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O so positive
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i am an O non secretor and I have been following the blood type and now the geno type diet since 2000. I also exercise about 5 days a week.   I have celiac disesase and secondary hypothyroidism.  I have been struggling to lose about 15 pounds.  Does any have any suggestions?


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Do you keep track of what you are eating? Even on the diet I sometimes find myself leaning towards becoming a "starchatarian", ie I have to pay attention and the old rule calories in vs calories out still applies.


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I do track my intake, but do tend to gravitate to grains .  Do you watch your fat intake as well?  How many calories a day should I be eating?  


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I have been following the blood type and now the geno type diet since 2000.

add your GT to your shield for all to see and give you more targeted advice, pls.


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I am a Gatherer, I just can't find where I add that to my profile.  


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how to
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

you already added it on the bottom of your signature line, fine!

check out the whole thread if you want to add it under your shield.


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I just googled "calorie intake" and found this http://www.csgnetwork.com/caloriesfemalecalc.html
looks interesting.
I don't count calories myself, I try to listen to what my body is asking for and I seem to do pretty well, but if I were having a weight issue I would use something like this calculator. I don't need much fat as an A, I'm not sure about Os so I will let one of them answer that.


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Thanks for the info, I will check it out


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I am not convinced on calorie intake. Particularly for a Gatherer, they are very thrifty so if you reduce calories the Gatherer will hold on to more. "He who has the most wins"
So I would think more about your health issues and how they effect  weight.
People have talked quite a bit about healing prior to weight loss.
Those diamond foods should put you on the right track. The smallest avoid in a prepared food can make all the difference in the world.

Keeping a diet/food journal might be a good start.


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What kind of exercise do you do?  I found that I lose if I exercise regularly, and need to have some longer exercise sessions, like more than a 30 minute walk for example.  Which grains do you eat?  I was focusing on quinoa for a couple of days, as a breakfast cereal and in pilaf with tuna.  Those days I really seemed to drop weight.  Usually I eat rice as a grain...but it seems to keep my weight stable.  
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Keeping a diet/food journal might be a good start.


This is a good idea, and I forgot to say that I think it is a bad idea to let yourself get really hungry, eat something, maybe a few walnuts an hour or so before a meal; takes the edge off.


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I'm an O and I find that I lose weight better on mostly meat and veggies, maybe one starchy veggie serving a day.  Grains I would normally cut out except that my dr has me eating oatmeal everyday.  I track my food intake and calories on sparkpeople.  It really helps to know where you are on your calories and such.

Don't get too hungry before meals like samy said.  It's very bad and a person tends to overeat that way.


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The only thing that the oatmeal is providing is fiber, many other things on the O list provide fiber.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/394340/fast_metabolizers_who_eat_oatmeal_may.html



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I do track my intake, but do tend to gravitate to grains .  Do you watch your fat intake as well?  How many calories a day should I be eating?  


You don't need to count calories on the genotype diet, but you do need to take the portion and frequency recommendations to heart.  Also, for successful weightloss, focus on diamonds and superfoods.  Sometimes people can get bogged down in the neutral category and that can keep you in neutral gear  .

Millet and quinoa are helpful for gatherers.  Basmati rice and oats can be ok, but not as good for bringing the weight to normal, in my opinion.  My daughter has had very good luck also with the addition of chia seeds to her daily smoothie, and CLA, which Dr. D sells for  Gatherers in the BTD store.



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The only thing that the oatmeal is providing is fiber, many other things on the O list provide fiber.




When I eat oatmeal I'm hungry a few hours later steel cut oats are a little bit better. I usually try to add walnuts and fruits etc. to keep it from being metabolized so fast.


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Thanks for the suggestions, someone mentioned exercise.  I jog about 3-5 miles a day and do strenght training as well. I guess that is why I can't understand not losing. But I have cut my calories back to about a 1000 to 1100 a day, maybe that is why? Not enough fuel for the body.  The walnuts is a good idea, it should always keep me burning.  thanks so much for the advice.


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When I eat oatmeal I'm hungry a few hours later steel cut oats are a little bit better. I usually try to add walnuts and fruits etc. to keep it from being metabolized so fast.



I took this directly from the link I provided..


