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 If you're diagnosed with ADD, what's your blood t?
Blood type O that suspects they have  ADD (31 votes)
28.70%
Blood type O formally diagnosed with ADD (29 votes)
26.85%
Blood type A that suspects they have  ADD (21 votes)
19.44%
Blood type A formally diagnosed with ADD (10 votes)
9.26%
Blood type AB that suspects they have  ADD (7 votes)
6.48%
Blood type B formally diagnosed with ADD (5 votes)
4.63%
Blood type B that suspects they have  ADD (4 votes)
3.70%
Blood type AB formally diagnosed with ADD (1 votes)
0.93%
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I do find this thread very interesting...thank you.

One of my four sons was diagnosed "dreamy ADD" and is in his twenties now.  If only I knew back then what I know now, especially about wheat, maybe he would have turned out a little different.  He and his ADHD brother both had speech problems during the pre-school years and had years of speech therapy (the listening/hearing connection

My 'dreamy ADD' son is still not working even though he has a Bachelor's Degree from University in IT.  He has an addiction to bread and all things wheat.  Does not communicate but only when spoken to, even though he has an extremely even nature.  He hardly physically moves and is the only very overweight person in the immediate and extended family.

This is in great contrast to the ADHD who as a child thought that there were only two emotions happy and angry and boy does he express these both!  This teenager is slim, eats like a horse, and cannot do any one thing for too long, gets bored easily and has to be going somewhere or being amused.  I am sure this one medicates himself with alcohol or other doping substances.  

Like I said if only I knew back then what I know now    
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leads me to ask what's about your thyroide ....why not giving a try to kelp.....and what's about a higher intake of glutamic acid, especially for you- the O's ....

btw...the dislexic thing seems to be a big part of the psychograms of the no 6 in the enneagram .....so far justamente take care in what you are going to identify .....


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intp's are acting j'like meant here is that swifting between p and j...so far   ... no wonder Paul .....


the archives of http://www.brucelipton.com are interesting to read ...


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I'm glad I found this thread, even coming in so late.  I've talked a good deal about ADD/spectrum because I deal with it too.  I don't have the time or patience  at the moment to repeat everything I've written on the subject, but I do know very recently we were talking about it on an Explorer thread, if somebody can find a link to that.

I was officially diagnosed with dyslexia and ADD (and maybe more, but I don't remember, and neither does my mom) when I was in about 5th grade.  Starting the summer after 5th grade, I entered what's called the Discovery Program, which is a therapy program through NILD (National Institute for Learning Disabilities).  I went to private school, so I didn't have the benefits of the Special Education programs.  I was one of the first children at the school to be in the Discovery Program.  I remember being really embarrassed that everybody knew I was in the program, because the other kids in it were weird (and everybody knew it).  I knew I was weird, but I hoped it didn't show all that much.  

I didn't speak much unless spoken to either, but it wasn't that I didn't have anything to say (or that I didn't have the ability to say it), it's that I learned early on from my older brothers that everything coming out of my mouth was stupid.  I learned to keep my mouth shut at home, and I learned quickly at school that when I was called on to read out loud (which I dreaded---I love it now, because my children laugh and laugh at the personality and tone of voice I give each character), or to do a math problem on the chalk board, I couldn't do it right.  I always, always, always got the math problems wrong.  The other children would roll their eyes or chuckle.  Even through middle school I dreaded having to read out loud because I'd mix words up or read the wrong paragraph (usually the one that was just read, but I didn't realize I was repeating it because I wasn't listening--I was just dreading having to slooooowly read so I wouldn't say something like "Columbus discovered America in 1942," at which point the whole class would burst into laughter.  I wouldn't know why, but would have to try hard not to cry, and then would feel like dirt the rest of the day.)

I completed the program by the end of 8th grade.  Their claim is that the therapy makes connections between the right and left sides of the brain that weren't there before.  In one writing method (called Rhythmic Writing, done on the chalk board), you have to reach across the midline of your body to do the activities, supposedly helping connect the sides of the brain.   I very much believe it helped me organize my brain.

Caffeine does wonders to my ability to think.  A thyroid supplement has helped in the past (not kelp, though), but I kind of quit taking it after a while.

