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Peppermint Twist
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I just think, they eat a lot of traditional food which just isn't that great for them as far as genotype goes but it has traditional significance.  My family is hispanic and our traditional food is green chili. We sit down at the table eating the stuff and saying "Yeah this is GOOOD", and after a while our heads start itching and we get several other reactions from it but, it's something that brings us closer at the dinner table, a tradition we can laugh about.  It's imperfection at it's best .

You make a very profound point, as sometimes it is worth a little imperfection, healthwise, in our diet, to maintain a tradition.  Then again, often there are substitutes that are good for our particular blood and/or genotypes that are just as good if not better than the original.  But in some situations, the original part of a tradition is important and even trumps eating the ideal perfect foods for our health, especially if it is something that we don't eat every day.  Like for example, I don't drink alcohol (good example considering the thread topic *lol*), but if I am at a traditional Passover seder, in which at several points in the going, wine is an important part of the ritual, I will drink some along with everyone else (unless non-alcoholic grape juice is offered as an alternative, which sometimes it is).  Now, if I were an alcoholic, of course I wouldn't.  But since I "merely" have a strong family history of it, I figure participating in the full, beautiful tradition of a Passover Seder a few times in my lifetime won't kill me off, and, more importantly, it is something I want to do.  The few times I've had the chance to do it, I've chosen to partake in the full, surround-sound experience.  It all comes down to the individual, as so much about the BTD/GTD lifestyle and world view does:  I can't make a blanket statement that making ideal diet choices for our health is always more important in every situation than tradition thus we should always maintain 100% compliance, or conversely that tradition is more important than health and thus we should chill out and eat some chilis.  It depends on the individual, the state of that person's health, what tradition we are talking about, how important is it to the person, how rare would the indulgence be, are there good substitute choices readily available, etc.

There are no easy, pat answers with the BTD/GTD lifestyle because it is all about individual choices that customize diet in tandem with our HOLISTIC lives (which also include cultures and families and traditions, etc., along with health, of course, which is a profoundly important consideration and for many people at most times the most important one).

Very complex and complicated, living this lifestyle, as it requires thinking things through, knowing yourself and what is important to you, recognizing that your priorities might not be the same at all times in all situations, and making your own choices.  Challenging, but very liberating and health-inducing on many levels.





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Then again, often there are substitutes that are good for our particular blood and/or genotypes that are just as good if not better than the original.  But in some situations, the original part of a tradition is important and even trumps eating the ideal perfect foods for our health, especially if it is something that we don't eat every day.


I agree. And the only thing I'm going to say about that is I'm Italian and we have our traditions also.  IMHO, we are raised the tradition of our mother's. Since my mother was Italian, I was raised on Italian, Mediterranean food.  I always wondered how Dr. D could give up tomato sauce, being Italian. But, his mother was Spanish, right? So I'm thinking he didn't eat pasta, much. It's soooo hard.    (Kind of like "Oh, sure, it's easy for you to say Dr. D!..." Juvenile, of me but it helps me when I cheat..lol..)Cheat? Me? Never!

But getting back to alcohol, do you feel anything when you do partake of the wine? Like, "OMG this is wonderful, I must have more?" I mean just because the alcoholism is in your family doesn't mean you're affected..IMO.   Also, is it an O thing too? Are the percentages of alcoholics more O's?
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I agree. And the only thing I'm going to say about that is I'm Italian and we have our traditions also.  IMHO, we are raised the tradition of our mother's. Since my mother was Italian, I was raised on Italian, Mediterranean food.  I always wondered how Dr. D could give up tomato sauce, being Italian. But, his mother was Spanish, right? So I'm thinking he didn't eat pasta, much. It's soooo hard.    (Kind of like "Oh, sure, it's easy for you to say Dr. D!..." Juvenile, of me but it helps me when I cheat..lol..)Cheat? Me? Never!

But getting back to alcohol, do you feel anything when you do partake of the wine? Like, "OMG this is wonderful, I must have more?" I mean just because the alcoholism is in your family doesn't mean you're affected..IMO.   Also, is it an O thing too? Are the percentages of alcoholics more O's?

It's more of a non-secretor thing, which I am.  The alcoholism gene is on both sides of my family but extremely so on my dad's side.  My dad was one of five brothers and sisters and they ALL but possibly one are alcoholics or recovering alcoholics.  That is four out of five.  His dad was an alcoholic, too.

Anyway...not taking any chances there, thank you very much, because like I said I've seen up close and personal just what alcohol does to a person and family.  To answer your Q, I think when I stopped, I was not a full-blown alcoholic yet (my addiction is CARBS, baby), or anything even close, but I was showing some signs of having the potential to develop into one.  It isn't like I craved alcohol or ever drank alone or anything, but I started noticing that when I would drink socially, I would drink to excess.  Not good in context of the family history!  I did start to like it a little too much.  And one blessing about such a tragic family history is that I knew the possible warning signs and I also know, again, how devastating alcoholism is, so I opted to stop, whoa yes wait a minute Mr. Postman!  Better to stop while the stopping was good, ya know?  I mean, given the family history.  Not worth flirting with that lot.


