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eva b.
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I haven't been able to find any references to this topic, and wonder if anyone can enlighten me, please, as to what the community official thinking  is on this.

I have some serious dental work in progress, and among other things my dentist has recommended is a very high strength fluoride toothpaste to help de-sensitise the root surfaces (receding gums) and prevent further decay.

I have to say, it DOES work, in that the pain is gone...but....there is so much controversy about fluoride in general it does worry me using this stuff.  I know you're not swallowing it, but inevitably a small amount is bound to get down the digestive tract sooner or later.

Anyone have any views/experiences on this?

thanks in advance.
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Hi eva,
My perspective has changed over the years.  My city does not add fluoride to water, and also the town I grew up in had water with no fluoride.  I consider this a good thing, because I don't want to be consuming this substance.

However, I have struggled with tooth decay all my life, as have both my children.  I do not eat any dessert foods containing added sugar, honey, maple syrup.  I don't eat dried fruits anymore.  I brush very well and using the techniques taught by a holistic dental hygienist.  I floss everyday.  Even with all this, my last exam showed several cavities.  

I accepted a tube of prescription strength fluoride toothpaste from the dentist earlier this month, and I'm using it several times a week, leaving it on my teeth while I shower, then rinsing it off.  It's worth a try.  Non secretors seem to  struggle more with decay, so I realize I need to do something different than what I have been doing.  



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have you had your secretor test done yet?


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Fluoride kills nerves.  That in itself is enough to make me not want to use it.  My dentist said the same thing, and gave me prescription-strength toothpaste that I was supposed to apply to the teeth and just leave on.  I said, "So in essence, I'm killing the nerve endings in the teeth."  He chuckled, "....Uh, yeah."  I didn't use it.  Over time, I am very happy to say (and I totally attribute this to my diet), my teeth have healed and the cavities don't hurt now.  They used to hurt even after being drilled and filled.


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Fluoride really bad for thyroid and your health have read several articles on it but don't remember where. Sick of using very sugary toothpastes even healthy organic ones have losts of sugar and very hard to find fluoride free. Made my own last night with equal amounts of sea salt and baking soda and added some clove oil. Not very tasty but my teeth fell really clean better than 6 months cleaning at dentist. Think I will cut back on the salt next time.


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Quoted from Lola
http://www.google.com/custom?q.....itesearch=dadamo.com

are you sure you are a secretor?
have you had your secretor test done yet?


yes, Lola, I have had a secretor test done when I first got into the BTD, and it was by NAP so it must be correct.

I may have auto-immune issues which are currently being investigated by a rheumatologist, I've had loads of blood tests done and am awaiting the results - maybe a connection?
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I have some serious dental work in progress, and among other things my dentist has recommended is a very high strength fluoride toothpaste to help de-sensitise the root surfaces (receding gums) and prevent further decay.


You might find this site helpful.
http://www.cleanwhiteteeth.com


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My own desire to find answers for my family's dental health needs led me to the following:

Xylitol is helpful to kill the bacteria that causes cavities and gum disease.  I get about 4 small doses of xylitol applied directly to my teeth each day, 5 minutes each.  I brush with xylitol toothpaste upon waking (before eating) and just before bed.  I floss daily.  I use xylitol a few more times a day.  Unfortunately, all the commercial mints and gum have an avoid, gum arabic.  You can make your own rinse or mints to avoid the gum arabic.  

Xylitol raises the pH of the mouth making it less hospitable to the bacteria that causes trouble.  

Some dentists in the UK offer ozone treatment for halting decay in the mouth.   Ozone treatment is available in the US in a few places.  We traveled quite far to have this treatment.    

Dr. D'Adamo has many ways to boost your dental health:

Eating vegetables for your type, taking Polyflora, supplementing with ARA are all helpful.

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You might find this site helpful.
http://www.cleanwhiteteeth.com


thanks, md, I had a look at this but found it a little confusing...they don't seem to offer an actual product for cleaning the teeth - they suggest Crest toothpaste and a mouthwash containing fluoride !...will have to google a bit further, I think.
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My own desire to find answers for my family's dental health needs led me to the following:

Xylitol is helpful to kill the bacteria that causes cavities and gum disease.  I get about 4 small doses of xylitol applied directly to my teeth each day, 5 minutes each.  I brush with xylitol toothpaste upon waking (before eating) and just before bed.  I floss daily.  I use xylitol a few more times a day.  Unfortunately, all the commercial mints and gum have an avoid, gum arabic.  You can make your own rinse or mints to avoid the gum arabic.  

Xylitol raises the pH of the mouth making it less hospitable to the bacteria that causes trouble.  

Some dentists in the UK offer ozone treatment for halting decay in the mouth.   Ozone treatment is available in the US in a few places.  We traveled quite far to have this treatment.    

Dr. D'Adamo has many ways to boost your dental health:

Eating vegetables for your type, taking Polyflora, supplementing with ARA are all helpful.

