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O so Positive:  Let us know if getting off the starvation mode helped.


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The scale has always driven me crazy, so now I go by my lean body weight plus 20%.  I am 61.5 inches tall (5 foot 1.5 inches) and my lean body weight is about 117-118.5.  All the height and weight charts basically say that the max I should weigh is 132 lbs with a so called large athletic frame.

Now if we do the math on this, if I go for a 20% body fat weight 118/.8, I should weigh 148 lbs.   Now if I try for an athletic fat and still keep my period, let's say 15%, I should weigh about 139 lbs.  132 lbs is about 9% which is not enough to sustain periods.

I presently weigh 152 lbs, down from 177 last May.  I would like to be between 148 and 142 which would take me to between 17 and 20 % body fat which is about 4% less than what is considered normal for females.

Now, I know I will not have cut muscles, but I will have good definition and hopefully little or no muffin top at my "hopeful" weight.  

So how to get there, everything I have been reading lately says, keep the calories up around 1800 so you don't go into starvation mode, but in order to burn fat, you must absolutely stop the same pace aerobics and start interval, anaerobic training.

I have been doing this by sprinting on my rowing machine for 30 second intervals for 5 minutes, go down to a fast clip, then sprint for set of 5 minute intervals doing this for at least 22 minutes.  I have also found I need to lift 60% of my maximum in weights for quick sets with only 10 seconds of rest in between sets.  Since I have started interval training, I have lost about 12 lbs of body fat quickly.  (Since May, I have put on 10 lbs of muscle, so I have lost 35 lbs of body fat.)

The reason anaerobic conditioning works found researchers at a University in Eastern Canada is the sprint phase actually burns the sugars in the blood (suprisingly blood tests revealed the burning of the sugars kept going throughout the day).  They compared against long distance runners who don't do numerous full intensity sprints in their workouts and found the long distance runners didn't not burn the circulating sugars!!!!

So O so positive, try getting your lean body weight tested and work from there to see if you need to build muscle, lose body fat and how much.  This is much more accurate than the evil scale!!!!

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O So Positive: How's the weight loss going. having any luck?


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O so Positive:  Let us know if getting off the starvation mode helped.


In repsonse to my weight question:  I have been eating all diamond/beneficial foods for 2 weeks and more of them.  I am probably eating at least 1500 calories a day, but have not really been counting.  Just making sure they are not avoids and about 80% beneficial.  I have lost 4 pounds in about 2.5 weeks .

Definitely getting results.  I am still a little nervous about eating so much more but it is working so I am going with it.  I just don't always know what to eat for snacks that will sustain me.  Any suggestions.


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I'm not an O, but I tend to snack yogurt, veggies, or whole fruit





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Is it ok for A's to have regular yogurt, not soy?  I tried one brand of soy yogurt and didn't like it.  

I've been on this diet for 4 days now, doing alright, might have had some cereal with some of the wrong oils in it, but it was organic and healthy.  I just wanted to finish the box and not throw it away!

Please let me know if there are any A-friendly store-bought snacks available.  I have given up my beloved cheetoes (I know, Bad Bad!).  I think I can have guacamole, but what about the tortilla chips?  I am already getting sick of almonds.  I used to eat whole grain crackers with cheddar and a slice of apple - now can't have the cheddar, can't have the cracker...

Help!
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try the typebase button when in doubt about a food value!
yogurt is fine!
check ingredients when purchasing a product.
learn to substitute your favorite meals with compliant produce.

try the recipe button as well, for ideas!


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Thanks, I will rely on the typebase.  Will check out our local health food store tomorrow, looking for A-friendly crackers and such.  Hopefully I will learn to replace my unhealthy munchies with healthy ones.  I'm able to resist right now, because I'm rather obsessed with this new diet, but I know that will wear off and I need something healthy (but satisfying) to fall back on.
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Lola,

thanks - I will look for those, and order them if I can't find in the stores.  Now, for cheese?  What would you recommend?

