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Gale D.
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Does anyone have a list of the typical Nonnie conditions from the LR4YT book?

I loaned my LR4YT book out to someone, and can't recall who!




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search the Nonnie Clubhouse on the main forum index.....
that might get you started, until your book reappears....


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good grief. never mind.




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Quoted from Gale D.
good grief. never mind.


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Sorry I'm a little off in mood today.

I'm looking for a definitive, clinical if you will, list of known Nonnie reactions, symptoms and characteristics, not anecdotal stories.

I know a lot of it is in the LR4YT book - but I've loaned mine out to who knows who.




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We nonnies are FULL of anecdotal stories.


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Quoted from Ribbit
We nonnies are FULL of anecdotal stories.


lol it's true... definitely sounds like the nonnies (and/or suspected nonnies) I've run across    There ya go, that's your 1st "condition"


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DGale19, Is this what you're looking for? ... http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_secretor.htm


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Dgale, you will also find some of the info in page 40 of the ER4YT book, if you still have it available.

It is good to know that all those vulnerabilities nonnies seem to have, can be addressed with the right diet and lifestyle.  




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Hi here are some tips from LR4YT (my own language). Hope it will help you:

1. higher degree of foreign bacteria invasion in the system
2. more adherence of lectins in food to digestive tissues
3. higher incidence of syndrome X or insulin resistance
4. higher concentration of bad intestinal bacteria
5. higher rate of blood clotting
6. higher suscesptibility to candida type infections
7. lower immune resistance
8. higher suscesptibility to dental cavities
9. higher suscesptibility to ulcer-causing bacteria
10. more risk of inflamatory bowel problem
11. higher risk of respiratory virus infections
12. higher incidence of autoimmune diseases
13. alcoholic tendency among drinkers



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Quoted from Kumar
Hi here are some tips from LR4YT (my own language). Hope it will help you:

1. higher degree of foreign bacteria invasion in the system
2. more adherence of lectins in food to digestive tissues
3. higher incidence of syndrome X or insulin resistance
4. higher concentration of bad intestinal bacteria
5. higher rate of blood clotting
6. higher suscesptibility to candida type infections
7. lower immune resistance
8. higher suscesptibility to dental cavities
9. higher suscesptibility to ulcer-causing bacteria
10. more risk of inflamatory bowel problem
11. higher risk of respiratory virus infections
12. higher incidence of autoimmune diseases
13. alcoholic tendency among drinkers


Kumar - great list, I bet you'd like to be tested to see if you one if you could.  Why can't you send saliva out of your country in safe packaging?

In spite of all the above I wouldn't mind finding I'm a nonnie as it would explain alot of things! says Mrs metal mouth 1974 (4 amalgum fillings and 8 other)

Nonnies have a greater senses of smell I think and higher sensitivity to everything.


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I think it would have to be refrigerated if it wasn't tested within a certain time frame, and that may not be possible.


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Testing secretor status for us (in Nepal and neighboring countries) is a big deal because of the logistics involved. I hope at least some labs in India could start this to make it accessible for all of us. Or I could do that when I am abroad to a place with this facility. For the time being, I have decided to compromise and rely on my sensing ability. (We do not even have indican testing, which I would have loved to have. Not even in India, with all of its medical facilities and development.)



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thank you, Kumar for your fine reminder,worth to stick it for all of us...   it was in my head but I didn't remember the whole list... ....and aaarrrggghhh   it is sooo true what we can read there... .....


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I have the LR book in front of me! According to the index, there are the following nonnie things (in addition to Kumar's list above):

* a significantly higher # of Graves' disease, a common form of hyperthyroidism

* no secretions in saliva means "a distinct disadvantage" as regards teeth -- cavities, particularly

* insulin resistance syndrome, which can cause impairment of triglyceride conversion, resulting in a lowered metabolic rate. Low metabolism also promotes the storage of excess fluid as extracellular water, leading to edema

*far more likely to suffer from an immune disease, esp. when provoked by an infectious organism. Also they're a bit more predisposed to view their own tissue as unfriendly. Nonnies are more prone to...
-generalized inflammation
-both type 1 & type 2 diabetes
- (if type 1 diabetics) more consistent problems with Candida albicans yeast, esp. in mouth & upper GI tract
-fibromyalgia (accounting for 80% of sufferers, regardless of blood type)
-a variety of auto-immune diseases, including ankylosing spondylitis, reactive arthritis, psoriatic arthropathy, Sjogren's syndrome, multiple sclerosis, and Graves' disease
-recurrent urinary tract infections -- between 55-60% of nonnies have been found to develop renal (kidney) scarring even with the regular use of antibiotics for UTIs
- although only 20% of the population, they're 80% of "complex" patients -- hard to diagnose properly and slow to cure


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dito thank you Katsy ......


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Thank you to whoever 'stickied' this.    

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Thank you Kumar and Katsy for the lists!




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Testing secretor status for us (in Nepal and neighboring countries) is a big deal because of the logistics involved.


not necessarily.....they do not test for secretor status, per se, but you can have a lewis test done by blood,  request a Lewis antigen phenotype from the blood center, the results given to you will let you know your status, don t expect them to read those results in terms of knowing you want to know secretor status.
or the saliva test, The secretor test via saliva is based on hemagglutination inhibition
we can help you determine your secretor status
Le(a-b+) always secretors
Le(a+b-) always a non-secretor
Le(a-b-) can be secretors or non-secretors, this phenotype is
         only about 5%-6% of caucasians

those tests are certainly done in the blood banks or labs of large hospitals, even done down here in Mexico, and we re not more developed than in your country.

ask around, you ll find the hospital that can do it for you.
good luck!




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Yea Lola, I did approach blood bank in my  country once. They were all lost as to Lewis factor. One guy told me that there was once the test but now no more. Then I enquired among India-connnected labs too but have not been able so far. But I will continue to search for it. Thanks for the remarks.



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Do Nonnies have any adavantages over Secretors at all?
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Quoted from treminator99
Do Nonnies have any adavantages over Secretors at all?


Dr. D. just answered this on another thread -- less likely to get cancer and come down with viruses.


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Hi Kumar,

I've just ordered a secretor test (Lewis test) through the british website
http://www.bloodgrouptest.co.uk

It wasn't expensive at 27.00. I'll bet they'd deliver to India?


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Maybe two of the nonnie weaknesses can cancel out: yeasts have a natural defense that kills bacteria (think antibiotics).  Yeasts produce alcohol as a waste product, which is not harmful to teeth like lactic acid, which is the waste product of most bacteria.  If you have oral candidiasis, I think you should have less bacteria, so maybe that imparts some protection for your teeth.  Personally, I've never had a cavity, but I do have that whitish gunk on my tongue.  
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