"If you've experienced hypoglycemia after eating oatmeal, you may want to switch to millet or brown rice. Millet is the only "alkalinizing" grain. I find that a combination of brown rice, or millet, with two eggs scrambled in while the grain is heating and then adding super food, that includes chlorella and spirulina, plus ground flax seed, works well for me and curbs my appetite until lunch time, which is usually around two o-clock. "


So oatmeal is not an ideal food for O's.



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But I have cut my calories back to about a 1000 to 1100 a day, maybe that is why? Not enough fuel for the body.


Not sure what you mean.. cut your calories.. then not enough fuel for your body?
Concentrated sources of foods..



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sun be nim mentioned not cutting calories to low.  is 1000 to 1100 to little for the body and it stops burning fat for a gatherer?


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We do not know what your height and age are so it is difficult for us to know what your caloric intake should be.  If you do not eat enough, then your body goes into the starvation mode and tries to hang on to the fat.  Also keep in mind that muscle weighs more than fat, so you might be in the OK range considering that.  Park Districts, Fitness centers, health Fairs, etc will measure your % body fat and tell you what a healthy range is for you.  

I decided to lose 15 lbs.  Ive been losing lb a week.  Now that I only have 2 more pounds to go, I think Ill go down another 5 lbs.  That was what I did 8 years ago, then stabilized at 5 lbs more until I twisted my knee last March and couldnt exercise for months, so gained 15 lbs.

I kept a food log which made me realize it was my portion sizes and # of servings that were my problem.  I also know that without exercise, Im doomed.


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Hip to waist ratio is very important.


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Dr. Oz says, height in inches divided by two should be maximum waist size. Too few calories will put anyone into starvation mode. Most average females need about 1800 calories a day depending on exercise (which is very important).
P.S. post-menopausal women are no longer producing the same amount of testosterone and tend to loose muscle, need to do those weights!


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If  you are a nonnie,  you should eat fewer grains. 1,100 calories is waaaaaay too low. Concentrate on health, not calories. Eat more often, if possible.
Maybe you need to do the GT if you aren't doing so.  Stick around here for more ideas.
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Red Lilac, You asked my age and height.  I am 5 foot 9 in tall and am 36 years old. I am with in my weight range but on the high end.  I would like to just drop down to the lower end of that range.   I have exercised all my life and probably do have a good amount of muscle.  You are right the calorie amount does seem too low.  Maybe I have put myself in starvation mode?  I run a lot so I probably am not putting enough fuel in my body.  Thanks for all your input


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Thanks for being willing to hear what we are saying!


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O so Positive:  Let us know if getting off the starvation mode helped.


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The scale has always driven me crazy, so now I go by my lean body weight plus 20%.  I am 61.5 inches tall (5 foot 1.5 inches) and my lean body weight is about 117-118.5.  All the height and weight charts basically say that the max I should weigh is 132 lbs with a so called large athletic frame.

Now if we do the math on this, if I go for a 20% body fat weight 118/.8, I should weigh 148 lbs.   Now if I try for an athletic fat and still keep my period, let's say 15%, I should weigh about 139 lbs.  132 lbs is about 9% which is not enough to sustain periods.

I presently weigh 152 lbs, down from 177 last May.  I would like to be between 148 and 142 which would take me to between 17 and 20 % body fat which is about 4% less than what is considered normal for females.

Now, I know I will not have cut muscles, but I will have good definition and hopefully little or no muffin top at my "hopeful" weight.  

So how to get there, everything I have been reading lately says, keep the calories up around 1800 so you don't go into starvation mode, but in order to burn fat, you must absolutely stop the same pace aerobics and start interval, anaerobic training.

I have been doing this by sprinting on my rowing machine for 30 second intervals for 5 minutes, go down to a fast clip, then sprint for set of 5 minute intervals doing this for at least 22 minutes.  I have also found I need to lift 60% of my maximum in weights for quick sets with only 10 seconds of rest in between sets.  Since I have started interval training, I have lost about 12 lbs of body fat quickly.  (Since May, I have put on 10 lbs of muscle, so I have lost 35 lbs of body fat.)

The reason anaerobic conditioning works found researchers at a University in Eastern Canada is the sprint phase actually burns the sugars in the blood (suprisingly blood tests revealed the burning of the sugars kept going throughout the day).  They compared against long distance runners who don't do numerous full intensity sprints in their workouts and found the long distance runners didn't not burn the circulating sugars!!!!