On the Explorer thread we had talked about some of this being Explorer traits, but as I pointed out on that thread, they are also non-secretor traits. Most of us who are giving input on this subject are nonnies.

The mandatory achievement tests every couple of years were interesting.  On spelling (strangely enough) and logic, and the cool little spacial designs that gave you a series of shapes, then asked you what would come next, I would test way above my grade level.  But on listening or reading comprehension, I was way below grade level, to the point of getting nearly every question wrong.  I couldn't remember what was read long enough to answer the questions, and by the time I read the paragraph 4 times and got to the first question, the time was up.  And if the teacher was reading the paragraph to us, by the time she was at the end, I had no idea what she'd just said because all I heard was the traffic in the parking lot, the loud music in my head, the kid in front of me sneezing, and the fluorescent lights buzzing.

Don't even get me started on math.  I couldn't do math.  You can read about that on the Explorer thread.  I have much more to say, but I have children arguing, and when the children are arguing, I can't concentrate on anything else.


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Fascinating thread.  I've never been diagnosed with ADD but believe I have it.  My older son was diagnosed in 3rd grade.  He was in an advanced program but couldn't pay attention.  He was reading at 8th grade level but never finished his work.  My younger one, with a 140+ IQ had trouble "getting the main idea" .
Both my children were breastfed.  My youngest was diagnosed with a "wheat allergy" in about 6th grade.  His old brother is tall and thin and he's even taller, about 6'6" or more and very very heavy.  He would never do anything about his weight.  A few months ago he had to go for a physical because he hurt his hand at work and they told him he was diabetic.  He's gotten more serious about eating better and his blood sugar is down.  
Got to get back to work.
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I just thought of something I wanted to add here.

I believe "learning disabilities" are really "learning differences."  I think a lot of kids are labeled as such because they don't fit this nice little mold that the school system requires you to fit.  I don't have any trouble learning.  I just have to learn it in such a way that it sticks in my brain, and that's different from the way most people learn, so I'm labeled as "disabled."  I am not disabled.  Do I really have ADD?  Depends on your definition.  I am easily distracted by some things, but yet never hear other distractions because I'm so concentrating so hard on something.  If I'm in my right brain (when I'm doing my art, for instance), I can concentrate for hours and hours with no break.  If I'm in my left brain, which my current life requires me to remain in, I can't concentrate on anything at all.

I was breastfed for 2 years, BTW.  Look on websites like http://www.mothering.com for studies.


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Well, this is really starting me thinking . .

Is there a clear description for how a person is determined to have one of these disorders?  

(Some of these posts sure sound like myself)  It would explain a lot.  



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Shells, your son needs to kick the carb habit.  I used to "dope my self dreamy" by drinking up to 4 L of milk (the higher fat the better) a day.  I did also stumble onto something I call my Forced March exercise.  During a mainly lazy and nocturnal existence when I was down, I found myself strangely drawn to pushing myself to walking briskly after midnight.  My range was in the miles, but the pace I developed was linked to my breathing so that the striding could only be call aerobic.  Two long strides timed with short in-breaths and two long strides timed with short out-breaths, and keep on repeating.  I got addicted. I am now convinced that it did stoke my Explorer metabolism.  Maybe there is something particular to him that will help him.  Walking at night was essential for me because I could exercise in a city and not draw attention.

Ribbit, this may be it: Explorers where are you?  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1246886654/s-0/
I got back into my remedial therapy by reading to my kids - who love it!

I know that my ears (if I neglect my therapy - like for the past 5 years) have two settings - receive everything in range without distinction  or  focus on one thing and shut out all the rest completely.  Healthy listening function should allow you to pick one out of 20 conversations in a room and keep a ear open for a interesting subject around you.  The discriminatory power of the ear is technically amazing - cochlear implants rely on this.

Jane, ADD and ADHD is always accompanied by adjectives such as inattentive and lazy.  The boys ability to concentrate has been sapped by their particular neurological development.  They are not lazy!  Their effort cannot be accurately measured by anyone who has not had the same problem.  There are metaphorically chained to large concrete blocks!  This is their reality - even if they don't know it.

M. Mori, I look up and to my left when try to capture a memory.  Face is not symmetrical and ring fingers are longer on both hands.  To confuse matters I used to have confused/mixed hand dominance.  I still deal cards with my left hand unless I remember to make myself do so with the right.

