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I'd like to open up the subject of meditation and calming strategies.

Do any of you actually sit and meditate as a healing practice ?  How often do you do it?  Can you describe your process?



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I like meditation Sahaja Yoga,
when I practise every day I really feel so relax

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Well Raquel...it looks like nobody besides you is actually meditating daily.  

I would have loved for others to have joined in a discussion...but I guess it's you and me...
There doesn't seem to be much interest...

So, how long do you actually meditate?  Are you sitting quietly on the floor?  Lying down?
And do you do this first thing in the morning?  For how long?  Can you describe to me what you
actually are doing?

Thanks...


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I do too... just not always daily...  

I had Shambhala Training in graduate school which is a secular form of Tibetan Buddhist meditation or, as they call it, sitting practice. It is essentially just sitting on the floor (I use a zafu [cushion] and zabaton [mat] which are zen I think) and placing your attention gently on the outbreath. Anything that arises in your awareness is labeled "thinking" whether it be a thought, feeling, sensation, etc. Once you find yourself thinking, you gently bring your attention back to the outbreath. Very simple actually, and lets you take something of an observer approach to how 'full' our minds are and how little we can tolerate the space of no thinking.

So that is the core of my sitting practice. I also add visualizations and affirmations once my mind quiets down at the end of practice. I only sit for about 15-20 minutes a day at present, first thing in the morning. I feel more grounded and peaceful throughout my day when I begin with sitting practice.


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I try to meditate every night before bed for at least 20 mins.
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I'm glad to see there are others who meditate...

Diana, what does your meditation practice look like?


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I am not a very successful meditator, my mind is very busy.

I do alternate nostril breathe because at least it is active.
I have been interested in TM for the health benefits, but it looks like it is a big secret to learn.

I am hoping at the conference I will get to talk to someone who can help me.. just point me in the right direction and I will figure it out.


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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
I am not a very successful meditator, my mind is very busy.


Really... all meditation is sitting and breathing. That's it in a nutshell. There is nothing to "get" or no way to do it unsuccessfully. Feeling agitated, restless, with racing thoughts and like you want to scream is all a part of it too.

My favorite meditation explanation is to hold the image of watching your thoughts floating by like clouds against the clear blue sky.


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I think practice is key to success.  I expect to get it on one sitting.


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I meditate also.  I try to do some every day, even if it is just a couple of breaths.  It tends to be the first thing I ditch when I get 'busy', and I am trying to remedy that, because it helps me so much.  I mix it up, some sitting, some walking, some during stretching, etc.  I've practiced several traditions, kind of mix them all together into something that works for me.


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Quoted from Kristin
I do too... just not always daily...


Well my intention is daily, but I waste too much time here so I sometimes fail to accomplish my 20 minute sit. (zafu but no zabaton)


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Daily, throughout the day. I dont follow a system except post exercise when I incorporate yogaasanaas for stretching, and then I spend about 15min *looking in* And after that when I light the lamp at the altar. After that through out the day I do small pockets of turning inwards. It helps me tremendously.


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thanks for this thread, Chloe, there are many of us who meditate. I hesitated to check out this thread because there was a previous thread on this and I assumed this thread would just be referred to this other thread. Nice to have a fresh one. I appreciate hearing peoples' experiences with meditation. I have practiced with various approaches, and at this time I try to sit for 20 min. daily (don't always make it) looking within, doing nothing. (non-doing)
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daily meditation a *must* in my case ....autogenes training nach Schulze, dito.....implementation of the Louise Hay scripts as well...works wonders for and with me ...my overloaden mind is able to calm down...


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So, how long do you actually meditate?  Are you sitting quietly on the floor?  Lying down?
And do you do this first thing in the morning?  For how long?  Can you describe to me what you
actually are doing?

Thanks...


I've practise many meditation since 20 years ago. Sometime I've stop meditation and I've noticed immediately the difference in my mind (stress) So I know its important to clean the mind from 'avoids'thoughts.
That's  BTD has to practice every day to see the good effects, the same with meditation.
Now I practise SAHAJA YOGA (kundalidi energy), in the web you can see how to do it...I prefer do firts in the morning!!!
I love it




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Quoted from Chloe
I'm glad to see there are others who meditate...

Diana, what does your meditation practice look like?