So O so positive, try getting your lean body weight tested and work from there to see if you need to build muscle, lose body fat and how much.  This is much more accurate than the evil scale!!!!

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O so Positive:  Let us know if getting off the starvation mode helped.


In repsonse to my weight question:  I have been eating all diamond/beneficial foods for 2 weeks and more of them.  I am probably eating at least 1500 calories a day, but have not really been counting.  Just making sure they are not avoids and about 80% beneficial.  I have lost 4 pounds in about 2.5 weeks .

Definitely getting results.  I am still a little nervous about eating so much more but it is working so I am going with it.  I just don't always know what to eat for snacks that will sustain me.  Any suggestions.


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I'm not an O, but I tend to snack yogurt, veggies, or whole fruit





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Is it ok for A's to have regular yogurt, not soy?  I tried one brand of soy yogurt and didn't like it.  

I've been on this diet for 4 days now, doing alright, might have had some cereal with some of the wrong oils in it, but it was organic and healthy.  I just wanted to finish the box and not throw it away!

Please let me know if there are any A-friendly store-bought snacks available.  I have given up my beloved cheetoes (I know, Bad Bad!).  I think I can have guacamole, but what about the tortilla chips?  I am already getting sick of almonds.  I used to eat whole grain crackers with cheddar and a slice of apple - now can't have the cheddar, can't have the cracker...

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try the typebase button when in doubt about a food value!
yogurt is fine!
check ingredients when purchasing a product.
learn to substitute your favorite meals with compliant produce.

try the recipe button as well, for ideas!


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Thanks, I will rely on the typebase.  Will check out our local health food store tomorrow, looking for A-friendly crackers and such.  Hopefully I will learn to replace my unhealthy munchies with healthy ones.  I'm able to resist right now, because I'm rather obsessed with this new diet, but I know that will wear off and I need something healthy (but satisfying) to fall back on.
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Lola,

thanks - I will look for those, and order them if I can't find in the stores.  Now, for cheese?  What would you recommend?

By the way, so proud of myself, newbie that I am - I made a salad for supper with the lemon olive oil recipe and made my own croutons with ezekiel bread, olive oil and garlic salt.  Go me!  (I know, that's pathetic!)
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I would genotype myself, you may turn out to be a Teacher and get lots of great cheese, then no need to  stop eating it at all.


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Andrea,

I am thinking about that - how do I go about it?  (I told you I don't know what I'm doing!)
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Thanks - will try to research the genotype diet tomorrow and go to the health food store.  (Wish I didn't have pesky things like work taking up so much of my time...)
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O So Positive: That's sensational news. 2.5 pounds. Nice going

As you've mentioned, the calorie intake question is most probably a fairly moot point (1500 is fine and you could easily go to 1700 without too much drama I'd guess - not knowing your current height, weight, etc) but I'll tell you what isn't a moot point, particularly for us O's. It's the right protein, carb, fat ratio. If you want to remain in weight loss mode, then try to organise your meals (and thus your daily intake) around a 50% protein, 40% carbs, 10% fat intake. It will be next to impossible unless you're a competing body builder to get this 10% fat ratio right but don't worry about that, just use it as a target. 20% ok, 30% not. The essential thing is keeping the protein intake higher than the carb intake. This will facilitate the growth of new lean muscle and keep existing (and new) muscle metabolically active to burn fat. End result, weight loss and lots of admiring attention  

One rider to this. Don't sacrifice carbs just to get protein or you'll lose energy. That is don't think that more protein means better. You still have to have the carbs to run the body. The protein is for building the body.

As for snacks, this is always an O conundrum. A very small handful of nuts is good, a piece of fruit also, a protein shake between meals, but for that "I need to replace a biscuit with something similar" type snack, well, that becomes a bit harder. The best bet is to go through the recipes on the site, or use existing recipes you already know and replace ingredients with beneficials, and make yourself some good munchy snacks like biscuits and cakes with compliant flour for example. Not the best solution I'll admit but it definately satisfies the desires and you at least know it's not full of "unfriendlies". Just don't eat heaps of them.  


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Go anniepeyton!!!! I just started as well. I am having trouble finding snacks that are easy to bring to work. I am just reading and beginning my journey on the genotype diet-you can get the book from the library or any book store. Then go through the list, that's what I'm doing. Popping on these forums are a big help.