By the way, so proud of myself, newbie that I am - I made a salad for supper with the lemon olive oil recipe and made my own croutons with ezekiel bread, olive oil and garlic salt.  Go me!  (I know, that's pathetic!)
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I would genotype myself, you may turn out to be a Teacher and get lots of great cheese, then no need to  stop eating it at all.


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Andrea,

I am thinking about that - how do I go about it?  (I told you I don't know what I'm doing!)
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watch the videos, read the book, start measuring!


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Thanks - will try to research the genotype diet tomorrow and go to the health food store.  (Wish I didn't have pesky things like work taking up so much of my time...)
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O So Positive: That's sensational news. 2.5 pounds. Nice going

As you've mentioned, the calorie intake question is most probably a fairly moot point (1500 is fine and you could easily go to 1700 without too much drama I'd guess - not knowing your current height, weight, etc) but I'll tell you what isn't a moot point, particularly for us O's. It's the right protein, carb, fat ratio. If you want to remain in weight loss mode, then try to organise your meals (and thus your daily intake) around a 50% protein, 40% carbs, 10% fat intake. It will be next to impossible unless you're a competing body builder to get this 10% fat ratio right but don't worry about that, just use it as a target. 20% ok, 30% not. The essential thing is keeping the protein intake higher than the carb intake. This will facilitate the growth of new lean muscle and keep existing (and new) muscle metabolically active to burn fat. End result, weight loss and lots of admiring attention  

One rider to this. Don't sacrifice carbs just to get protein or you'll lose energy. That is don't think that more protein means better. You still have to have the carbs to run the body. The protein is for building the body.

As for snacks, this is always an O conundrum. A very small handful of nuts is good, a piece of fruit also, a protein shake between meals, but for that "I need to replace a biscuit with something similar" type snack, well, that becomes a bit harder. The best bet is to go through the recipes on the site, or use existing recipes you already know and replace ingredients with beneficials, and make yourself some good munchy snacks like biscuits and cakes with compliant flour for example. Not the best solution I'll admit but it definately satisfies the desires and you at least know it's not full of "unfriendlies". Just don't eat heaps of them.  


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Go anniepeyton!!!! I just started as well. I am having trouble finding snacks that are easy to bring to work. I am just reading and beginning my journey on the genotype diet-you can get the book from the library or any book store. Then go through the list, that's what I'm doing. Popping on these forums are a big help.

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Hi Lorraine & Annie, welcome aboard

You;ll find lots of good info here for A's and particularly snack ideas. You guys seem to  have that market cornered.  

Look up the recipes tab or use the search facility to get some of your questions answered and before you know it you'll be adding your own words of wisdom.

This is the place to be for health and well-being. You're in good company.  


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Quoted from azzap
It's the right protein, carb, fat ratio. If you want to remain in weight loss mode, then try to organise your meals (and thus your daily intake) around a 50% protein, 40% carbs, 10% fat intake. It will be next to impossible unless you're a competing body builder to get this 10% fat ratio right but don't worry about that, just use it as a target. 20% ok, 30% not.


Azzap I guess this is not % of calories     BUT % of food or
the 10 % would be low fat BIG time!!

When I want to keep my weight I eat:
25 % Protein, 40-45 % carbs and 30- 35 % fat  all % of CALORIES
losing weight :
about 20 % carbs, 25-30  % Protein and 40-50 % fat
The funny thing is that naturally my calories go down when I eat my low carb/high fat diet - only around 1500-1700 to keep me full
- while normally I should have around 2400.



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Yes HB, that is percentage of calories. Like I said, 10% for fat is next to impossible unless you are particularly "particular" about your food. And it's not good for long term of course but that's what body builders do when they're getting ready for competition. It is however, easier to keep it at a low percentage than you may think as long as you are writing down what you eat and recording the relevant amounts of protein, carbs and fat etc.

The thing that amazed me when I started writing my intake down (and I only did it for 2 weeks just to see) was that it became clearly evident that my ratios were way off target (when I actually thought they were pretty good) and that it didn't take much tweaking to change the equation. Soon I had it at 45% protein, 35% carbs and 20% fat and the body was loving it (dropped a kilo and a half in a week and reduced body water). That has since stayed off and has reduced further as a result of keeping my intake at these levels.