Select your blood type here to find your unique Polyflora blend:

Polyflora O
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT003O

Polyflora A
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT003A

Polyflora B
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT003B

Polyflora AB
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT003AB

ARA Larch Powder (100 grams)
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP001

ARA Larch Powder (1 pound)
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP025

ARA Plus (90 capsules)
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP004


thanks for this Vicki - I've never heard of xylitol...in what form do you use it for cleaning your teeth, and where do you get it from?  does it come as a toothpase or what?

we're a bit in the dark ages in the UK as far as dentistry is concerned, I'm afraid.
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you can usually find xylitol at a health food store.

you can also get flouride naturally from tea and some other things (forget what at this moment). wouldn't it be better to put maybe a wet green tea bag on the problem teeth? just thinking outloud.



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I've been studying all the info posted, and doing research, and am even more confused than ever.

Does anyone know whether Dr D has a view on the use of fluoride toothpaste, or not?

When I discussed the subject with my dentist, he said brushing with a mixture of sea salt and bicarb of soda was too abrasive...am getting very frustrated as to what to do for the best, as I dont want to poison myself - neither do I want to lose all my teeth
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http://www.amazon.com/Jason-Na.....76C/ref=pd_sbs_hpc_3

this is what I use. It does have carageenan, some sort of aloe, and orange oil as the last ingred, but since I'm not eating it, I don't worry about it. No flouride

Ingredients: Calcium carbonate, glycerin (vege), aqua (purified spring water), sodium cocoyl glutamate, carrageenan, Ester-C calcium ascorbate (vitamin C), Ester-C magnesium ascorbate (vitamin C), Ester-C sodium ascorbate (vitamin C), Ester-C zinc ascorbate (vitamin C), aloe barbadensis gel*, sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), bambusa arundinacea (bamboo powder), ascorbic acid (vitamin C), stevioside, perilla frutescens japanica (perilla seed extract), silica, citrus grandis (grapefruit seed extract), menthol, mentha viridis (peppermint oil), zeylanicum cinnamomum (cinnamon oil), citrus arantium dulcis (orange oil). *Certified organic



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An idea.   My dental health improved dramatically when I got my stomach and digestive tract sorted out finally.
I think its hard to get your teeth and mouth clean if they are connected to something which is not in good condition


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..My dental health improved dramatically when I got my stomach and digestive tract sorted out finally.


ahh yes........I noticed my teeth were cleaner when I was 100% compliant. Also cleanings......what a breeze!



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When I discussed the subject with my dentist, he said brushing with a mixture of sea salt and bicarb of soda was too abrasive..


Maybe it is too abrasive on teeth constantly damaged and weakened by Coke and Twinkies.  But for healthy teeth strengthened by good food, it seems like it should be alright.


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My flouride rant begins with the present state of the environment and a comment I recall Dr. D  posting. I believe the notion was that there is an abundance of flouride in and out of everything around us at this point. Think of flouride as background noise. This was not always the case. Human activities have created this background noise. Some serious  problems were cited early on when flouride first became detected in situation where the concentrations were toxic.
There still seems to be an industrial need to keep flouride use by humans for dental purposes and the research I have done would indicate that there is still an enormous amount of this stuff that still needs to be gotten rid of by industry. What better way than to sell it by the ton? My evaluation is that we are being scammed and our children are at risk the most. The protoscientist scientists that O.K.ed flouride for public health  (as in water supply) years ago have since  been discredited but no one seem to mind. Flouride has been shown to contribute to lowering the I.Q. much as lead can do. (deadens the nerves eh?) Complex behavioral disorders also have been indicated. For those of us grown and reaching the point in our lives when our teeth finally need more attention it now seems that flouride can really agravate gingivitis if not actually be the cause of it. I use a product called Bloodroot extract as a kind of topical brushing finish before rinsing. I am careful not to swallow it. The issue of abrasives is of some critical importance. Even the brush you choose can do more harm than good. If your teeth are still alive they should still respond to really good nutrition.
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you can also get flouride naturally from tea and some other things (forget what at this moment). wouldn't it be better to put maybe a wet green tea bag on the problem teeth?


The down side to this is tea stains the teeth. This is not really a problem for the teeth, but many find the staining unsightly.

My dental hygeniest goes to a lot of work to get rid of my 'tea stains'-probably wearing down the tooth enamel in an attempt to make the teeth white and clean looking.


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Maybe it is too abrasive on teeth constantly damaged and weakened by Coke and Twinkies.  But for healthy teeth strengthened by good food, it seems like it should be alright.


I met a woman years ago who was in her 80's and had perfect teeth. She said 'baking soda' when I asked what she used.  I've been using it ever since. Cheap too..
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your gums need some gentle massage ...pick up a $40.00 hand held waterpik at your local drug store and use it three times a day and your gums will be very happy


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There are some great ideas in this thread.  I like the idea of a water pik, and have never tried one.  I'd love to hear some more feedback from folks who have experience with them.

I find baking soda and salt to be very cleansing, good for removing stains, great for gum health, but extremely abrasive.  My teeth become way overly sensitive after about 3 consecutive days of using either one.  I'll use them every 3 or 4 days, and do fine with that.  They can be dissolved into water and used as a rinse, also.

My approach is to rotate cleansers:  fluoride toothpaste occasionally, a couple of different tooth soaps, used before bed a couple of times a week, tooth powder used several times a week, a couple of other natural toothpastes used a couple of times a week . . etc.



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