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shells
Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:28am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Victoria
"A loop is a circular pattern that has only one delta (triangular pattern of lines) off to one side of the center. If you have close to ten loops it is likely that you are an explorer.  Check the loops on both index fingers.  If you have one delta on the thumb side of one hand and one on the pinkie side of the other hand then its almost a dead cert; you are an explorer."

This is Paul's post.


How did you get my fingerprints??    

Welcome Possum to Nonniehood!  You are in good company (with good food)
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Possum
Thursday, October 22, 2009, 5:20am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Munchkin76
Thanks Poss - still adjusting to my Nonnie-ness.  Makes total sense though given my history (guess I was happily trying to live in denial)  !
Hey I'm from Brissie originally - where in Oz are you from?AP
NSW (born Newcastle) but lived my childhood in Tassie Rest of time in Aus mostly spent in Adelaide & returned to Tassie for 7yrs prior to to this past 7+ yrs here NZ is a lot like Tassie but no lack of water, like most of rest of Aus (altho' not Q'land eh
Thanks Debra & shells;)
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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 5:45am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Cristina
I have 10 loops, all ulnars except for the index ones in both hands are radials and swami made me a Warrior by taking in consideration the rest of me.  
I am discombobulated by your fingerprint info Paul - having just settled that I am a Gatherer...not your fault!!
I know there are certain Gatherer foods I don't do so well on (maybe in time ) and some Explorer traits I relate to, but then there are certain Explorer traits I don't...and I have leanings both ways when I calculated...One day I will prob'ly get a swami done
However for now I have never actually done my fingerprints... In light of the above quote...
If I clearly have torso longer than Total leg by 5.5 inches and,
Lower leg longer than Upper-leg by a clear inch
plus the Nonnie & Rh- factors would I be likely to be more Gatherer or Explorer? I kept switching b/n the two but having an itching reaction within half an hour of certain foods in both "diets" (resulting in yucky welts/hives mostly on my jaw line)... I really want to get settled one way or the other as I keep buying stuff I then get scared to eat (like the expensive organic parsnips ) for fear of breaking out yet again

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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 5:53am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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what do the strength tests in the back of your book say?


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 8:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Cheers,
Quoted from Lola
what do the strength tests in the back of your book say?
Starting at the "Advanced Genotype Calculator Jump Table" & then going to the back of the book, that gives me G2 Gatherer - so do I need to do fingerprints or is that enough to determine that I am Gatherer not Explorer?
I am just one nervous Nonnie you see, with so many bad & confusing experiences with food...Right now I am surviving on sardines, ricotta & pineapple (but not together ) Maybe I will have to put Swami on my Christmas list if this isn't enough...

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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 8:46am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Possum, sounds like you've been 'round the place quite a bit  !

I don't know what to say regarding the measurements as I was lucky and came out as Hunter so strongly that I'm not overly familiar with the Gatherer/Explorer nuances!  Maybe SWAMI is the way to go in your case.

I hope your food reaction mischief is managed soon !

AP  


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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 8:58am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Cheers Yep been all over - lived in Melb one year too - moved about a dozen times since married & another dozen b4 that as a kid...But Lola can beat that with actual places she's lived
Funny thing; 2 times my parents moved, since I've been married, they forgot to tell me where
What took you to London & how long for?? Do you miss Aus - get back often?
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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:29am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hey Poss

After Uni I fancied a change so moved to London for something different - as my Dad's Scottish I got a British Passport as well as my Aussie one, so it was all a bit too easy not to  !  Been here for 10.5 years now - I get home at least once (sometimes twice) a year, so get to see my Dad and brother quite a lot.  My brother has also been here a couple of times to visit.

Will probably go home to live on a more permanent basis in the not too distant future coz the political environment here is really getting on my goat now  !

I want to have a place back in Oz and a place here (or in Europe) and follow the Summer  !

AP  


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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:44am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Cool!! Sounds good!! My man gets over there several times a year on business I'm yet to go myself
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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:50am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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If you ever do, drop us a line and we can hook up  !


Listen to all, plucking a feather from every passing goose, but follow no one absolutely. CHINESE PROVERB

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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 4:04pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I d follow the gatherer plan and tweak along the way, if necessary.
we are our own pilots when it comes to choosing what s best for our genetic individuality.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 4:08pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Possum

If I clearly have torso longer than Total leg by 5.5 inches and,
Lower leg longer than Upper-leg by a clear inch
plus the Nonnie & Rh- factors would I be likely to be more Gatherer or Explorer?


With the charts is would come down to your ring and index fingers. If Rings are longer then you would be Explorer if indexes are longer you would be a Gatherer. If they are different (ring on one hand longer, index on the other) then you'd be an Explorer too.

The fingerprints are important, but I don't think you can pick a GT from them alone. The radial loop is not exclusively Explorer.




Rh-, ISFP, Super Taster, Non-Secretor 52% SWAMI-XP'd Explorer.

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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:59pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Ta Heidi-  that's what I thought and no matter how I measure them, the index fingers on both hands, are clearly longer
& true Lola I'll do that...
Munchkin that would be too cool!!   I keep entering comps to get a trip over... Its just not practical for me to go with my husband yet, with my work & the fact that he is so busy day & night & only there for a week at a time... I wouldn't see him or get enough time to really savour the place One day ... *sigh*
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Possum, There is always the chance that SWAMI Xpress would override the Gatherer GT. But until you are able to run it you kind of have to go by the book  

Best of luck!



