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carolinagirl
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Hello.  I was curious to know others opinions about this, but first let me share how I came to even ask this question.  

I have had a strange itching sensation that hits only my lower legs and there's no rhyme or reason.  This has been going on several months now and lately, I've noticed it starting to go higher up on my legs.  When it's not flared, my legs look fine.  When it does flare, I get little whelps and of course they are red from my itching.  I told my husband a few days ago, I thought it was allergy related.  Last night, hay fever started to hit.  I NEVER have hay-fever in June.  

Today, I am officially back on the BTD wagon.  The allergies are getting worse, obviously, and I'm just the stereotypical O that Dr. D. writes about.  No more denial for me.  

I went to a Health Food Grocer this morning and was looking at lotions and skincare.  To my surprise, I saw so many "avoid" ingredients in them.  I could not find one lotion, for example, that did not have ANY of the following ingredients in them.  Coconut, Sunflower Oil, Avocado Oil or Extract and others too but Aloe was a HUGE offender.  A few weeks ago, I had a massage, and the therapist used......coconut oil.  I have been using Miracle 2 Gel, which has Aloe in it, and their lotion with Avocado Oil in it.

I'm not saying this is the cause, as I have not been eating O friendly, but it certainly made me stop and think.     

Has anyone found sensitivities to products that have the "avoid" ingredients in them?  If so, what's an O to do?   Use glycerin and hand make my stuff?  

Thanks,
Carolinagirl  


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IME, certain ingredients are REALLY bad and cause problems even when used topically, while other ingredients aren't problematic. Not all avoids are equal. Also remember that coconut and avocado oils are only avoids for O secretors- they're perfectly fine (even for consumption) for O non-secretors.

I don't have a problem using coconut oil topically (although I do suspect CO may be OK for me anyway.) But I'm REALLY sensitive to wheat and gluten- if a lotion has wheat or oats in it, I won't touch it (literally!) I noticed gluten reactions from touching things like leftover wheat pasta or washing dishes with breadcrumbs in the dishpan, and I discovered this long before I discovered the BTD. So I don't play games with gluten.

But random  nut or seed oils, that I won't eat because the book tells me not to, yet I never really noticed a problem when I did eat them? I do well with nuts and seeds in general, and I don't see any danger in using those items topically.

If you're really concerned, you could make your own skin care products. My 14yo has been experimenting with that lately- primarily using cocoa butter in combinations with other things, such as water and/or grapeseed oil.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I was experiencing ithcing on my lower legs about two years ago and it was driving me crazy. I was very surprised when I realized it disappeared after I had stopped using a more natural type soap by "Kiss Your Face." Calendula was in the name but I don't know if it was that or another ingredient.

Try changing some of your products (laundry detergent, soaps, creams, etc) just to see.


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I simply use grape seed oil and lavender.....
am a very thrifty lady!!

the genoma line has been godsend!

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Oooh...you know what Dr. Oz says about lavender?


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Quoted from cozzete
Oooh...you know what Dr. Oz says about lavender?


What? I missed that one.

I use grapeseed oil to clean my face..........nothing else. When I use a moisturizer, it's Genoma  

I have found in the past few weeks that something is making my face welp slightly. Haven't been able to pin it down, but I'm suspecting it's just what's in the air. Maybe the alfalfa field across the ditch? Seriously, I wonder about this.



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Lavender has estrogens in it and the "doctors" advise that parents don't let their sons wash their hands with lavender soap as it could make them "feminine"
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Wow, you learn something new everyday!  

Thanks for all the information.  I've been two days now back on the program.  I took that test and it said Genotype, so I'm Hunter.  Not too much different than the standard O BTD anyhow.  

It just flared real bad two nights ago, then I couldn't sleep for sore throat (drainage), and day two of feeling like I've been hit by a bus.....but no leg itch now?  Hum???  Maybe the leg flares were my warning signal, "She's about to blow!" lol!!!

Carolinagirl


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I recall a study aboy boys and lavendar a few years ago. IIRC, the "study" was the case histories og 2-5 boys, all of whom had gynomastia (abnormal breast development), and all of them fully recovered when they stopped using "products containing lavendar and/or tea tree oils". Nowhere did they state what products were used, what other ingredients were in those products, or what products they changed to. Nor did they mention whether or not other changes were made in the boys' diets or environment at the same time.