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Hi Lorraine & Annie, welcome aboard

You;ll find lots of good info here for A's and particularly snack ideas. You guys seem to  have that market cornered.  

Look up the recipes tab or use the search facility to get some of your questions answered and before you know it you'll be adding your own words of wisdom.

This is the place to be for health and well-being. You're in good company.  


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It's the right protein, carb, fat ratio. If you want to remain in weight loss mode, then try to organise your meals (and thus your daily intake) around a 50% protein, 40% carbs, 10% fat intake. It will be next to impossible unless you're a competing body builder to get this 10% fat ratio right but don't worry about that, just use it as a target. 20% ok, 30% not.


Azzap I guess this is not % of calories     BUT % of food or
the 10 % would be low fat BIG time!!

When I want to keep my weight I eat:
25 % Protein, 40-45 % carbs and 30- 35 % fat  all % of CALORIES
losing weight :
about 20 % carbs, 25-30  % Protein and 40-50 % fat
The funny thing is that naturally my calories go down when I eat my low carb/high fat diet - only around 1500-1700 to keep me full
- while normally I should have around 2400.



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Yes HB, that is percentage of calories. Like I said, 10% for fat is next to impossible unless you are particularly "particular" about your food. And it's not good for long term of course but that's what body builders do when they're getting ready for competition. It is however, easier to keep it at a low percentage than you may think as long as you are writing down what you eat and recording the relevant amounts of protein, carbs and fat etc.

The thing that amazed me when I started writing my intake down (and I only did it for 2 weeks just to see) was that it became clearly evident that my ratios were way off target (when I actually thought they were pretty good) and that it didn't take much tweaking to change the equation. Soon I had it at 45% protein, 35% carbs and 20% fat and the body was loving it (dropped a kilo and a half in a week and reduced body water). That has since stayed off and has reduced further as a result of keeping my intake at these levels.

As a B, you might do better on higher carbs, but as an O, carbs are not our friend when it comes to weight loss (necessary for energy though) so targeting 50%, 40% , 10% as a guide is a good way to go. The reality is, it will most probably be like my intake at the 45%, 35%, 20% ratio. The bottom line though, is that as long as the protein is higher than the carbs, the weight loss will continue (provided you don't bombard the system with fat of course). You and I both know that O's and B's can function well with higher levels of fat but I would rather eat a 30 gram piece of meat (120 calories) than 13 grams of fat (120 calories) because the meat is better for me and makes me less hungry.  


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To be honest I dont think that 10 %  fat from caloris is healthy for ANY bT
no offence- but fat is really important - the right fat for the right BT/GT

Low fat- no matter if it is with high carbs or protein makes me sad, irritated,headache dry skin,foggy headed and I stop having regular periods
  I have been there - never again!!!

The best thing I ever did apart from BTD was to get more fat - for YEARS I tried to stay below 20% -and it never did me any good.
and now I loose weight even with around 90-100 grams fat pr day- I go for same grams fat as protein.
my aim for both is 70-90 grams.
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To be honest I dont think that 10 %  fat from caloris is healthy for ANY bT
no offence- but fat is really important - the right fat for the right BT/GT


A's do pretty well on low fat as long as it is the right fat. I don't watch fat intake anymore, but when I did (pre BTD, always trying to loose five pounds) I was never tired and had lots of energy on a very low fat diet, but yuck, like these foods much better.
I don't know about GT, I'm just learning about them .


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I agree with needing the fat. I am an O nonnie so carbs really bother me.  I find if I eat vegies, and protien for meal and keep carbs for snacks ( around 70 grams a day)  I am good.  But if the fats go to low I just don't feel right.


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A's do pretty well on low fat as long as it is the right fat. I don't watch fat intake anymore, but when I did (pre BTD, always trying to loose five pounds) I was never tired and had lots of energy on a very low fat diet, but yuck, like these foods much better.
I don't know about GT, I'm just learning about them .


Even for an A - 10 % fat from calories would be extremely low imho-
you could eat an egg - maybe some nut and maybe 1 tsp oil - the rest would have to be non fat .

