe this will help (from 'The Genotype Diet' book)...
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There probably aren't only six GenoTypes. There are probably 7.5 billion -- one for every human currently alive on the planet. Just as each of us is a unique person with a unique appearance, personality, and set of abilities, so does each of us have a unique GenoType -- our very own set of interactions between our 30,000 genes, our nine months in the womb, and our life since then...




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Like Cristina, I think it is the labelling of the genotypes that is confusing, especially now that SWAMI is here.
Of all the work that Dr. D' Adamo has done the Genotype concept, is arguably the most brilliant.

If you think that Genotype is a mistake, try to wrap your head around lateral thinking.  A very good resource is Edward de Bono with the "po" concept.  Po is not "Yes" and not "No", but it is possible.

Using this kind of creative thinking, you can take an interim answer that is not completely suitable and develop from there to get a better, final answer.  Swami by a trained, caring practitioner is the final answer for individualized nutri-genomics.  Genotype is a useful way to start to talk about how one individual genetically differs from another and what those differences mean.

I have not got any of Dr. D' Adamo's training.  Despite this, I can see and appreciate the necessity and creativity behind the alleged "mistake" of the Gentoype concept.

When walking in an unfamiliar landscape you need to know North, East, South, West and what these mean.  The Genotypes are the compass points that Dr. D' Adamo has marked out for us.

It is only fair; he and those who worked with him "got there" first!  


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Very well said, Paul.

Hope you're not thinking that I think the genotypes are a "mistake". Quite the opposite. They are not only "possible", they are "probable".


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Paul, who do you think in here thinks that Genotype is a mistake?  Are we reading the same posts?  




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Personally, I think there should be a new book that further breaks down Explorers.  We are such a difficult group that do not fit into any molds just right, nothing is just quite right for us.  I think further research is needed to help us more.  Even what swami does for us I don't think is quite right.  I have a lot of items that are avoid for B types, such as pinto beans with bad lectins in them, that swami labels a superfood.  How on earth can a lectin that is bad for type B people be possibly a superfood???  
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