Victoria, although it acceptance is limited, a listening test will give qualitative data on fine listening skills.  This is the neurological core of sensory integration, since hearing is the first developed sense.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.

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Yes, Paul, that's the thread.  It would interest anybody who's reading this one.

I too was labeled as "inattentive" and "lazy".  But I certainly wasn't.  I worked very, very hard.  I stayed up late at night being drilled by my mom for a test the next day.  If I missed a question, she would put a little dot by it and come back to it later.  By bedtime, there would be anywhere from 5-10 dots next to 90% of the questions.  I could go to bed when I knew them.  But the next day?  I'd still fail the test, and my mom couldn't understand why, when I knew them the night before.  She'd have long conferences with my teachers trying to explain that I knew the material, but still managed to fail the test.  The thing is....most of the time I'd feel confident that I answered the questions correctly, but when it came right down to it, I seemed to often miss half of them.  This happened all the way through high school, even after the NILD therapy.  I routinely failed tests and always, always failed pop quizzes.  The only thing that kept my grades up was projects.  I was thorough, exact, very artistic and creative, and I always got extra credit on everything I did.  It was the only way I graduated from a college prep school with honors.  Oh, yeah, I worked very hard.  But because my grades didn't reflect that (thanks to the way the school system is built), people thought I was lazy.  

My husband never studied, he just listened in class and aced everything.  *sigh*

If I'd had caffeine at breakfast every morning, I might have been able to remember it all.  Or Yerba Mate.  It helps my concentration.

And yes, my ears have two settings as well.  Very interesting, Paul.

Re: "doping yourself dreamy".  My husband was just relating to somebody that he used to buy a bag of corn chips and a jar of salsa, eat half of it (half of a huge bag!) till he was so drugged he fell asleep, and then wake up later feeling like a brick had hit him in the head.  He was addicted even though it made him feel so bad.  But it was worth it to him to get konked out.  It was I who made the corn connection several months after we were married.  


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Does anyone have a favorite website(s) that explains in simple terms what the signs and symptoms are if a person has ADD or ADHD?



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perhaps sometimes better to listen or hear or read with our hearts instead of mind  

all issues you are mentioning are so beautifully described in the enneagram...why nor accepting it, embracing at as a fact of your *persona* and working on it ..... I get stomach cramps when having to admit that most of those so called *diagnozed* people are anywhere held in some particulars... so far...fixed...reduced on *their beings*..... .....I am sure that all is
ok with nearly everybody without judging coz of our patterns or trained
habits and conditioneerings....

btw: some interesting things are to be read in the outcomes of Bruce Lipton, especially no3 of the wisdom of your cells ....www.brucelipton.com and then have an eye onto his archives...


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Paul, thanks so much for your sharing.  You have really got me thinking about my older 'dreamy' son who also has a nocturnal lifestyle of computer all night and sleep all day....his label of lazy by most others and how much cheese he consumes.  The neurological description of chained to concrete blocks so describes him.  The total lack of motivation, incentive and initiative in his life exacerbates his father.  

Can I ask you what brought you to the point of getting off the milk and starting to exercise at night?  I am just trying to find some insight so I can try to help  
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Quoted from paul clucas
Shells, your son needs to kick the carb habit.  I used to "dope my self dreamy" by drinking up to 4 L of milk (the higher fat the better) a day.

I'd do that with wheat -- a big bowl of pasta, then about a dozen cookies or birthday cake if we had any.  Who needed alcohol?  In fact, once I went to a pub with a friend and had two desserts instead of beer.

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I know that my ears (if I neglect my therapy - like for the past 5 years) have two settings - receive everything in range without distinction  or  focus on one thing and shut out all the rest completely.  Healthy listening function should allow you to pick one out of 20 conversations in a room and keep a ear open for a interesting subject around you.  The discriminatory power of the ear is technically amazing - cochlear implants rely on this.
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My ears have just one setting -- receive everything.  I cannot selectively shut out conversations.  If someone talks to me while the news is on the radio, I have to shut off the radio and ask that person to repeat what he/she said.  It doesn't help that I have voices in my head that also interfere with everything.  I wish I could improve this.  But the BTD hasn't made a difference.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I have to concentrate very hard to selectively shut out conversation.  I can only deal with instrumental music in the background if I'm trying to carry on a conversation.  If more than one child is vying for my attention (which is usually the case), I feel very overwhelmed and have to say, "I can only hear one of you at a time, but first I have to turn the timer off, get this out of the oven, and then I can listen."  If there is one thing I cannot tolerate, it's screaming.  It hurts my ears.  Real, physical pain.