Rh-, ISFP, Super Taster, Non-Secretor 52% SWAMI-XP'd Explorer.

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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:32pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Cristina
I have 10 loops, all ulnars except for the index ones in both hands are radials and swami made me a Warrior by taking in consideration the rest of me.
Yes.  The one index finger being an ulnar loop, while the other index is radial loop is a key point, however.  Dr. D' Adamo specifically mentions this as a "first pass" explorer strength indicator in the GT book.

Quoted from shells
How did you get my fingerprints??
My initial reaction was to say that I stole them!  

I guess Explorers could have a really limited set of possible fingerprint patterns in terms of loops, whorls, and arches.  

I wish that we could genotype people just by their fingerprints, but that would be a little too convenient to fit with reality.  Maybe this "suspicious convenience" is what turns people off BTD and GTD.  

Quoted from Possum
Does that make you part New Zealander then??
Yes, I call myself a part kiwi.  My father's lineage links us to a Scottish highland clan, the Isle of Mann, and a knight who fought for William on the Norman Conquest. So I have a complex about my identity  ...  errr  ...  I mean a complex identity.  


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.

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Thursday, October 22, 2009, 11:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Congratulations Possum on finally finding out you're a nonnie.  Gee it sounds like it was frustrating!  

Just thinking outside the |_| here, since you've having trouble genotyping yourself.  Are you sure the Genotype Diet is best for you, did you do the quiz : http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

It might be worth having a squiz at the book live right for your type at the Type O Non-Secretor Diet.  

I have many kiwi friends and have somehow got a kiwi accent though I never lived there!  

For my reference: How much did the saliva test cost?  Did you order it through the dadamo website?  


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Don't want to hijack post, but about fingerprints.  I am sure I'm mostly an explorer, the diet is helping alot, though I have yet to find out if I'm a nonnie.  Torso longer, thighs longer, ring fingers longer.  Meso-ectomorph with visible tendons. I have high asymmetry, the kidney, liver problems, mould sensitivity problems and soy is no good for me.   Mild tooth shovelling and carabellis cusp (not much help there).  Suffer autoimmune problems, some allergies, anaemic many times especially when I tried vegetarian.  

My fingerprints are thumbs: double loops on thumbs, non matching indexes - tented arch, tented arch / ulna loop combo, middle fingers ditto, rest 4 ulna loops.  That doesn't match to your description Paul.  Non-matching index fingers seem to be the key.  


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mine are matching


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My index prints match too, both arches.



Rh-, ISFP, Super Taster, Non-Secretor 52% SWAMI-XP'd Explorer.

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Quoted from Symbi
Congratulations Possum on finally finding out you're a nonnie.  Gee it sounds like it was frustrating!  You could say that
Are you sure the Genotype Diet is best for you? It might be worth having a squiz at the book live right for your type at the Type O Non-Secretor Diet. Thanks for that... but it does recommend the GTD - I figure that's best, as I have so many allergies/sensitivities ...
I have many kiwi friends and have somehow got a kiwi accent though I never lived there!   Its a fairly strong accent & some people (my Mum, me & my daughter & sounds like you?? included) pick up accents really easily;)
How much did the saliva test cost?  Did you order it through the dadamo website?  
No I actually went through PathLab in Melbourne & the price seemed reasonable (just not so sure about the speed of service tho' ) Costs $30 for the test plus about $13 extra fee - can't remember what for... Goodluck
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Quoted from paul clucas
Yes, I call myself a part kiwi.  My father's lineage links us to a Scottish highland clan, the Isle of Mann, and a knight who fought for William on the Norman Conquest. So I have a complex about my identity  ...  errr  ...  I mean a complex identity.  
Does sound complex Impressive tho' On my Mother's side, I can trace my lineage back to French royalty (but only by association ) One of my ancestors was a seamstress to the ladies in waiting and there is a relative who was involved in the cause with Emily Pankhurst, or something like that - You might believe it too if you knew me

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Quoted from Heidi
Possum, There is always the chance that SWAMI Xpress would override the Gatherer GT. But until you are able to run it you kind of have to go by the book  
Best of luck!
Cheers I kinda thought that... and it was only my morbid fear of getting it wrong that was driving me Seems ok this past day or so, now I have got over my recent reaction to the brown rice I ate in my momentary digression to Explorerhood
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Possum - Thanks for that, that sounds like good value but sorry it was a big hassle for you though.  Maybe I should order it soon if I want to know before the Christmas after next!  

Are you padded all over Possum, especially on your arms, even when you aren't overweight?  Seems to be a Gatherer trait.

Lola and Heidi, when you say matching, this is something I didn't quite understand in the book.  Does that mean they have to be a mirror image of each other (and that's why you need to use a fingerprint pad I assume) or they match if they are both the same type (e.g. arches)?

Makes sense that Explorers would have a wide variation in traits since we can be any blood type.  We're too unique!  How do you catch a unique mouse?  You neek up to them!




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they match if they are both the same type

yes, same type.....


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Until Lola tunes in with her answer, I understand that the fingerprints match when the TYPE of fingerprint in the one finger, is the same as the TYPE of fingerprint for that same finger in the other hand.  I did not count the number of lines, or loops, or arches.  In my case they are all loops the direction of which are matched by the same fingers in the other hand.  So, both my index fingers match because they both have radial loops.  The other fingers all match because they all have ulnar loops.  So they are all matching pairs, ulnar and radials.





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