I think it is very unnatural to eat low fat- Man has alway wanted the fat- gives them easy energy, makes their hormones balance , helps them break down certain vitamins. Even ancient man would eat the fatty parts of the animal like the brain, bone marrow- fat around liver etc before eating the rest of the lean meat= Stone age man did not eat low fat -
- what matters is the type of fat !

When I ate low fat I ate all the wrong fats; corn oil, lots of safflower and sesameoil
but I was still low fat and pretty high carb-just like the doc tells us to be.
BUT I was sick, sad and fat ! and my cholesterol numbers was borderline high.

Now I am never sick, happy and chubby   loosing weight slowly - but still eating my body/ghee  and plenty of eggs - but suddenly my cholesterol numbers are perfect .


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After reading this thread, I might need to look at my protein/carb/fat ratio.

I've been on BTD for 6 years now and my weight has been fine..... until 2 months ago, gained about 6 lbs??!!  

Question for azzap (please  ), is this how you calculate the protein/carb/fat ratio:  keep track of what you eat, weigh it and plug in the amounts?  

So.... for lunch today I ate ground beef patty, small head of romaine w/olive oil and lemon and 2 squares of bittersweet chocolate.  The calculation would be: ground beef weighs 4 oz but it has 5% fat so that's 3.8oz in the protein column and .20 in the fat column.  Not sure what the romaine weighed but lets say 4 oz (carb column) and the olive oil weighed 2 oz and the chocolate 2 oz (1.5oz in carb column and .5 in fat column).  That all equals 12 oz of food which = 3.8 oz (32%) protein, 5.5oz carb (46%) and 2.7 oz fat (23%).  This means I need to eat more protein!


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yea, you're right HB, that would only be about 23 grams of fat a day for me, that's not much, I'm sure I eat WAY more than that a day.


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Just to clarify. The 10% fat ratio is a target only. Unless you're some kind of fat measuring freak the likelihood is that is will never be reached. But if you "aim" for 10%, you're more likely to hit 20%-25%. If you aim for 20%, the likelihood is you'll reach 30%-35%. Understand?.

Fat is one of those things that just creeps into the diet far too easily so if you aim really low, you're more than likely going to have a better shot at keeping it to a realistic level. As always, if something doesn't feel right, you adjust it to suit yourself. HB, if you do better on more fat then you'd be mad not to include more fat. I get by on 20% no problem (although I find this is hard to acheive consistently - some days I do better, some day worse, it all evens out in the end  ). Another O friend of mine needs 30% just to be able to think clearly. It's all individual. So again, the 10% is just a target, nothing more. You'll find that having it as a target also helps you to match the protein carb ratio too because you start looking for the foods that have a higher protein content and a lower fat content. Therefore, by becoming conscious of the amount of fat in the food, you start making better protein choices. Of course the opposition point to that is, particularly for O's and B's, is that you don't sacrifice fat for fat's sake because in a lot of cases we are talking essential fatty acids which are an absolute must (for weight loss and brain function). So for example you wouldn't forsake flaxseed just because it's relatively high in fat as a percentage. There are more benefits to be had from including it than excluding it. It's the classic saturated fats etc that we're talking about here. The things that keep weight on and don't promote lean muscle tissue growth.

Remember, this explanation started as a means to describe a way to keep the fat/weight burning process going. The key point is that protein needs to be higher than carbs to facilitate that (in most cases, and particularly for O's). Again, the lower fat percentage is just a target to help keep the other 2 percentages high.

Kathleen: You're using ounces but I'll use grams because that's easier for me. The calculation works per food item (although once you've combined all your foods it could be the same I guess). So, if a piece of food, let's say steak, had 200 calories, 30 grams of protein, 0 grams carbs and 6 grams of fat then the first thing you do is convert all the grams to calories so 30x4 (each gram of protein has 4 calories), therefore 120, 0 x 4 (carbs has the same 4 calories per gram) and 6 x 9 (fat has 9 calories per gram = 54 calories). Your percentages would be 120/200 = 60%, carbs 0%, fat = 27%. You do this for each piece of food with the objective of creating the 50%, 40% 10% (yeah yeah i know  ) ratio. The fact is, it's hard to do that for every meal but if at the end of the day after ALL your meals you can acheive this ratio then you've had a successful day.  

There is one rule that lives behind any type of food intake, measurement process, eating style, cooking style, whatever, and that is, "how does it make you feel?". If it doesn't feel good, don't do it. Adjust whatever you're doing to suit your own situation.