What I mean by two settings is this:  I either hear it all, or I hear nothing.  Either way I end up zoning because it takes too much energy to zoom in on one thing.  So I usually miss a lot.  I just hear cafeteria noise in my head.  Plus the music (plus the voices, Square Peg, but they've faded almost entirely as I've gotten older).  On the flip side, I often hear the wrong things in a conversation and it sticks in my mind for years.  My brain can't filter out what's important and what's not, so it often remembers dumb things that don't matter, but it forgets the things that I should remember.  

Oh, yeah, who needs alcohol?  Just eat two or three pieces of key lime pie and you'll feel so doped up you won't need anything else for a while.   Alcohol spikes my blood sugar like dessert does.


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I know that my ears (if I neglect my therapy - like for the past 5 years) have two settings - receive everything in range without distinction  or  focus on one thing and shut out all the rest completely.

M. Mori, I look up and to my left when try to capture a memory.  Face is not symmetrical and ring fingers are longer on both hands.  To confuse matters I used to have confused/mixed hand dominance.  I still deal cards with my left hand unless I remember to make myself do so with the right.


Hey Paul, so your "Hunter ears" can now be directed/focused after therapy? That is interesting and it definitely shows the power of good therapy in reducing the intensity of problem traits. Now that I'm off all grains most of my ADD traits have tapered off, but I still have what I call Hunter ears (prob bc I didn't have the therapy you speak of)- they can't be focused, I have enhanced hearing so if I hear the smallest noise then I can tell what direction it came from and which direction it's moving but this is only good for when I'm in the woods as it offers very little benefit in a classroom/building.

As you look up and to the left I feel very certain that at least a large percentage of people with dyslexia were born left-handed (right brain dominant) but learned to write with their right hand- this would cause definite problems in acquisition of language skills.
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I believe "learning disabilities" are really "learning differences."  I think a lot of kids are labeled as such because they don't fit this nice little mold that the school system requires you to fit.  I don't have any trouble learning.  I just have to learn it in such a way that it sticks in my brain, and that's different from the way most people learn, so I'm labeled as "disabled."  I am not disabled.  Do I really have ADD?  Depends on your definition.  I am easily distracted by some things, but yet never hear other distractions because I'm so concentrating so hard on something.  If I'm in my right brain (when I'm doing my art, for instance), I can concentrate for hours and hours with no break.  If I'm in my left brain, which my current life requires me to remain in, I can't concentrate on anything at all.


Indeed so-called learning disabilities are learning differences, I have ADD-Inattentive type so all throughout school I never paid attention to any teachers but I had straight As and Bs until I got to high school math and science and my grades dropped a bit because I still never paid attention.

An interesting thing about ADD is that it is the complete opposite of what some people think it is, I can't speak precisely for ADHD, but ADD-Inattentive type is actually a state of hyper-focus. I can work on research for 8-12 hours if it's interesting but I can't listen to someone talk for 3 minutes unless it's back and forth. If someone is talking at me, which is the case in the classroom 99% of the time then I'm not getting what they're throwing at me. There are a couple different reasons for this, but I believe that the main one is because I can always find something more interesting to think about and once I start working on a problem to solve in my head then nothing is capable of holding my attention unless it is equal to or more stimulating than what I'm thinking about. You did a great job of describing a state of hyper-focus that is associated with some, if not all, types of ADD.
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One of my four sons was diagnosed "dreamy ADD" and is in his twenties now.  If only I knew back then what I know now, especially about wheat, maybe he would have turned out a little different.  He and his ADHD brother both had speech problems during the pre-school years and had years of speech therapy (the listening/hearing connection

My 'dreamy ADD' son is still not working even though he has a Bachelor's Degree from University in IT.  He has an addiction to bread and all things wheat. Does not communicate but only when spoken to, even though he has an extremely even nature.  He hardly physically moves and is the only very overweight person in the immediate and extended family.

