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When it comes to super beneficial foods and diamond foods, I notice that flax
oil and flax seeds are listed for Warriors....and even oils like Evening Primrose
oil.

and

Men and women get the same diets regardless if they follow the BTD or the GTD...

Soy is prominent in the type A diets.

I was making flax bread and my husband asked me why I was using flax seeds.
I'm answering him by saying that women need to eat phytoestrogen foods...
that weak estrogens from plant sources will fill estrogen receptor sites and
not leave room for xenoestrogens from environmental toxins.

Makes perfect sense.

He asked about men.

I understand the importance for women to use phytoestrogen foods, but what
is the point of men eating foods high in phytoestrogens?

How would this benefit them?


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it is also about omegas and good source of fiber.....


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it is also about omegas and good source of fiber.....


There are also other high phytoestrogen foods like soy that men eat on the
type A diets.

I'm just wondering if men have estrogen receptor sites or if these foods block
bad estrogen for them as well.  To help prevent prostate cancer??

I'm trying to figure out the benefits of phytoestrogen foods for males.

http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/phytoestrogen.php


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I understand the importance for women to use phytoestrogen foods, but what
is the point of men eating foods high in phytoestrogens?



There may not be any. A product like flax seed is valuable for men for its fiber and omegas but only possibly more.

All I could find in here about it was-maybe

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prostate cancer and cardiovascular disease risks, possible protection against osteoporosis

A possible bonus?






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Flax is a phyotestrogen food?  
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Flax is a phyotestrogen food?  


According to the article posted by Chloe in reply 2 it is the phyoestrogen food. News to me too.






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OOOhh.. cool. I haven't been remembering to eat it lately..no wonder my hot flashes were worse..
lol...
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OOOhh.. cool. I haven't been remembering to eat it lately..no wonder my hot flashes were worse..
lol...


Make flax bread...Two slices gives you 1/4 cup of ground flax seeds.  It's my
favorite breakfast.



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Great...does that mean I will not have menopausal symtoms or less of them if I eat flax???
I eat it in my cereal every morning and have done so for several years


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Great...does that mean I will not have menopausal symtoms or less of them if I eat flax???
I eat it in my cereal every morning and have done so for several years


It seems like you might actually have an easier time with menopause according to this information.  

http://www.goldenflax.com/flax-seed-menopause.html

http://www.flaxusa.com/userfiles/file/Menopause.pdf



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and making you regular, which is overall a great help, apart from all the other benefits!
a psychotherapist s dream come true!! lol


don t forget Dr. D's Fembalance


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cancer health series books and other are for both men and women alike!

protocols as well, unless otherwise stated...


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flaxseeds = omega 3 too ...I eat them every morning in my breakfast mix = 125 grams of bifidusyogi & flaxseeds &oatbran & amaranth pops....
sometimes a bit   but better to go onto the WC after ...
but the hot flashes are still loving and embracing me daily....


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I knew they were good for me ,but this is nice perk!


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I read somewhere that men should stay away from soy products period. Some thing about it's full of females hormones...
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that too is a one size fit all.....

Dr D has his tempeh!


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I read somewhere that men should stay away from soy products period. Some thing about it's full of females hormones...


You might want to read this:

http://www.soymilkquick.com/shouldmenworry.php




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I really like soy products. The texture. Soy milk is delicious. But it gives me terrible digestive problems. I guess I'll try it again if and when  I get this candida thing squared away.

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I really like soy products. The texture. Soy milk is delicious. But it gives me terrible digestive problems. I guess I'll try it again if and when  I get this candida thing squared away.



How about cultured soy like tempeh or miso?  The cultured soy often sits better
in some people's guts.