I sit in a chair or I'll practice laying down. I do deep breathing then TM for 20 mins and visualization.  When I'm unable to fall asleep, I'll meditate..always works.  All my life, my problem was getting enough rest and trying to stay awake (iron deficiency and figure skating) so to meditate in the morning before work is a no go. It makes me too sleepy. I also do walking meditation and I'll find myself relaxing when I drive. There's something about driving I find relaxing. I've had a few revelations while driving.
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Here's what I do...

One form of my mediation is a self guided visual healing journey...I learned to do this in a group with the guided voice of a leader, but I like to do it by myself....

I lie on the floor on a mat or towel...I breathe deeply and slowly and feel my belly rise and fall as my breath slows down to a pace that feels natural.. and do nothing else for about 15 minutes just to get a sense of calm.....I sometimes light a candle before I start...make sure that I've got a blanket if I get chilly.  My second phase of this is to see myself walking across a beautiful open peaceful field...It is a sunny warm day and I am surrounded with
love and good health....and I tell myself that the energy under the ground where I place my
feet is sending white light throughout my body with each step....I then come to a bridge...
where over it is written the words, "you are entering deep bliss"....I go over the bridge and
find myself near a pond....I gaze into the water and see it is completely still...I see my own
reflection and it is young and vibrant and completely healthy.

I then see myself lie down on a blanket next to the water....and feel the energy of the earth
radiate deeply into my body...it's warm and comforting and healing.  If I'm experiencing
any bodily discomfort, I might direct the healing energy to start at the bottoms of my
feet and be directed upwards towards the top of my head, entering each bodily cell, muscle,
tendon, tissue, bone and surge through my blood stream......I like to work with the chakra system and feel each color and intention energize my body accordingly.

I stay with this energy until I'm ready to return from my journey, go back over the bridge and go home...taking with me all that I've gained on this journey..

I lie for awhile after I meditate like this and intentionally allow myself to absorb the healing experience.

Of course I can sit and just breathe...I can't last as long as the self guided visualizations which
I enjoy doing.


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nada ms to add here , twinnie .....


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lovely thread


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Very nice Chloe. You have good focus.
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Anyone meditate with music in the background?


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Anyone meditate with music in the background?


I do not find that it helps me. Chanting/signing/praying before or after meditation can enrich the experience for me. But music justs acts as a diversion for me during meditation.

I know other people who do nearly all their meditation with a music backgroung. But for me it is not meditation if I have music going.


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I also do not meditate with music in the background. I remember reading awhile ago that for true relaxation to occur, one should be in as quiet a room as possible with no music playing. I know many people use music for relaxation but it actually is just one more thing that your brain must process. I think music can be relaxing in and of itself... but not while doing deep relaxation exercises.

I never tried meditating with music on but I think it would be distracting as well.



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Music draws me outside, and when I meditate, I like to hold my attention inside.



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I also do need my complete calm....


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I like quiet for meditation too.  Love music, but not during that time.  

I've been to a meditation/chanting group where we chant for 20 min, have silent meditation for 20 min, then do a chant for 20, then silent meditation again.  I did enjoy that group, doing the same chant for 20 min was great and then the silence inside and out after that was so nice...made it really easy to go deep quickly.  We'd usually choose one chant that was pretty deep and powerful, and one that was a bit easier and lighter...two totally different meditation experiences followed each which was cool.


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Chanting is different than music, for my meditation experience.  Chanting puts me into meditation, but then I like silence during.

Music can take me away from myself, which makes it hard to stay present.



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When I use the brother charles cd, it has chanting om mani padme hume in the form of singing, but when I don't use it I don't play music. It should be quiet like Kristen says.
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Chanting is different than music, for my meditation experience.  Chanting puts me into meditation, but then I like silence during.

Music can take me away from myself, which makes it hard to stay present.



I have some old tapes that are specifically designed for meditation...there is no tune you
can latch onto or  process in your brain like songs you might listen to for enjoyment.  I have the
perpetual OM sound on tape..If I play it quietly I can't even notice it....What happened is that
I learned to meditate with a teacher-guide....I did this for years.  We would assemble in a group, bring mats and lie on the floor....Incense would burn and candles lit in corners
around the room. He'd even place crystals in a pattern in the middle of our circle....
But in the background would be a slight perception of music....so softly played, it sounded
angelic.  I guess for me, it was conditioning......I mostly don't listen to music when I meditate by myself, but the minute I listen to one of the tapes this teacher used to play, I'm halfway there into my meditative state almost immediately.