This is in great contrast to the ADHD who as a child thought that there were only two emotions happy and angry and boy does he express these both!  This teenager is slim, eats like a horse, and cannot do any one thing for too long, gets bored easily and has to be going somewhere or being amused.  I am sure this one medicates himself with alcohol or other doping substances.  


I have day-dreamy ADD, or ADD-Primarily Inattentive, so I can tell that your son is probably retreating into his mind and hyper-focusing on his thoughts. He's probably addicted to wheat because it's loaded with Tyrosine, he would do much better by picking up a Tyrosine nutritional supplement like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Source-N.....249590077&sr=8-4

I stopped eating grains entirely so I only need one of these a day instead of a high dose of Adderall, so this is a 4 month supply for $15 instead of 10 times that for Adderall (and it has bad side-effects). Many people like this smoke marijuana because it's mechanism of action is the complete opposite of that of wheat, the main mechanism of action of marijuana is decreasing cAMP levels (it doesn't affect Dopamine this is a myth- if it did then it would have physical addiction potential that leads to withdrawal, like alcohol and cocaine). Alcohol lowers histamine levels, so both of these substances could be used to medicate by people that are eating wheat and not digesting it good.

I also had speech problems growing up, if I knew then what I know now then I wouldn't have been "zoned out" all throughout school. I'm a very quiet and analytical person, but now that I know about the blood type personality/psychological condition effect I can spot people by their blood types easily. Despite this I still haven't made any commission from the BT Store because I work at a call center and a lot of the people, like myself, don't make much money so to me it becomes a question- what is more important, potentially selling things but turning off a lot of people because they are less likely to believe me if I'm making money off of them or helping as many people as I can. I always make the latter choice.
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Fascinating thread.  I've never been diagnosed with ADD but believe I have it.  My older son was diagnosed in 3rd grade.  He was in an advanced program but couldn't pay attention.  He was reading at 8th grade level but never finished his work.  My younger one, with a 140+ IQ had trouble "getting the main idea."



Hey Jane, how are you? In the fourth grade I was reading at a 10th grade level so I tested for a gifted program but I didn't have the ability to focus my attention so that didn't work out for me either. So many of us slip through the cracks of society and the school system, it's kind of sad to me. I have a Psychology Bachelor's and I didn't realize that I had the condition until I was in my junior year, so now I see people all of the time with the same condition and most of them literally have no idea. When I've brought it up a few times none of them had ever heard anyone suggest it, these people were almost always blood type O and almost always smoked cigarettes since Caffeine, Nicotine, and Amphetamine are the three stimulants that connect the frontal cortex network associated with ADD. Nicotine and Caffeine have paradoxical effects though, it will improve concentration but only for a short period of time, then it becomes even harder to concentrate than before without another dose.

I think that a massive amount of people with BT O, and/or hunters, have ADD but have no idea- it's my firm belief that ADD is an adaptive hunting trait. If anyone wants to stop smoking cigarettes and they are having a really hard time I highly suggest taking Tyrosine as I think this will help quite a bit.
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M Mori, another begg of my part to read the enneagram,,,especially 5/6
...btw..yep ther's something on...lefthanders who were trained to write with the right hand...something similar happened to me... today I work merely with my left hand but write with my righ hand...but I can do both if I want .....50:50 and I have learned to be the observer of a lot of things, without any interactions ...and being slower than others  doesn't mean to be so called "ADS" not at all... here we have to pay attention not to go into the trap of....
with the resum to feel...bla-bla-blaaa but indeed it is or was in reality nada ms than a sort of induz....mann take care of yourself and not being the playball of others...



ahem... may I ask you to go for the book of Deepak Chopra...*the book of the secrets* it is amazingly written, gives us more than infos about  dif.
issues from body,psyche and mental..interplays....

btw... Jean Klein teaching about *Advaita* should  ring in your ears .....

*no-body is....and no-body has....*    .......


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That sounds interesting Tomatilla, do you have a website you recommend where I can check this out?

I just found an online enneagram at http://www.enneagramcentral.com/

I tested as an Observer 5, and wow is it accurate Tomatilla. I wonder if you guys think that there is a correlation between Enneagram Style and Blood Type?

