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Just to clarify. The 10% fat ratio is a target only. Unless you're some kind of fat measuring freak the likelihood is that is will never be reached. But if you "aim" for 10%, you're more likely to hit 20%-25%. If you aim for 20%, the likelihood is you'll reach 30%-35%. Understand?.

Fat is one of those things that just creeps into the diet far too easily so if you aim really low, you're more than likely going to have a better shot at keeping it to a realistic level. As always, if something doesn't feel right, you adjust it to suit yourself. HB, if you do better on more fat then you'd be mad not to include more fat. I get by on 20% no problem (although I find this is hard to acheive consistently - some days I do better, some day worse, it all evens out in the end  ). Another O friend of mine needs 30% just to be able to think clearly. It's all individual. So again, the 10% is just a target, nothing more. You'll find that having it as a target also helps you to match the protein carb ratio too because you start looking for the foods that have a higher protein content and a lower fat content. Therefore, by becoming conscious of the amount of fat in the food, you start making better protein choices. Of course the opposition point to that is, particularly for O's and B's, is that you don't sacrifice fat for fat's sake because in a lot of cases we are talking essential fatty acids which are an absolute must (for weight loss and brain function). So for example you wouldn't forsake flaxseed just because it's relatively high in fat as a percentage. There are more benefits to be had from including it than excluding it. It's the classic saturated fats etc that we're talking about here. The things that keep weight on and don't promote lean muscle tissue growth.

Remember, this explanation started as a means to describe a way to keep the fat/weight burning process going. The key point is that protein needs to be higher than carbs to facilitate that (in most cases, and particularly for O's). Again, the lower fat percentage is just a target to help keep the other 2 percentages high.

Kathleen: You're using ounces but I'll use grams because that's easier for me. The calculation works per food item (although once you've combined all your foods it could be the same I guess). So, if a piece of food, let's say steak, had 200 calories, 30 grams of protein, 0 grams carbs and 6 grams of fat then the first thing you do is convert all the grams to calories so 30x4 (each gram of protein has 4 calories), therefore 120, 0 x 4 (carbs has the same 4 calories per gram) and 6 x 9 (fat has 9 calories per gram = 54 calories). Your percentages would be 120/200 = 60%, carbs 0%, fat = 27%. You do this for each piece of food with the objective of creating the 50%, 40% 10% (yeah yeah i know  ) ratio. The fact is, it's hard to do that for every meal but if at the end of the day after ALL your meals you can acheive this ratio then you've had a successful day.  

There is one rule that lives behind any type of food intake, measurement process, eating style, cooking style, whatever, and that is, "how does it make you feel?". If it doesn't feel good, don't do it. Adjust whatever you're doing to suit your own situation.

So as HB says, peace


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Now I am one of these people who donīt even think that saturated fat is bad for Oīs and Bīs I think actually it is quite healthy
Oīs can enjoy  alot of saturated fat from meat and Bīs from dairy

BUT peace to all - do whatever feels great for you  


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Saturated fat turns me into the michellin man  

Maybe it's a non-secretor thing but my body doesn't tolerate saturated fat well at all. From a digestive point of view it's not so bad. That is to say, I don't get any tummy upsets or anything like that, but it just goes straight to the love handles.  

I'm not pedantic about trimming fat from meat (unless there's a lot of it but I try to buy the best cuts I can) because it makes it more palatable and easier to swallow, but I try my best to keep other fats out of my diet except for the necessary ones. If I don't do that it's blimpo man for me.


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azzap, thank you so much for explaining the protein/carbo/fat calculation!!!!     I had forgotten that calories need to be in the equation.  Since my weight increase, I've been cutting down on protein and eating more carbs, good ones like low glycemic veggies not grains.  This might be why I can't lose those extra pounds, my ratios are off.  I will begin a food log and see where I'm at.  


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We'll be interested to see what your percentages were at the beginning of the log and what they are after say 2 weeks and how the difference has made a difference to you?

Also it would be good to see how you changed the percentages by including or excluding foods etc.

your assignment starts....now  

Just a point too, for myself, I find that the actual calorie count is not so much a problem (unless it's mucho excessive) but the ratios seem oh so important in fighting the fat demon.


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I have read that sugar is ok for A's, but if I want to lose weight, I think for now I should stick with splenda.  Have seen recipes that call for Tubinado sugar - same calories as sugar, as far as I can tell.  What is the advantage over plain sugar?  Also, how is the taste?