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At first glance the explorer diet seems low in phytoestrogens with eg. no soy or flax or rye, but I guess you can get your lignans and flavonoids from garlic, lingonberries and cranberries or camelina meal. Carob, an explorer diamond, is apparently a good source of phytoestrogen. I understand phytoestrogens work in a very gentle and balancing way if you compare them with an actual hormone replacement therapy or some birth control pills. High quality soy isolates with the flavonoids intact are used by athletes to increase muscle mass and burn fat. The isoflavonoids can be used to help the estrogen dominance also men will face when the time comes.


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At first glance the explorer diet seems low in phytoestrogens with eg. no soy or flax or rye, but I guess you can get your lignans and flavonoids from garlic, lingonberries and cranberries or camelina meal. Carob, an explorer diamond, is apparently a good source of phytoestrogen. I understand phytoestrogens work in a very gentle and balancing way if you compare them with an actual hormone replacement therapy or some birth control pills. High quality soy isolates with the flavonoids intact are used by athletes to increase muscle mass and burn fat. The isoflavonoids can be used to help the estrogen dominance also men will face when the time comes.


I do eat garlic and cranberries (I don't know what camelina meal is) but what can an Explorer make with carob. I like carob and I can find carob powder, but other than mix it in my tea I'm not sure what I could do with it. Any ideas?


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You can use carob powder in a milkshake much like cocoa powder.  I grew up on carob milk at breakfast.  

It makes nice brownies too.  

You can also mix it with ghee and agave and spread it on a rice cake.


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You can use carob powder in a milkshake much like cocoa powder.  I grew up on carob milk at breakfast.  

It makes nice brownies too.  

You can also mix it with ghee and agave and spread it on a rice cake.


Thanks Ribbit!
I like the last idea the best. Do you know how much ghee and agave to carob powder?
Is it a 1 to 1 ratio or is it just a matter of taste and consistency?


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Hi,

I have a lot of hormonal problems already and the signs are pointing to xenoestrogens as the main cause.  I have just last month gotten rid of all possible contaminating food containers and water bottles (my diet should be pretty clean already, as an O-nonsec turned explorer)  

Aside from eating more carob, cranberries, garlic, is there anything else an explorer can do to help their liver get rid of xenoestrogens?

I have tried Lorna Vanderhaeghe's EstroSense since early December, but I haven't noticed any significant difference yet (early June) and a lot of the main ingredients I was already taking with the explorer supplements anyway (calcium d-glutarate, milk thistle, tumeric).  I am concerned about the lycopene but maybe it is far enough removed from tomatoes that it won't be a problem for me explorer diet?  I don't know.  I have started detoxing again as of a couple of months ago but I also started taking Deflect-O twice a day since January and I would expect that to have a good detoxing effect.  Any ideas?


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Thanks Ribbit!
I like the last idea the best. Do you know how much ghee and agave to carob powder?
Is it a 1 to 1 ratio or is it just a matter of taste and consistency?


Just experiment and see what you like.  


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I do eat garlic and cranberries (I don't know what camelina meal is) but what can an Explorer make with carob. I like carob and I can find carob powder, but other than mix it in my tea I'm not sure what I could do with it. Any ideas?


I use carob to make a mole' sauce. Lola might have one of my ingredient stabs filed away somewhere.
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I do eat garlic and cranberries (I don't know what camelina meal is) but what can an Explorer make with carob. I like carob and I can find carob powder, but other than mix it in my tea I'm not sure what I could do with it. Any ideas?

I like to make candied nuts with carob.  I add water to carob powder to make a paste.  Then I add a little agave nectar or maple syrup and stir it well.  Next I add chopped nuts -- pecans, for instance.  If I'm in the mood for sweets, I'll eat it that why.  Or to get a salty-sweet fix, I'll add some sea salt and maybe a bit of cayenne pepper.  I think there's three superfoods in there...

I also add carob to my plain yogurt.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Lloyd carob mole
inspired by the thought of Mole sauce.

This is what I used, you can modify to suit.....