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I've had some nights where I was so wound up I couldn't sleep.  I just concentrate on breathing deeply and stopping thoughts from coming into my  head.  Within a few minutes I'll be asleep.  Is that meditation?

I shy away from such things, to be honest, because it sounds so new-age to me, and I'm not at all new-age.  But if I can relax without getting creepy and cultic, maybe it'll benefit me.

The closest thing I've ever come to being in a trance is during labor.  I'm not a noise-maker during labor.  I just do deep breathing.  With my first I kept having to mentally remove myself to be able to handle the pain.  With my second and third I learned to roll with the punches, so to speak, and sink down into the contractions instead of trying to remove myself from them.  My second and third births were amazing and invigorating.  I think what I was doing was a form of meditation or self-hypnosis.


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I've had some nights where I was so wound up I couldn't sleep.  I just concentrate on breathing deeply and stopping thoughts from coming into my  head.  Within a few minutes I'll be asleep.  Is that meditation?

I shy away from such things, to be honest, because it sounds so new-age to me, and I'm not at all new-age.  But if I can relax without getting creepy and cultic, maybe it'll benefit me.

The closest thing I've ever come to being in a trance is during labor.  I'm not a noise-maker during labor.  I just do deep breathing.  With my first I kept having to mentally remove myself to be able to handle the pain.  With my second and third I learned to roll with the punches, so to speak, and sink down into the contractions instead of trying to remove myself from them.  My second and third births were amazing and invigorating.  I think what I was doing was a form of meditation or self-hypnosis.


Here's some information about the history of meditation.  It's rather old!

The Long History of Meditation Is Evidence of Its Benefits
The numerous traditions and practices associated with the various forms of meditation have been intriguing and beneficial to people of all nations for centuries.
Meditation is both an ancient spiritual practice and a contemporary mind-body technique for relaxing the body and calming the mind. Although there is not a lot of recorded information dealing with the history of meditation, its roots can be traced back to ancient times. Researchers speculate that even primitive societies may have discovered altered states of consciousness and meditative states while staring into the flames of their campfires.

According to archaeologists, a figure of a yogi found in the Indus Valley Civilization demonstrates that yoga practice could have existed in the first Indian civilization itself. Since civilized societies began to emerge, meditation has evolved into a structured practice. Until recently, the primary purpose of meditation has been for religious reasons, although the health benefits of meditation have long been recognized in cultures where methods of meditation originated.

5000-year old Indian scriptures called tantras mentioned various techniques of meditation. The Buddha, the worlds most iconic meditation scholars, first made his mark around 500 B.C. Before achieving his enlightenment as a Buddha, he was known as Siddhartha Gotama, and what actually led him to the Buddhahood was his own experimentation in meditation. Siddhartha mastered the techniques of meditation quickly. He developed jhaanas and supranormal skills based on his experiences, developing a practice known as samatha. These skills allow one to calm down inner thoughts and cultivate the power of concentration. This new type of meditation was known as vipassanaa, which means the ability to see the nature of life and the world through meditation. By employing techniques of vipassanaa, one can attain Nirvana, which is the goal of Buddhist meditation.

Buddha taught his disciples and those disciples taught their own, spreading the Buddhas teachings far and wide across the Asian continent. From master to master, new interpretations and approaches were added. When Buddhism reached China, Japan, Tibet, and southeastern Asian countries, each region added their own interpretations and developed their own unique way of practicing meditation methods.

Similar to the Buddhists, who are led by the teachings of the Buddha, the Sufis of Islam claim that their techniques of meditation began when their religion began, with the practices of the Prophet Mohammed. Forms of meditation have been present for centuries in numerous other religions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Jainism, but they are not so widely practiced as the Middle Eastern and Asian techniques.

Meditation spread to Western society thousands of years after it had already become firmly rooted in Eastern cultures. Its widespread popularity in the United States didnt begin until the mid-20th century. In the 1960s and 1970s, many college professors and scientific researchers began to test the effects of meditation and learned about the multitude of benefits it affords to physical, mental, and emotional health.