Same question for ghee?  What is the advantage over a canola or olive oil spread?
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splenda should be best avoided
splenda contains maltodextrin which i am pretty
sure is derived from corn,

http://www.splendasickness.blogspot.com/
http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com/
sucralose, is an artificial sweetener which is a
chlorinated sucrose derivative.


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Quoted from Lola
splenda should be best avoided
splenda contains maltodextrin which i am pretty
sure is derived from corn,

http://www.splendasickness.blogspot.com/
http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com/
sucralose, is an artificial sweetener which is a
chlorinated sucrose derivative.


What do you recommend?  Real sugar?  I like the idea of consuming all natural foods, but want to cut calories too.
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splenda should be best avoided
splenda contains maltodextrin which i am pretty
sure is derived from corn,.


It depends on your Genotype. Dr. D has sucralose as a neutral for me.  I use it sparingly but I try to avoid artificial sweetners.  I found a new one that even Lola might approve of... Truvia. It's mostly stevia.
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splenda kills the gut bacteria that is essential to vitamin absorption, so cure one thing and cause other problems.

I will ask the question, what is the sugar/sweetener for?
Then we can recommend alternatives for those purposes. I suspect you are not making a cake, .
Cutting calories is   , not a good idea.

Dr. D never talks about restricting calories anywhere in his books that I can find (lloyd will find it if it is there).

but he does talk about 4-5 servings at least of vegetables for A's, Wow.. now that is calorie smart not restrictive.


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Dr. D never talks about it anywhere in his books that I can find (lloyd will find it if it is there). .


Would you like to see my SWAMI?      It's a neutral.  Dr. D has aspartame listed as an avoid.
I'll scan it and email it right now. I'm also pretty sure that if Dr. D didn't speak about it anywhere, Lloyd won't find it...lol
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I don't eat tons of sweets, but I like a little sugar in my coffee and would like to make some A friendly breakfast muffins, that wouldn't be too fattening.  Lately, instead of sugar in my coffee, I've been using vanilla soy milk as a creamer and sweetener.  I guess there's probably a good bit of sugar in that, I haven't looked!  
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Would you like to see my SWAMI?      It's a neutral.  Dr. D has aspartame listed as an avoid.
I'll scan it and email it right now. I'm also pretty sure that if Dr. D didn't speak about it anywhere, Lloyd won't find it...lol


I was talking about calorie restrition. I have not seen Dr. D talk about it in any of his books, unless someone can find it, that I missed.

I don't doubt your SWAMI . Splenda is not pure sucralose.
Just like the newly marketed Truvia is not pure stevia.


"In addition, the bags and packets of Splenda commercially available are not pure sucralose.  They also contain bulking agents.  All artificial sweeteners use bulking agents.  Do you know what they use?  Sugar.  Dextrose, sucrose, and maltodextrin.  (Maltodextrin is corn syrup solids composed primarily from fructose and glucose in a starch form.)   All sweetener packets are at least 96 percent sugar.  Splenda is 99% sugar."


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I don't eat tons of sweets, but I like a little sugar in my coffee and would like to make some A friendly breakfast muffins, that wouldn't be too fattening.  Lately, instead of sugar in my coffee, I've been using vanilla soy milk as a creamer and sweetener.  I guess there's probably a good bit of sugar in that, I haven't looked!  


Agave  is a good sweetener. Have you tried Barley malt? I think Ribbit likes it.



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Agave  is a good sweetener. Have you tried Barley malt? I think Ribbit likes it.


I just started using agave..my body approves    I have no reaction to it. It's so sweet too.   I'm adding it to my list of sparingly used sweetners. Honey still remains my favorite, followed by maple syrup, and barley malt
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So which tastes better (more like the sugar we're used to), agave or barley malt?
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Buying Agave today - another question - I do not see romano cheese on the typebase, but seem to remember an A-friendly recipe that called for it.  Is it alright for me or not?  I hope so, because I made pesto last night with it.
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I've gotten used to adding no sweetener at all to my teas...each tea has a distinctive flavor of its own which is masked by adding sweetener.  
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Where do I go to get the Swami done?  Is it only if you buy the three months of vitamins?


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yes, that s the promotion.....


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I am so confused, I posted that I had dropped about 4 pounds.  Well I have had a cold for about a week.  ( that is the only thing that is different).  When I weighed myself to day I was right back where I started??? I don't understand why I would fluctuate so much in weight.  I have gone over everything I eat and just about everything has been beneficials.  Can a cold do that to the body?  Any other ideas?


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how s the exercise going?
breaking a sweat on a regular basis is essential for us Os!

gets the lymph moving and our detox pathways!


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