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Now I am one of these people who dont even think that saturated fat is bad for Os and Bs I think actually it is quite healthy
Os can enjoy  alot of saturated fat from meat and Bs from dairy

BUT peace to all - do whatever feels great for you  


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Saturated fat turns me into the michellin man  

Maybe it's a non-secretor thing but my body doesn't tolerate saturated fat well at all. From a digestive point of view it's not so bad. That is to say, I don't get any tummy upsets or anything like that, but it just goes straight to the love handles.  

I'm not pedantic about trimming fat from meat (unless there's a lot of it but I try to buy the best cuts I can) because it makes it more palatable and easier to swallow, but I try my best to keep other fats out of my diet except for the necessary ones. If I don't do that it's blimpo man for me.


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azzap, thank you so much for explaining the protein/carbo/fat calculation!!!!     I had forgotten that calories need to be in the equation.  Since my weight increase, I've been cutting down on protein and eating more carbs, good ones like low glycemic veggies not grains.  This might be why I can't lose those extra pounds, my ratios are off.  I will begin a food log and see where I'm at.  


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We'll be interested to see what your percentages were at the beginning of the log and what they are after say 2 weeks and how the difference has made a difference to you?

Also it would be good to see how you changed the percentages by including or excluding foods etc.

your assignment starts....now  

Just a point too, for myself, I find that the actual calorie count is not so much a problem (unless it's mucho excessive) but the ratios seem oh so important in fighting the fat demon.


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I have read that sugar is ok for A's, but if I want to lose weight, I think for now I should stick with splenda.  Have seen recipes that call for Tubinado sugar - same calories as sugar, as far as I can tell.  What is the advantage over plain sugar?  Also, how is the taste?

Same question for ghee?  What is the advantage over a canola or olive oil spread?
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splenda should be best avoided
splenda contains maltodextrin which i am pretty
sure is derived from corn,

http://www.splendasickness.blogspot.com/
http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com/
sucralose, is an artificial sweetener which is a
chlorinated sucrose derivative.


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splenda should be best avoided
splenda contains maltodextrin which i am pretty
sure is derived from corn,

http://www.splendasickness.blogspot.com/
http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com/
sucralose, is an artificial sweetener which is a
chlorinated sucrose derivative.


What do you recommend?  Real sugar?  I like the idea of consuming all natural foods, but want to cut calories too.
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splenda should be best avoided
splenda contains maltodextrin which i am pretty
sure is derived from corn,.


It depends on your Genotype. Dr. D has sucralose as a neutral for me.  I use it sparingly but I try to avoid artificial sweetners.  I found a new one that even Lola might approve of... Truvia. It's mostly stevia.
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splenda kills the gut bacteria that is essential to vitamin absorption, so cure one thing and cause other problems.

I will ask the question, what is the sugar/sweetener for?
Then we can recommend alternatives for those purposes. I suspect you are not making a cake, .
Cutting calories is   , not a good idea.

Dr. D never talks about restricting calories anywhere in his books that I can find (lloyd will find it if it is there).

but he does talk about 4-5 servings at least of vegetables for A's, Wow.. now that is calorie smart not restrictive.


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Dr. D never talks about it anywhere in his books that I can find (lloyd will find it if it is there). .


Would you like to see my SWAMI?      It's a neutral.  Dr. D has aspartame listed as an avoid.
I'll scan it and email it right now. I'm also pretty sure that if Dr. D didn't speak about it anywhere, Lloyd won't find it...lol
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I don't eat tons of sweets, but I like a little sugar in my coffee and would like to make some A friendly breakfast muffins, that wouldn't be too fattening.  Lately, instead of sugar in my coffee, I've been using vanilla soy milk as a creamer and sweetener.  I guess there's probably a good bit of sugar in that, I haven't looked!  
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Would you like to see my SWAMI?      It's a neutral.  Dr. D has aspartame listed as an avoid.
I'll scan it and email it right now. I'm also pretty sure that if Dr. D didn't speak about it anywhere, Lloyd won't find it...lol


I was talking about calorie restrition. I have not seen Dr. D talk about it in any of his books, unless someone can find it, that I missed.