Meditation is the first mind-body intervention to be widely adopted in mainstream health care in Western society and around the world. Various techniques of meditation are now widely taught in medical settings such as VA clinics and hospitals. Meditation is often prescribed as a healing technique for relaxing the body and calming the mind, as it has done since the beginning of recorded history.




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So the objective of meditation is to become aware: aware of what's going on in mind and in body.  All these practices are just different ways of getting to that state of awareness, right?
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thank you ,chloe. that is a beautiful history.
Drive, there are many "objectives" of meditation, including the one you mention.
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Quoted from Ribbit
I shy away from such things, to be honest, because it sounds so new-age to me, and I'm not at all new-age.  But if I can relax without getting creepy and cultic


Meditation is found within the Christian tradition as well as a variety of other traditions (as noted by Chloe above).

Some Christian known for their meditative practices:

Brother Lawrence
Julian of Norwich
St. John of the Cross
St. Ignatius of Loyola
St. Teresa of Avila
Madame Guyon
John Main, O.S.B

Here is the scriptural imperative to meditate:

Quoted from Psalm 1:2
His delight is in the law of the Lord, and in his law he meditates day and night


Quoted from Joshua 1:8
God commands his people to meditate on his word day and night to instill obedience.


So one way to meditate within in the Christian tradition is known as passage meditation.

In passage meditation one starts by being quiet and stilling the mind from the distraction of the day. Then one brings to mind a short passage of scripture that one has memorized.  You may repeat the whole passage to yourself. Then allow yourself to focus on a single verse or phrase. Hold your attention on this phrase and see what happens. Spend several minutes meditating (or contemplating if you prefer this word) on a phrase before moving to the next phrase in the passage.

Relax you do not race through the passage. It is not race! Allow God time to speak to you and reveal to your soul the secrets hidden in the passage.


Another approach Christians use is to focus on a well known prayers. The Prayer of St Francis is a popular prayer to use for meditation. You may choose to concentrate on one phrase for a daily meditation session or slowly advance through the prayer spending a couple minutes on each phrase in the prayer.

Quoted from St. Francis

    Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
    where there is hatred, let me sow love;
    where there is injury, pardon;
    where there is doubt, faith;
    where there is despair, hope;
    where there is darkness, light;
    and where there is sadness, joy.

    O Divine Master,
    grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
    to be understood, as to understand;
    to be loved, as to love;
    for it is in giving that we receive,
    it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
    and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.

    Amen.


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has anyone seen a person levitate?
is that some form of superlative meditation?

and I don t mean David K. here!


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has anyone seen a person levitate?
is that some form of superlative meditation?

and I don t mean David K. here!

My brother.
He has meditation since 30 years ago with meditation trascendental TM Maharishi Yogui.



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Great Lola, you are a Encyclopedia online!!!!

He taught me TM, it was my first experience of meditation...


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I've had some nights where I was so wound up I couldn't sleep.  I just concentrate on breathing deeply and stopping thoughts from coming into my  head.  Within a few minutes I'll be asleep.  Is that meditation?


Yes. It's meditation. There's nothing evil about concentrating on your breath going in and out. Most all nations had their own form of meditation.

I find it amusing that the old ways, and old religions are being referred to as "New Age".  Christianity is btw, the newest religion. It's only been around for about 2,000 years.

I also practice TM, but the organization that teaches it is getting too greedy and I refuse to pay for any more "advanced techniques" I can get them on the internet from disgruntled members..
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I think of meditation as any practice that helps me stay in the present moment.  For several decades, I practiced a sitting meditation, using silent mantra repetition, with each in-breath and with each out-breath.  It has the effect of anchoring a person's attention to the here and now, and keeps you from getting drawn off (and lost) in the thoughts.  Every time we think, we are either projecting ourselves into the future or into the past.

Due to old and repetitive left knee injuries, I no longer sit cross legged for meditation, but still use the basic approach of staying aware of my in and out breaths.  I lie flat on my back without a pillow for a few minutes before going to sleep and as soon as I wake up.  I also use this practice whenever I am doing work that does not require talking.

I don't consider sleep itself to be meditation because we are no longer conscious in present time.  Sleep is letting go and slipping into dreamland.  Cultivating the ability to hold the mind steady develops a high degree of mental strength and ability to concentrate.  Although I do like to meditate before sleeping.  I try to be in a position that I would not normally sleep in, to prevent the automatic
snooze button.

