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beanpole
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I have been doing eating ER4YT for several years now but every year I have my iron checked as it is always low and I have to go on iron tablets. Every day I eat a green salad with brown rice and lentils or beans. So I can't think what else I can add to increase my iron stores. I don't eat soy products and everything else is in the diet. Any suggestions.
I was thinking maybe taking blackstrap molasses. Does anyone know how much I should have every day and how to take iT?
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How old are you? As we age we have less ability to absorb iron. A's in particular have low alkaline phosphatase, which is what helps the body to break down foods.
B12 that is active Methylcobalmin ( I like the NAP one best) is important for us.


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I always had an iron absorbtion issue. I also followed the SAD and ate beef, pork and chicken..still anemic. I was put on iron 2 or 3 times by the doctor that I could remember as a kid. My B son also was anemic as a kid and he was put on iron a couple of times. His diet was very close to the BTD. I think it's a genetic thing. I take one Fergon a day now. Last RBC was normal. Fergon is plant derived iron and is mild. Doc would prescribe 3 of them a day as opposed to one of ferrous sulfate. I can not tolerate ferrous sulfate..   I am concerned about the info stating that people shouldn't take extra iron due to it causing heart trouble.

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I find it interesting that docs are so concerned with iron. It comes up here over and over again. I think they are barking up the wrong tree with giving iron supplments. The supplements seem to do very little for the patients who then need repeated lab tests to check for iron levels.


My thought would be, do different BT/GT function fine with different levels of iron? I am sure a study does not exist, yet.


I would also bet that each BT/GT absorbs iron by a different process that is why it remains so hard to pin down.
So the docs give iron pills... and more iron pills and never address the underlying cause of the problem.



Iron is about the gut lining and how it is functioning.  Gut bacteria is involved in the process.
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/92/1/53

This article suggests that they really don't understand completely how iron is absorbed and that hormones may be involved.



Here is something else interesting.
Inulin probably feeds the gut bacteria that helps absorb iron.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080106133238.htm

More onions in the diet for more inulin, helps gut bacteria helps iron levels.


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Following the A diet (even though for me it wasn't perfect) got my iron levels in check.  I was encouraged by a nurse friend to have my levels checked by a dr because she said she thought I was anemic.  But when they ran tests, it turns out that I had too much iron.  Evidently the symptoms of either case can be similar.

At any rate, they wanted to put me on something-or-other to lower the iron levels.  I said, "No thanks."  Then after I was on the BTD for a while, and pregnant, I had my iron levels tested just as a routine blood test.  All was well.  So whatever the problem was corrected itself on the BTD.


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But when they ran tests, it turns out that I had too much iron.  Evidently the symptoms of either case can be similar..

Interesting. When I go back to have my risk factors checked, I'm having my serum ferritin checked also. It's more accurate that a CBC.

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Swiss chard (boiled), tofu, blackstrap molasses, etc are all good sources of iron.  Beans, peas, lentils, turkey, egg yolks, amaranth, quinoa, etc. liquid b12 supplement and dried apricots
limit regular wheat products


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http://www.cancer.dartmouth.edu/iron/

I know my ferritin level is low...but I'm wondering if in some genetic way for my blood type that it's actually somewhat protective...


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Quoted from Chloe
http://www.cancer.dartmouth.edu/iron/

I know my ferritin level is low...but I'm wondering if in some genetic way for my blood type that it's actually somewhat protective...

Why not?

When things are hard for science to fiqure out I know it has to do with  our individual blood types/ genotypes and they are just following dead trails without including blood type.
Wait till they put it all together, how exciting it will be.


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A Tbsp. molasses a day works.  We like blackstrap over pancakes.


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I've always had low iron levels, especially pre-BTD when I was eating tons of venison, and pork and beef . Once I dumped those toxins, my iron levels stabilized. I also take B-12, Methylcobalmamin daily. My iron levels  are not super high or anything, but high enough to donate blood. Speaking of which, I just donated this morning, and for the first time, I felt shakey and "off". In fact, I thnk I was almost going to pass out, things got kind of shimmery and silver, so I went and laid on the floor and put my feet up on the couch. That helped(or maybe it was the 4 dogs that decided they had to lay their heads on various parts of my body ). I just drank a glass of soymilk and a cup of tea, and I feel better. Strange.

Beanpole, maybe B-12, and more onions will help. I've heard of people disolving blackstrap molasses in hot water and drinking it like a coffee substitute. Might be tasty, depending on your tastes. Good luck!


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limit regular wheat products


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A Tbsp. molasses a day works.  We like blackstrap over pancakes.


Over pancakes? Ok, I draw the line. Nothing but pure maple syrup touches my pancakes.. I like black strap molasses straight from the bottle.
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After being anemic so many times, I've come to notice beginning symptoms..I start craving chocolate and wine.
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After being anemic so many times, I've come to notice beginning symptoms..I start craving chocolate and wine.


I'm thinking for women who are still getting periods, replacing lost iron might make a difference
when it comes to actually putting back iron lost but when women get older, no longer lose
blood this way, and knowing that high iron can feed tumors, I think it's probably safer not
to supplement with iron pills and perhaps just eat more iron rich foods known to be good for blood type A.