"The life of the style Five centers on their thinking. Healthy Fives are both highly intellectual and involved in activity. They can be, if not geniuses, then extraordinarily accomplished. As the most intellectual of the nine Styles, they are often superb teachers and/or researchers. Many healthy Fives are fine writers because of their acute observational skills and a developed idealism. They are highly objective and able to see all sides of a question and understand them.

When Fives become less healthy, they tend to withdraw. Instead of dealing with their sensitivity by being emotionally detached from results, they split off from reality, living in worlds of their own creating and not answering the demands of active living. Their natural independence as a thinker degenerates into arrogance. They can become quite arrogant or eccentric. In the movies, Fives are the "mad professors."

Fives you may know: Bill Gates, Scrooge, Buddha, T. S. Eliot, John Paul Sartre, Rene Descartes, Timothy McVeigh, Joe DiMaggio, Albert Einstein, H. R. Haldeman, Ted Kaczynski, Jacqueline Onassis and Vladimir Lenin."

Just about everything about this style describes me but especially:

"- Despite high intelligence, they may be inarticulate, at least until they think carefully.

- Their real world may be a mental, private one.

- They may not be introspective or in touch with their feelings, even though they might talk "about" them.

- As they mature, locked up feelings may erupt."
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O negative Explorer here...

Mom is totally ADD.  Uses coffee like water.  Addicted to wheat like crazy.
Her mom was an A and had absolutely no issues.
Her dad (probably an O) was a pilot (a fitting job for someone with ADD, I would think because it's a lot like hunting).
Her paternal uncle had schizophrenia.  Many of the cousins on that side of the family are bipolar, or depressed.

I get absolutely brain-fogged when I have wheat now (or aspartame).  It's such that I just kind of shut down.  It's like I can feel all of my little neurons firing and I can't shut them off.  I can't tolerate sun when I have it.  My ears ring like crazy, too.  I have a feeling the seizures I used to have were related...




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Hey there, I have sensitive ears, taste, and smell and my BT O Mom sounds like yours. Tyrosine is good for people like this, I believe it's the reason why people get addicted to wheat and/or red meat. All of those conditions you mentioned are genetic hunter traits that are severely worsened by eating wheat. I bet almost the whole family is blood type O. My Mom's family is and her ancestry is Scottish, Irish, Norman, Native American and a bit of Viking.

I just noticed how consistent the poll results are, just about what I expected. The people that are BT A and have ADD almost definitely are Ao and not AA because of their symptoms and the fact that BT Os usually outnumbers BT As. I've heard that methionine can be used for people with symptoms like you described to decrease the severity of their symptoms, but of course the BT Diet would be better.
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M Mori...I know about the enneagram...so I deal with myselve 5/4 but be aware of another very fine book...*gifts differing* from Briggs-Myers...here it is explained why do introverts the exact oposite of their endings.... ther's a lot of steps to take for better and deeper understandings ... our aim is: to stay as an observer not stepping into our trap of fears and feeling hurt nor of detachtments of the world... might become ...so those are some of our *persona* lekkerlies... now up to us to go and create something positive...with our feelings, in the world
to our very best   


mmmpff.. I saw and see... the show and identifications are going  on.... ....yep sorry for my pidginings... .. ........


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Poor excuse for a late response: I was on holiday for 2 weeks and reading through a ton of posts after my return.

Quoted from Memento Mori
I tested as an Observer 5, and wow is it accurate Tomatilla. I wonder if you guys think that there is a correlation between Enneagram Style and Blood Type?


There is a connection between BT or GT and any other valid tool for understanding self: it's the human connection.

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I get absolutely brain-fogged when I have wheat now (or aspartame).  It's such that I just kind of shut down.  It's like I can feel all of my little neurons firing and I can't shut them off.  I can't tolerate sun when I have it.  My ears ring like crazy, too.  I have a feeling the seizures I used to have were related...


Knowing what it is that triggers these must be a great consolation.  It is terrible to be at the mercy of what you do not know.


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Does anyone have a favorite website(s) that explains in simple terms what the signs and symptoms are if a person has ADD or ADHD?


http://www.tomatis.com

There should be a checklist in the English section:   http://www.tomatis.com/English/Articles/checklist.htm

A more thorough analysis would be a listening test - although I have not had any test results given in a detailed manner.