I don't see the goal of meditation as making the mind a blank screen either.  For me, it requires exercise, much as I work my muscles.  Every time the mind drifts off into thinking, I bring it back to my gentle breathing.  Gradually I can hold the focus for longer and longer periods.  The result is deep relaxation and a higher level of contentment.  When the thoughts come, my intention is to observe them and not allow them to hook me in and pull me out of the moment.



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I find it amusing that the old ways, and old religions are being referred to as "New Age".  


New Age isn't new at all, it's just what it's called.  They are very old ways, just like you said.


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Due to old and repetitive left knee injuries, I no longer sit cross legged for meditation, but still use the basic approach of staying aware of my in and out breaths.  


The only reason yogis sat cross legged on the floor was because they were very poor and didn't have furniture. My ex told me that. If it were common for Indians to have furniture, we'd all be taught to meditate sitting in a chair..

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New Age isn't new at all, it's just what it's called.  They are very old ways, just like you said.


Yes, so old, much was forgotten. Now that it's being discovered again, it's considered "new", hence New Age.
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has anyone seen a person levitate?
is that some form of superlative meditation?

and I don t mean David K. here!


David Blaine and Chris Angel can levitate    BTW, who's David K?
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aren't they really bouncing (not to rain on any parades, but I've heard that...)

....Oh! (just checked out Lola's link!!!).....hmmmm. Too bad, cuz TM has done a lot of good in this world.
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aren't they really bouncing
....Oh! (just checked out Lola's link!!!).....hmmmm. Too bad, cuz TM has done a lot of good in this world.


Actually, they're not. They actually levitate. David Blaine would just walk up to someone on a city street in the middle of the sidewalk or street and say, "Hey, wanna see something?" and he'd just levitate 6 inches off the ground and people would be putting their hands over him and under him looking for wires..

Chris Angel does the same thing, levitates out in the middle of nowhere. You can't rig wires that way. They probably learned it from yogis.  

Lola, that's probably right about TM. The meditation of TM is very common in India. It's using a mantra. It's a money making business. That's why I won't go back. I told my ex, that I learned it when my mother passed away (hey, I was distraught) and he was really angry that I paid them to learn a mantra meditation..Oh well.. I can be naive..

However, TM has been shown in clinical studies to lower blood pressure, increase health, lower insidence of ca, and people who practice TM or meditation are healthier, happier, have no depression and live longer. So all in all meditation in any form is very important for health.
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However, TM has been shown in clinical studies to lower blood pressure, increase health, lower insidence of ca, and people who practice TM or meditation are healthier, happier, have no depression and live longer. So all in all meditation in any form is very important for health.


So true Diana!!!!

Beautiful your new sig fairy purple...


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We don't need to pay anyone money in order to learn to meditate.  There are so many great websites, DVD's, books, and friends to compare notes with.



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Thank you Raquel..Purple is my fav color.  
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We don't need to pay anyone money in order to learn to meditate.  There are so many great websites, DVD's, books, and friends to compare notes with.


I agree  

http://www.sahajayoga.com is one of this!!!


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In 2001 my mom passed away and we had her cremated.  Her ashes were not buried right away and I had the chance to spend some time with her this way for over a year.  One of the things I had always wanted to do was to show her what I had accomplished in Tai Chi, but since she passed away before I was able to, she never saw me do it.  

For one class, I brought my mom's ashes in her little wooden box and asked the teacher if we could do some tai chi so that I could 'show' her even though she had passed on.  One of my girlfriends is really connected with these kinds of things and I had called her to make sure that she was there.  There were about 12 of us in the class and the instructor was honored to do this for me.  For the whole class we focused on relaxation and doing bits of tai chi here and there and becoming one.   About 3/4 of an hour before the class was over (it is a three hour class), we were all in a circle when the instructor had us start doing the form.  It was absolutely amazing.  The group was so connected it felt like we were one.  We continued to do the form three times in a row and then he told us to relax.  He kept talking quietly to keep us all focused and then after about three minutes he called (rather abruptly) my girlfriends name.  At first, I thought it was because she may have been talking, but when I talked to her later she said that she felt like she was levitating.  Not sure why the instructor stopped her from doing what she was doing, but I don't think he knew what to do as it was probably the first time he had seen this happen.  He would never talk about what happened.  