Mayflowers, chocolate craving can also be caused from PMS...or from having low magnesium.
Wouldn't low iron make you feel more tired?  Chilled?



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I'm always tired. Chilled, in between flashes..I take magnesium, calcium..
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Thanks for your reply. I have following the diet for several years and I thought my iron levels may  correct itself over time but it has not. I am 40 and would prefer to rectify it with diet. Will try the molasses in water and fergin sounds good also.
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Natural Factors have fine supplements also for A's....and or
Floradix eventually..... don't wait too long...


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Iron Supplements can cause long term detriment stuff...get it from natural sources!!!


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Iron Supplements can cause long term detriment stuff...get it from natural sources!!!


It depends on the person. Those people, such as myself and my son have an iron absorption problem. I've been anemic eating red meat. (might be from the milk I had been drinking then)  Being an A, I take plant derived iron, not ferrous sulfate..But, since that is true, that iron can cause problems, (too much of anything can cause problems, even water)I'm having my iron levels checked with my next risk factor eval. I had to laugh that my sister who was 275 pounds told me she was anemic and had to take iron last year.
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I've been anemic eating red meat. (might be from the milk I had been drinking then)  


More then likely just from low stomach acid. Us A's can't digest meat so how can we possibly use the nutrients in it effeciently?
A healthy gut and hormones will go a long way to helping with iron.



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If you read the above article I posted about iron absorption, you'll see that phytates
from grains would be one of the reasons iron isn't being properly absorbed in the gut.

If grains are sprouted, the phytates are broken down more effectively..Maybe for those who
have iron absorption problems, what might help them is to only eat grains that have been soaked, fermented or sprouted to neutralize the phytates.

http://www.suegregg.com/about/c.htm


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More then likely just from low stomach acid. Us A's can't digest meat so how can we possibly use the nutrients in it effeciently?
A healthy gut and hormones will go a long way to helping with iron.

That's interesting. Every so often, I crave liver..(I always liked it) like once a year..and I'll keep craving it till I eat it. Then after I have some I won't crave it for another year..how weird is that?  

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greens, like spinach with Lemon juice for the sauce help w/ iron absorption. The acid from the lemon binds with the iron.


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Hello all BTD's;
While we are on the subject of nutrient absorbency here, I have a problem with absorbing my nutrients which cause me to  have vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Must be due to the fact that i have a gluten disorder which leads me to believe that I think I had the leaky gut syndrome in the beginning.
Anywho, I keep reading about enzymes and the fact that so many people are deficient in this supplement. this is what helps to break down nutrients in foods and supplements, without it, your supplements and the nutrients in the foods you eat do you no good. So, I guess that enzymes are very important and essential to type A's who have digeative problems or anyone who has digestive issues. Your gut is the key to your health and we need to take special care of it. I take a good probiotic supplement, an HCI supplement with pepsin, and a super enzyme before my meals. So, those who cannot absorp iron, might want to try supplementing with a good enzyme. I think Dr. D.'s pharmacal store might have some.
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yes mollases, and I  take sprilina capsules as they are great for A Blood.
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yes mollases, and I  take sprilina capsules as they are great for A Blood.


Thanks! You just reminded me that I need some spirulina tabs. I buy Earthwise..They really help me with cognitive funcitoning..along with PS.   Low iron would affect my cognitive and emotional function.
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greens, like spinach with Lemon juice for the sauce help w/ iron absorption. The acid from the lemon binds with the iron.


Bingo!

Sorry but a lot of you need to break it down to science. You need vitamin C to absorb non-heme iron, period. Without it you can eat all the greens in the world and be anemic.

Meat has non-heme and heme. Heme is ready for bodily use as is, non-heme is not.
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Absolutely right - was just about to post this myself... Having been very low in iron, despite eating all the "right" things, I realised I had omitted to eat citrus... I've been eating a grapefruit or a lemon every day and now finally my iron levels have almost doubled in last 3 months...without adding heaps of meat even...
And yes Mayflowers you can be low in iron, or anemic, even if you aren't stick thin!!!
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IAP plays a role here.....
listen to Dr Ds interview on calcium absorption and the different physiologies.
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Having been very low in iron, despite eating all the "right" things, I realised I had omitted to eat citrus... I've been eating a grapefruit or a lemon every day and now finally my iron levels have almost doubled in last 3 months...without adding heaps of meat even..

Do you take Vitamin C supplements? Wouldn't that do the same thing as eating citrus?
I can barely tolerate grapefruit..

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Vitamin C in the same meal is best when eating veggie iron.
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Do you take Vitamin C supplements? Wouldn't that do the same thing as eating citrus?
I can barely tolerate grapefruit..



It would be better than nothing, but from what I've read, food sources are better than taking supplements
I buy organic grapefruits and they are sweeter than the ones I remember buying elsewhere... Oranges would be ok tho' if you can eat them although organic, locally grown & naturally ripened would be better (I've also heard that oranges are often picked green for transporting and therefore have very little vit c in them...
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