As a B, you might do better on higher carbs, but as an O, carbs are not our friend when it comes to weight loss (necessary for energy though) so targeting 50%, 40% , 10% as a guide is a good way to go. The reality is, it will most probably be like my intake at the 45%, 35%, 20% ratio. The bottom line though, is that as long as the protein is higher than the carbs, the weight loss will continue (provided you don't bombard the system with fat of course). You and I both know that O's and B's can function well with higher levels of fat but I would rather eat a 30 gram piece of meat (120 calories) than 13 grams of fat (120 calories) because the meat is better for me and makes me less hungry.  


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To be honest I don´t think that 10 %  fat from caloris is healthy for ANY bT
no offence- but fat is really important - the right fat for the right BT/GT

Low fat- no matter if it is with high carbs or protein makes me sad, irritated,headache dry skin,foggy headed and I stop having regular periods
  I have been there - never again!!!

The best thing I ever did apart from BTD was to get more fat - for YEARS I tried to stay below 20% -and it never did me any good.
and now I loose weight even with around 90-100 grams fat pr day- I go for same grams fat as protein.
my aim for both is 70-90 grams.
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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
To be honest I don´t think that 10 %  fat from caloris is healthy for ANY bT
no offence- but fat is really important - the right fat for the right BT/GT


A's do pretty well on low fat as long as it is the right fat. I don't watch fat intake anymore, but when I did (pre BTD, always trying to loose five pounds) I was never tired and had lots of energy on a very low fat diet, but yuck, like these foods much better.
I don't know about GT, I'm just learning about them .


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I agree with needing the fat. I am an O nonnie so carbs really bother me.  I find if I eat vegies, and protien for meal and keep carbs for snacks ( around 70 grams a day)  I am good.  But if the fats go to low I just don't feel right.


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A's do pretty well on low fat as long as it is the right fat. I don't watch fat intake anymore, but when I did (pre BTD, always trying to loose five pounds) I was never tired and had lots of energy on a very low fat diet, but yuck, like these foods much better.
I don't know about GT, I'm just learning about them .


Even for an A - 10 % fat from calories would be extremely low imho-
you could eat an egg - maybe some nut and maybe 1 tsp oil - the rest would have to be non fat .

I think it is very unnatural to eat low fat- Man has alway wanted the fat- gives them easy energy, makes their hormones balance , helps them break down certain vitamins. Even ancient man would eat the fatty parts of the animal like the brain, bone marrow- fat around liver etc before eating the rest of the lean meat= Stone age man did not eat low fat -
- what matters is the type of fat !

When I ate low fat I ate all the wrong fats; corn oil, lots of safflower and sesameoil
but I was still low fat and pretty high carb-just like the doc tells us to be.
BUT I was sick, sad and fat ! and my cholesterol numbers was borderline high.

Now I am never sick, happy and chubby   loosing weight slowly - but still eating my body/ghee  and plenty of eggs - but suddenly my cholesterol numbers are perfect .


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After reading this thread, I might need to look at my protein/carb/fat ratio.

I've been on BTD for 6 years now and my weight has been fine..... until 2 months ago, gained about 6 lbs??!!  

Question for azzap (please  ), is this how you calculate the protein/carb/fat ratio:  keep track of what you eat, weigh it and plug in the amounts?  

So.... for lunch today I ate ground beef patty, small head of romaine w/olive oil and lemon and 2 squares of bittersweet chocolate.  The calculation would be: ground beef weighs 4 oz but it has 5% fat so that's 3.8oz in the protein column and .20 in the fat column.  Not sure what the romaine weighed but lets say 4 oz (carb column) and the olive oil weighed 2 oz and the chocolate 2 oz (1.5oz in carb column and .5 in fat column).  That all equals 12 oz of food which = 3.8 oz (32%) protein, 5.5oz carb (46%) and 2.7 oz fat (23%).  This means I need to eat more protein!


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yea, you're right HB, that would only be about 23 grams of fat a day for me, that's not much, I'm sure I eat WAY more than that a day.


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