I don't meditate as much as I should either, but when I do it is like I go to another place.  Almost a shame to come back to reality.

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I have the book Relaxation Response and this was my first form of meditation that I will often fall back on. I latter tried another form were you try to completely empty the mind and not think of anything at all, once again by concentrating on your breathing. All thoughts that come up are pushed away till all you are doing is concentrating on breathing in an out. I have found it almost imposible to prevent thoughts from poping up at a constant pace, it is amazing how the mind can be so busy in such a relaxed situation. It can also be very interesting the things that can come up. In the end it winds up being an exilerating learning experience.
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I'd like to say that your motivation for doing what we are all calling meditation will help you determine what you are really up to. If you just want to relax or temporarily calm yourself, then a simple practice of just sitting still and watching the body and breath for 10 or 20 minutes a day will suffice. Maybe with the help of a book or dvd, to get encouragement and guidelines.

On the other hand, if ones motive is to follow the spiritual path, to transcend the personal self or ego and even have a direct perception of the fundamental nature of what is called reality, then longer periods of practice (years even decades)may be necessary. Because the sidetracks leading to various forms of spiritual materialism are great, the help of an experienced teacher will probably be required.

I say this as person who has studied and practiced Buddhism and meditation under the guidance of several teachers for 35 years. I also currently teach meditation to inmates in Michigan state prisons.


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making a poem
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this gray morning sky..




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Nice post, Robert. ( appreciate the haiku.)
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orange cat vanishes
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Wait, wait.  Don't we have a Poems thread that Robert used to fill up with his creations?

I like that one about the orange cat, btw.  Our cats play in the fall foliage and we get a kick out of burying them in leaves and watching them leap straight up out of the middle of a pile.


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I'm just reading the newest book from Deepak Chopra about the *Bouddha*....
here also my *holy sentences* are mentioned..... ;)
be aware what you are not.....
becoming a non-person.....

shows clearly psychologically that Bouddha has been a 5 in the enneagram ;)...as my old teacher was and as I am as his pupil...
so my old teacher Jean Klein gave and taught me with my psychological keywords in being a 5 and recognizing it, stopping all kinds of restistances for life; just accepting it as it comes to me and hey Isa see that it is ok ;)   another form of letting go of the Ego ....
and then the little ideas and looking   wow how beautiful is the state of meditation and also coming back into that world without being involved.....great folks just great coz it doesn't need  to deny your feelings but only demands not stepping into your own illusionary traps  
the stage of carefulness without any desire is amazing  
omG just could embrace the whole world...

p.s.
can't deny there must be some guidancies ....and feel fascinated from the idea and pic. to see Bouddha under the help of the cobra ;)  can't find any sculpture here :-/


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Hi Isa here 1-5 or 5-1 I feel that that gentleman called time has helped to integrate my energy as Yoga and meditation (prayer as a lukewarm believer, raised in Catholic faith, but personally loving theological and ethical, philosophical issues).
Do you remember Martha and Mary in the Gospel with Jesus guest ?  I would be just trying to address great theoretical issues and I would like not to be distracted  by routine duties, housework and this is my greatest difference as a child, Now I am a little more into real world of most people, but I want to have a refuge "Far from the madding world " to quote Thomas Hardy.
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dearest half of mine Maria Giovanna thanx for your fine statement and I do feel similar ...we so share the E and I's in our NT' ess ....depends of the %centages....
a bit monastic and Jeanne D'Arc- wise.....
have a fine sunday you too and feel tremendiously embraced by yours amiga Isa


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I hope it's all right if I throw prayer into this discussion.  That, to me, is calming and makes me feels complete.  It brings all the stray parts of my mind together.  In this way I'm not facing life by myself but I have the best help I can think of.
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I hope it's all right if I throw prayer into this discussion.  That, to me, is calming and makes me feels complete.  It brings all the stray parts of my mind together.  In this way I'm not facing life by myself but I have the best help I can think of.