I don't doubt your SWAMI . Splenda is not pure sucralose.
Just like the newly marketed Truvia is not pure stevia.


"In addition, the bags and packets of Splenda commercially available are not pure sucralose.  They also contain bulking agents.  All artificial sweeteners use bulking agents.  Do you know what they use?  Sugar.  Dextrose, sucrose, and maltodextrin.  (Maltodextrin is corn syrup solids composed primarily from fructose and glucose in a starch form.)   All sweetener packets are at least 96 percent sugar.  Splenda is 99% sugar."


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I don't eat tons of sweets, but I like a little sugar in my coffee and would like to make some A friendly breakfast muffins, that wouldn't be too fattening.  Lately, instead of sugar in my coffee, I've been using vanilla soy milk as a creamer and sweetener.  I guess there's probably a good bit of sugar in that, I haven't looked!  


Agave  is a good sweetener. Have you tried Barley malt? I think Ribbit likes it.



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Agave  is a good sweetener. Have you tried Barley malt? I think Ribbit likes it.


I just started using agave..my body approves    I have no reaction to it. It's so sweet too.   I'm adding it to my list of sparingly used sweetners. Honey still remains my favorite, followed by maple syrup, and barley malt
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So which tastes better (more like the sugar we're used to), agave or barley malt?
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Buying Agave today - another question - I do not see romano cheese on the typebase, but seem to remember an A-friendly recipe that called for it.  Is it alright for me or not?  I hope so, because I made pesto last night with it.
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I've gotten used to adding no sweetener at all to my teas...each tea has a distinctive flavor of its own which is masked by adding sweetener.  
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Where do I go to get the Swami done?  Is it only if you buy the three months of vitamins?


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yes, that s the promotion.....


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I am so confused, I posted that I had dropped about 4 pounds.  Well I have had a cold for about a week.  ( that is the only thing that is different).  When I weighed myself to day I was right back where I started??? I don't understand why I would fluctuate so much in weight.  I have gone over everything I eat and just about everything has been beneficials.  Can a cold do that to the body?  Any other ideas?


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how s the exercise going?
breaking a sweat on a regular basis is essential for us Os!

gets the lymph moving and our detox pathways!


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I have running about 5 miles four times a week and doing weights on the alternate days.  I have been eating about 2 cups of fruit a day. Do you think it is to much sugar carbs?


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You are trying to hard. First I would not limit calories, not count them. Eat when hungry but eat the right things. Your body will fill you in on what you need as long as you are gravitating towards superfoods and beneficials.

You forgot one of the best, amazing, tools the Gatherer has... The sauana! It burns fat for Gatherers like crazy from what I have seen.

I have several gatherer friends, one has been saunaing a lot to reduce stress and she is looking great. My roommate gatherer eats only millet most of the time, rock climbs, rides his bike fast around town, and saunas. He has a six pack now (pilates helped that a lot). I highly suggest millet, high intensity exercising (add some hill intervals to your workout), and sauna! Then avoid all thoughts about calorie counting.

Gatherers develop muscle like crazy and it makes them very sexy because unless you are doing weight lifting it is just really tone and strong looking. Your body is going to need calories to keep that incredible look you can get.
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why  not take alook at these products and see if they are within your budget.


http://www.4yourtype.com/products.asp?dept=10


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Quoted from anniepeyton
So which tastes better (more like the sugar we're used to), agave or barley malt?


Definitely agave  
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I have running about 5 miles four times a week and doing weights on the alternate days.  I have been eating about 2 cups of fruit a day. Do you think it is to much sugar carbs?


One way to tell is if your triglycerides start going up.  My mom was a fruit lover, an A, and she had high triglycerides. It's the sugar that does it.    Good idea to have blood work done regularly.
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You are trying to hard. First I would not limit calories, not count them. Eat when hungry but eat the right things. Your body will fill you in on what you need as long as you are gravitating towards superfoods and beneficials.

I think your right, I do try to hard.  I will give the sauna a try.  Does a hot tub work as well or just the sauna?  


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Quoted from O so positive
You are trying to hard. First I would not limit calories, not count them. Eat when hungry but eat the right things. Your body will fill you in on what you need as long as you are gravitating towards superfoods and beneficials.

I think your right, I do try to hard.  I will give the sauna a try.  Does a hot tub work as well or just the sauna?  



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