1 tbs olive oil or ghee
2/3 cup spelt berries (presoak)
3 cups water
1 large onion, chopped
1-2 clove garlic, chopped-sliced-or-minced
3 cups fresh Okra, sliced
small handful fresh parsley leaves
1 can tomato paste
1 'Tbl carob powder, or to taste
pinch Stevia or preferred sweetener (not much)
pinch sea salt
spices (I used cayenne, ginger, turmeric, fenugreek and oregano)

Sautee onion and garlic. Add spelt, water, spices and salt. Bring to boil, cover and simmer for 50-60 minutes. Add all other ingredients after 40 minutes.

tomato 'sauce' could be prepared ahead for deeper flavor, the contrast was quite good as it was.


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Are phytoestrogens always a  good thing, even for women?

A friend of mine is a breast cancer survivor, and her oncologist told her to completely  avoid soy, in all forms. She won't even eat potato chips fried in soybean oil. I'm not sure if she avoids flax as well- it never came up, as there never was any flax in the foods served at parties where we both attended.

I also know my personal experience with soy consumption. I used to always have 5-6 week menstural cycles.  That was just "normal" for me. Then I stopped consuming soy (and all legumes) as an experiement, to see if I felt better. (This was before I found BTD.) My cycles normalized! I now have 30 day cycles instead of 35-42 day cyles. I have a more obvious fertile phase, fewer cramps, and the bleeding isnt' as heavy. If I drink a lot of soy milk (such as when Silk Nog is available), I get the wonky cycles again. I've also found that soy does less damage to my cycle when I consume it around ovulation time. If I have soy when my period is due, it REALLY messes me up- more PMS, late period, etc.

All in all, this experience has left me thinking that phytoestrogens are NOT a good thing. I tried using flax seeds in my diet when I first went low-carb, but then stopped when I found out flax is a phytoestrogen. I can get fiber from veggies and EFAs from fish- why risk the hormones in flax?


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And yet I had the opposite experience.  I used to ovulate two days before my period.  Great, huh?  And I'd have 7 heavy, very crampy days, the first two days often with a fever (and yes, I still had to go to school).  Then I added soy into my life (way before BTD) and my cycles normalized and shortened.  Even when I slowed way down on soy later on, my cycles stayed the same, which  means the soy fixed something that was wrong.

Had I not fixed the problem before I got married, I may not have been able to get pregnant.  Now I have .... um..... NO PROBLEM.


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I also know my personal experience with soy consumption. I used to always have 5-6 week menstural cycles.  That was just "normal" for me. Then I stopped consuming soy (and all legumes) as an experiement, to see if I felt better. (This was before I found BTD.) My cycles normalized! I now have 30 day cycles instead of 35-42 day cyles. I have a more obvious fertile phase, fewer cramps, and the bleeding isnt' as heavy. If I drink a lot of soy milk (such as when Silk Nog is available), I get the wonky cycles again. I've also found that soy does less damage to my cycle when I consume it around ovulation time. If I have soy when my period is due, it REALLY messes me up- more PMS, late period, etc.


Interesting,I had the same problem, but it also made me have extremely bad pms along with inflammatory joints.

I never knew why I reacted so badly to soy until I found out my genotype. Soy is toxic for explorers.


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Are phytoestrogens always a  good thing, even for women?



All in all, this experience has left me thinking that phytoestrogens are NOT a good thing. I tried using flax seeds in my diet when I first went low-carb, but then stopped when I found out flax is a phytoestrogen. I can get fiber from veggies and EFAs from fish- why risk the hormones in flax?



I agree, my mother is a type O, probably a non-secretor, and she has survived breast CA for more than 15 years now. When she was getting chemo her oncologist told her to stay away from all soy. Not a bad thing for an O nonnie anyway, but if she had been an A or AB eating soy, what would her outcome have been?


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but if she had been an A or AB eating soy, what would her outcome have been?


My mother was A+ like me.  She never ate soy. She had surgery for cystic breast disease.  The doctor told her the cause was caffeine in the coffee.  Caffeine?  I wonder if she ate soy regularly, would she have avoided the cystic breast disease?
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