Sounds good to me...I've always had a strong connection to a higher power...I learned this
from my dad who always spoke directly to God...and told everyone he ever met that God
answered him.....that he could have a regular dialogue any time he wanted... It was like this belief system I had as a child...that transcended religion.. I knew I could find God in my bathroom if I chose to look for him there...I always found God in trees....I know this sounds strange...but my affirmations from God would always appear in trees....The leaves would
move or a branch would sway...some active energy would always appear to me from a tree
when I spoke directly to God...  I always loved believing I was being acknowledged.  It's a very comforting feeling.

I agree NewHampshireGirl...prayer is calming and reassuring...and always give me focus too!

So, I'm throwing out this question to anyone who wants to answer...Is prayer important to you?




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God is more often in the bathroom than he is in churches, in my opinion.  Not bashing all churches, but a good many of them.


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I think you can commune with God in most places, except places you shouldn't be.  I wouldn't expect to feel much of a connection in an adult bookstore or in a nightclub, for example!
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TJota, I agree!!!

Ribbit , of course all depends of the churche,
once I went to a churche where were speaking about politics (no about God), finally I finished so stress


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The entire point of the early church was to build up and encourage.  Where is that today?  Okay, maybe I shouldn't ask that and open another can of worms.

Back to meditation and relaxation....Can you meditate (technically) while walking?  Or do I have to be sitting or laying down with my eyes shut?


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Quoted from Amazone I.
I'm just reading the newest book from Deepak Chopra about the *Bouddha*.

I like Deepok Chopra. According to him, I should be a vegetarian..I'm a Pitta/Kapha dosha. He's like Dr. D.
A doctor who meditates.    

I just got Holosync dvd's and I'm excited about the results that can be attained using them. (3 easy payments) I can't afford them, but my hope is that they'll help me to handle my stress to be able to do more and be more successful in life. I don't know if anyone here has them..?? I also got the Longevity cd with it that re-writes your genes    ! It's a Subliminal..Dr. D CD !!

Thank you for the cat poem Robert...beautiful..
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Quoted from Ribbit
The entire point of the early church was to build up and encourage.  Where is that today?  Okay, maybe I shouldn't ask that and open another can of worms.

Back to meditation and relaxation....Can you meditate (technically) while walking?  Or do I have to be sitting or laying down with my eyes shut?


You can absolutely do walking meditation.

http://www.wildmind.org/walking/overview


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Quoted from 815

I like Deepok Chopra. According to him, I should be a vegetarian..I'm a Pitta/Kapha dosha. He's like Dr. D.
A doctor who meditates.    

I just got Holosync dvd's and I'm excited about the results that can be attained using them. (3 easy payments) I can't afford them, but my hope is that they'll help me to handle my stress to be able to do more and be more successful in life. I don't know if anyone here has them..?? I also got the Longevity cd with it that re-writes your genes    ! It's a Subliminal..Dr. D CD !!

Thank you for the cat poem Robert...beautiful..


I like Chopra too...Diana, how did you determine your dosha type?  I have taken those
tests dozens of times and I am not a clear "type"....I noticed there is an Ayurvedic MD not
far from me...I might go check him out some time just to see how my diet measures up
with my dosha.

I had an acquaintance who did Holosync..Not sure what her results were..She was a super
negative person and probably never wanted to come out of her shell....You are NOTHING
like this woman! and I'm sure you'll have great success -- keep us posted with your progress)



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Hi Chloe,
My ex is a yogi. He told me I was a Pitta/Kapha (weight problem) and
all the tests I took told me I was a Pitta mostly. I hate hot, humid weather. I don't mind hot and dry, like Arizona..as long as I can escape to air conditioning when I need too. I'm medium boned, I've had oily hair and skin when I was younger, all typical of a Pitta. I'm also a little slow moving, weight creeps up, and calmer than the usual Pitta, slower to anger..that would be the Kapha part of me. Most people are usually a combo of 2 doshas.

I'll keep y'all posted on the Holosync results..if any. I'm all for technology if it improves on something.
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There was once when I was a teenager and our family went on a walk (which wasn't unusual), but this time was different.  It was a summer evening but there was a cool breeze blowing and suddenly I felt like I was at the beach.  I closed my eyes, hung on to Daddy's arm so I wouldn't fall over, and inhaled deeply.  I could have easily believed I was at the beach.  The air even smelled salty to me.  I suddenly got really dizzy and had to "snap" out of it, but it was so real!  Strange....


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