If this is the only study that's the basis for all these lavendar fears, then I'm not worried.


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Carolina,

I am in exactly in the same place as you regarding the amount of avoids in skincare products...and wondering what on earth to do.

OK, some are worse than others...for example, shampoo and conditioner, as long as you make sure you keep eyes closed and don't swallow it, are probably less of a problem.

But moisturiser and lip balm are a nightmare.  There is NOT ONE moisturiser out there which doesn't, as you say, contain at leas one, or not more avoids.  Nor lip balm.

I'm reduced to using pure almond oil, which is far from satisfactory as it's rather messy , specially on the hands, and tends to transfer to clothes/bedding.  And it doesn't stay long on the lips either.

I'm considering trying to make some of my own, but so far haven't found any recipes anywhere.

And everything is scented with essential oils!!!  OK - so they're natural, but what manufacturers fail to take into account that manyof them contain chemicals (yes, chemicals are products of nature...not just industrially made poisons) which can be irritant.  

For example, there was a study which showed that  2% of the population was sensitive to linalool...contained in a very high percentage of essential oils, and particularly high in lavender - tea tree also contains it.

People on the board have said that topical application is different from eating it, and I agree that putting oil on your feet is probably not going to hurt but if you put an avoid in lip balm, or even moisturiser on your hands, how can you avoid it getting into your digestion?

this issue is something I continue to investigate - and welcome any input from interested parties.
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Hi Eva!

Here is a link a friend recently gave me for home-made cosmetics.  I think several of these could be tweaked.  For example, one called for a little bit of cinnamon which could be deleted.  I think I read somewhere else that O's do better with Olive Oil and to avoid Castor Oil.  

The article also said that many natural products say, "Coconut Derivatives" which is masking 'Sodium Laureth Sulfate.'  Scary.  But back in the 1970's the FDA lifted the ban on how manufacturers have to label their products 'substitutes' or 'imitation.'

As I read that....it causes me to question the Miracle 2 products, as it says ashe of coconut or something like that in the ingredients.  I'm going to investigate that.  

Good luck!  I'm making some home-made facial toner now.  
http://www.lifeinitaly.com/beauty/home-cosmetics.asp


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Hi Eva!

Here is a link a friend recently gave me for home-made cosmetics.  I think several of these could be tweaked.  For example, one called for a little bit of cinnamon which could be deleted.  I think I read somewhere else that O's do better with Olive Oil and to avoid Castor Oil.  

The article also said that many natural products say, "Coconut Derivatives" which is masking 'Sodium Laureth Sulfate.'  Scary.  But back in the 1970's the FDA lifted the ban on how manufacturers have to label their products 'substitutes' or 'imitation.'

As I read that....it causes me to question the Miracle 2 products, as it says ashe of coconut or something like that in the ingredients.  I'm going to investigate that.  

Good luck!  I'm making some home-made facial toner now.  
http://www.lifeinitaly.com/beauty/home-cosmetics.asp


thanks, Carolina.  A good facial toner is good old chamomile tea, cooled down!
or witch hazel - which you should be able to get from the chemist.

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...or witch hazel - which you should be able to get from the chemist.


witch hazel is also excellent for sprains, fingers/toes slammed in doors - things of that nature. Soaking for about 20 min should do the trick.
I have used it for things that got slammed in doors and once when I was wearing those awful acrylic nails, I ripped one of them almost all the way off, just a little bit of skin was still holding it on. It was ripped off down to the raw nail bed. I dipped that finger for one, then 2, then 3 seconds, and on until I could actually soak it in the w/h.  After 20 minutes of soaking, I removed the whole thing w/o shedding a tear. The girls I worked w/ had prev shed a tear or 2 just thinking about my having to remove that. They'd done it too.
So I am never ever w/o witch hazel now. It's just good stuff



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Using avoids topically shouldn't bother anyone.  The skin absorbs less than3% of what is put on it topically, I repeat, the skin absorbs less than 3%  of what is put on it topically.  If you have regular microdermabrasions or use alpha hydroxy acids that number goes up a percent or 2, but from what I read her none of you use them.  