I would like to use the BT/GT distinctions to evaluate Tomatis and other successful therapies for Aspergers/ADD/ADHD/Dislexia/etc so that the best therapy can be determined in each situation.
This would be like the analytical role that Dr. Peter D' Adamo brought to the understanding that his father gained through years of practice. Except that the analytical framework has already been provided by Dr. Peter D' Adamo already.

This future project that I yearn to see bring useful results to sufferers could be a model repeated in other areas where western medicine has failed. Western analytical techniques and an hopeful openness to any method that helps sufferers can combine peaceably to the benefit of mankind.

I have no idea how this can happen, but my heart of hearts is fixed.


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wow Paul good idea...-and good infos in that link... what I observed is that often so called *scientists* are reducing problems to a sort of linear problem; but in reality the approach should be a form of multi-task...  I can clearly see BTD/GTD & this method and also for example in addition http://www.klangsteine.de but here all is about resonances...you see ... it depends how we are *reachable*....
pioneers make the world go round ... thanx for sharing....
and something very,very important...without any accordance of the client/ patient nothing is possible in questions of changes...never forget at first we have to admit, then to accept and then to say yes  
thats'why often people are mistreated by MD's in question of psychosomatic disorders....coz they can't accept their diagnozes so no
committment here...no acceptance....no improovement possible.........that's a matter of facts....


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Keirsey has made some very interesting observations about ADD and ADHD.  He basically says that people diagnosed with ADD and ADHD are generally "p"s from the MBTI typing.  I keep getting told my kids are ADD (which seems to be a catch phrase for not being a compliant child)

Most of the world are J's so, mainstream sees time through J's eyes.  J's are generally super organized and always work before they play.

P's in the eyes of J's never seem to finish anything whereas P's often make decisions to not finish projects if they are not worth finishing. P's play while they work and will often play before they work. P's always seem to have the best ideas for getting things done.  J's are the best at executing the ideas.

Many of the ISTP tradesman that work with me have the 5% issue.  They get a project finished to 95% and in their minds they are finished, the 5% is extraneous and they always seem to start another project.  The J customer inevitably is angry because the remaining 5% is extremely important to having the job complete.  I will often have an ISTP start a project and have an ESTJ finish the project.

I have a couple of P children who regularly figure out what is worth finishing at school and not finishing.  My oldest son ENTP made the decision to go to a technical college for Engineering Design.  His average only needed to be 70% to get in this particular program (entrance is based upon marks plus interview with the dean and practical computer design skills).  His marks dropped from 87% average to exactly 70% when he found this out.  It feels like I have spent years at the schools trying to explain him to his ESFJ female teachers.

My ESTP son is very focused on going into the Military. I kept trying to figure out how he would survive since he barely does his school work and reads nothing (maybe a car magazine here and there).  His female teachers (never male teachers) complain about his lack of application in school, his fooling around and his general non compliance.  His male teachers are enthusiastic about him, especially the science and shop teachers.  His female teachers constantly tell me his is ADD, I constantly tell them they are not in tune with the male mind and they way they teach is boring and they need to adapt to teach different ways to different children.  A psychiatrist we know says R is a super masculine boy (you should see how long his ring fingers are!!!) and should be in the military, police force or fire department.  He said R is a man's man and there isn't a Feeler bone in his body!!!

R is going into a program called RAP next year in which he will be training to become a millwright, but at the same time he will need to do his high school program in order to enter the CDN military as an engineer.  

I am probably considered somewhat ADD.  I usually have 10 books on the go at any one time.  My desk is super messy (all my staff laugh at my desk, because there can be stacks of paper and it can take me 10 seconds to find the one that is needed).  I love to leave things to the last minute, the adrenalin rush that accompanies last minute preparation can help me get things done fast and with excellent quality. I don't know if this is a combination of a slight P combined with a large dose of N...

So, do I think ADD is out there?  Definitely, I think some of the exasperated cases are kids on the wrong diet (you should see the 13 year olds who come to my house who live on wheat, cheese and sugar).  I think much of ADD is simply J's who think P's need to live like J's.  
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