Could you be sensitive or allergic to some avoids topically?  Yes,  and that Yes is equally the same for your neutrals, beneficials and superfoods.

Eva, about a month ago maybe longer, I posted a bunch of home made skin care recipes.  It was posted under genoma skin care.  All of them are tried and true.  I prescribe them to my patients that want all natural skin care products and they love them.


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I have looked everywhere Frosty and can't seem to find those recipes.  Does anyone else know where this information was posted?

Thanks


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I've found that I react to gluten topically- especially in the context of handling WET gluten (leftover kids' pasta dish, or handwashing a dishpan full of dishes with some wheat crumbs in it). I almost always have small cuts on my hands at any given time. I'm sure the absorption rate goes up astronomically when it's getting into a small cut (directly into the blood stream) rather than simply being absorbed into whole, healthy skin.

But I've never noticed a similar reaction to touching dairy products. I've gotten yogurt smushed on cuts, and never had a bad reaction to that. My dairy reactions are much stronger and more obvious (though fortunately more short-lived) than my gluten reactions.  I don't think I have a problem with anything topically other than gluten. These are the only 2 of my "avoids" that I would describe myself as being "allergic" to (although I'm not sure if these are true allergies rather than just strong sensitivities.)

If chocolate is OK for your BT, I'd recomend cocoa butter as a lip balm. Otherwise, beeswax can be melted and blended with any liquid oil to get a consistency you like. Most natural lip balms contain beeswax as part of its base.


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I've found that I react to gluten topically-


funny you say that.......my new ND put wheat germ oil on my big ol liver resection scar when I was there Monday. I didn't know what kind of oil it was beforehand. When he told me, I said "you know I'm allergic to wheat". I said it in a joking manner, but geez. We'd been talking about that. I guess we talked about so much stuff, maybe he forgot OR since he said so, I guess he thinks using it topically won't matter. It was just a tad over 24 hours after I'd been to his office and gotten 'worked over' that I came down sick. Could've been a release of junk, could've been a coincidence too. Oh well.........lots to think about, lots to learn.  



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I think wheat germ oil would basically be vitamin E.  Right?


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Yes, wheat germ oil is naturally high in vitamin E- but there are other sources of vitamin E besides wheat germ. I have some vitamin e oil I got at Trader joe's- it's in a soy oil base, which I wouldn't eat, but dont' have a problem putting on my skin. But wheat germ oil I avoid completely!


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IB, I would venture a guess that you were probably detoxing from the "work over".  Who knows?  You could go and put some wheat germ oil on it now and get back to us in 24 hours.

Yes Ribbit you are correct.  Wheat Germ Oil is Vitamin E in one of it most highest forms.  

The following link is very informative http://www.doctorsresearch.com/prod_wheat.html

After reading the article Wheat Germ Oil seems like a miracle oil.  The website is pretty informative.  Under the Articles tab, Robert Thiel, Ph.D., N.H.D.  has written a very good article worth the time to read.




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IB, I would venture a guess that you were probably detoxing from the "work over".  Who knows?  You could go and put some wheat germ oil on it now and get back to us in 24 hours.


my initial thought was that I was 'detoxing' from the 'work over', too. He seemed to think what I'm dealing w/ would be a pretty strong reaction and not one he's seen. Who knows.
I'll pass on smearing more wheat germ oil on my body.    I am barely functioning now. IF that was it, ohhhhhhhhhhhh, I'd rather not go there             But thanks for the suggestion. HA!!  



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Speaking of skin care, is anybody still doing the "Hair Challenge" from long ago using only baking soda and lemon juice instead of shampoo?  I'm still doing it, though with different results now.  My hair has dried out more (maybe due to pregnancy?).


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Using avoids topically shouldn't bother anyone.  The skin absorbs less than3% of what is put on it topically, I repeat, the skin absorbs less than 3%  of what is put on it topically.  If you have regular microdermabrasions or use alpha hydroxy acids that number goes up a percent or 2, but from what I read her none of you use them.  

Could you be sensitive or allergic to some avoids topically?  Yes,  and that Yes is equally the same for your neutrals, beneficials and superfoods.

Eva, about a month ago maybe longer, I posted a bunch of home made skin care recipes.  It was posted under genoma skin care.  All of them are tried and true.  I prescribe them to my patients that want all natural skin care products and they love them.


Hi Frosty,
yes., I remember those recipes - I printed them all out.  You also mentioned a recipe for a lip balm which you didn't have to hand at the time of posting the others...any chance you might post that for us at some point?
thanks,

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Ribbit,

I couldn't do the shampoo challenge.  I have thick course hair and it would strip the cuticle dry it out beyond belief and break off, no thanks.  The PH is way off to use daily for me.  Baking Soda is a well known stripper used on many back bars in salons. <---(I just read that sentence and it sounds like Baking Soda is a pole dancer in some bar, but that is not what I meant). When clients come in with product build up hair dressers use it to strip and clarify the hair before performing their service, whether that be cutting, perming or coloring it.

The lemon juice is highly acidic as a matter of fact when I was a kid we use to use it to bleach our hair in the summer with it.  We would saturate our hair with the lemon juice and then go lay in the sun.  We would get a tan (for future sun damage and age spots) and have sexy blonde fried hair too.  All summer long we would walk around tan with blonde fried hair.  Oh how our parents couldn't wait for school to start again.

Anyway, do you see where I am going with this?  If your hair is drying out, I would check the PH in your alternative shampoo cocktail.  There really are better alternatives for shampoo out there.


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Eva,

I thought my recipes were on my office computer, but they weren't.  They are in a file somewhere and I need to find them because I make soaps, soy candles, lotion bars and lip balms for Christmas gift shows.

In the mean time I searched the web to find some good recipes and I found three there are comparable to what my recipes are.

Each recipe makes about 6 ounces and I put mine in 1/4 oz tins.  That will make you 24 tins and that makes great gifts to girl friends.  You can always cut the recipe to suit your needs.

LIP BALM Recipes

1 oz beeswax pearls
1 oz cocoa butter
1 oz Shea butter
2 ozs. Sweet almond oil
1-2 teaspoons flavor oil
1 teaspoon vitamin E liquid (optional, as a preservative)

Weigh all ingredients.
In a very small pan, add the beeswax and melt over the lowest setting.
Once melted add the cocoa butter chunks and Shea butter, let melt, and
then add the sweet almond oil.  Heat through.  Add the Vitamin E oil.
Remove from stove and pour into a glass-measuring cup for easy pouring
into lip balm containers.  
Add the flavor oil, or if you would like to make more than one flavor with
this recipe, separate into different glass jars or cups and then add the
flavor oils.  Adjust the amount of flavor oil accordingly.  Stir flavor oils in
and pour into lip balm containers.  If the mixture starts to harden, place in
the microwave for a few seconds to re-melt and then pour.

Recipe makes 6 ozs
This lip balm leaves a smooth, non-greasy feeling and will not cake on your lips

Natural Peppermint Lip Balm Recipe
This lip balm recipe is totally refreshing and leaves a slight gloss on your lips...you'll love it!

Weigh all ingredients
1 oz beeswax pearls
1 oz cocoa butter
1 oz mango butter
1 oz. sunflower oil
1/2 oz. almond oil
1/2 oz. jojoba oil
1 teaspoon coconut oil (any kind)
1-2 teaspoons peppermint essential oil
5-10 drops rosemary oil extract (ROE)


Follow the directions from above.  Recipe makes 6 ozs.


Olive Oil Lip Balm Recipe   
This lip balm recipe coats your lips with a protective layer of wonderful
olive oil (the miracle oil).

Weigh all ingredients.
2 oz olive butter
1 oz olive oil
1 oz candelilla wax or beeswax
1 oz cocoa butter
5-10 drops of Vitamin E (Tocopherol)
5-10 drops rosemary oil extract (ROE)
1-2 teaspoons total of ginger essential and grapefruit essential oil


Follow the directions from above.  Recipe makes 6 ozs.


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