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It's more of a non-secretor thing, which I am.  The alcoholism gene is on both sides of my family but extremely so on my dad's side.  My dad was one of five brothers and sisters and they ALL but possibly one are alcoholics or recovering alcoholics.  That is four out of five.  His dad was an alcoholic, too.


Oh.  I understand now.  
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I try to stay away from wine, as it leads me to overindulgence and then beer and then hard liquor.  I tend to enjoy the relaxing foods too much.  
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I don't metabolize alcohol very well.  If I have two glasses of wine with dinner I'll still be feeling it when I wake up during the night many hours later.  On an empty stomach I can't handle more than half a glass, and I feel it circulating on the first or second sip.

Mayflower:
I don't metabolize alochol well either. I had 4 ounces after work on an empty stomach and my son had to drivee

I am a type O+ and find that after some alcohol I do not sleep well or if I wake up I cannot get back to sleep. IS there an exact explanation for this? What I have enjoyed most about this er4ybt diet is that it has explained alot about past illnesses reactions etc a few aha moments.

On another point, I come from Ireland where we have a tinker/itinerent culture, alot of the priests claim that this culture cannot metabolise alcohol and quickly changes them into agressive manners. Theer would be some interbreeding here also in these communities. This is not from studies, it is just from their observations. The itinerent/tinker tradition would usually have a very poor diet and their lifespan is not as long as the settled community.
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Hi Greenman, welcome to the forum! Love your handle! My father's family originated from Ireland also..He was an AB and he didn't metabolize alcohol, well as in it affected his health. He could hold his liquor though.. I'm Irish, English and Scottish on his side.
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Here's what happens to me on wine.  I drink a few sips and I feel all warm and calm.  Another
few sips and I'm starting to feel strangely silly and everything seems funny to me...even
maudlin subjects....  By the end of my third sip, I'm no longer happy and silly,
I'm starting to laugh at everything but I'm also ready to cry. I start feeling agitated like there
are huge creepy crawly things stuck in my body that have to get out...  If I actually drink the entire glass, I will have  to leave the table, go in the bathroom, sit down on the floor and cry for a few hours!  I cannot drink alcohol.  My father and his family could drink a lot of it.  My mother couldn't and one of my siblings can't.  If I were an alcoholic, I'm afraid I'd be placed  in a mental institution. My reaction to alcohol is pretty much like a person who is going berserk!

For resveratrol, I drink grape juice, and take the supplement.


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IS there an exact explanation for this?


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I don't indulge very often..anymore, especially since I've been more health conscious..and reading what Dr. D says about alcohol..

Hi, Thank you for the lovely welcome to the forum.
Is there a specific article by dr. d on alcohol, or is it from the books where he says it is an avoid?
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Is there a specific article by dr. d on alcohol, or is it from the books where he says it is an avoid?

Welcome, Greenman!

Dr. D. discusses alcohol in many places, here are just a few for you in which he discusses Type O's and alcohol and non-secretors and alcohol (not that you know your secretor status yet, but it is interesting and sheds light on the different compliance rating for Type O secretors and Type O non-secretors when it comes to red wine):

"Perhaps what is most interesting about being a non-secretor, is that apparently the gene is cross-linked to otherwise unrelated genes, such as the yet undiscovered gene for alcoholism. We know this because in two very large, well done studies, there is a distinct link between non-secretors and family histories of alcoholism. What makes the association even more bizarre is that non-secretors have also been shown to be the subset of people who get the cardiovascular benefits of wine consumption!"

Source:  http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php?blog=27&s=alcohol%20type%20o&paged=6

"VALUE CHANGE:
Beer was listed as NEUTRAL for type O in Eat Right For Your Type. Subsequent studies showed that the food is best avoided by type O individuals."

Source:  http://74.125.47.132/custom?q=.....k&cd=3&gl=us

Liquor, distilled:  "AVOID: Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility."

Source:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?231

"Red wine:  TYPE O:  

Secretor:
NEUTRAL

Non Secretor:
BENEFICIAL"

Source:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?454

My own note on red wine:  While it is paradoxically beneficial for us O non-secretors (by "us", I mean me, as you don't know your secretor status yet, Greenman), we also have to be very, very careful just to drink it in moderation because, as pointed out in another of the links I put in here for ya above, the non-secretor gene is linked to the gene for alcoholism.  So, moderation is the key!!!  As for Type O secretors (and most people--about 80% to 85% of people--are secretors), red wine is neutral.

White wine:  Type O avoid (for both secretors and non-secretors)

Source:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?455

Hope this helps!  Basically, red wine is the only alcohol that is okay for Type O's (beneficial for non-secretors, neutral for secretors), and moderation is the key.  Again:  WELCOME!



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Is there a specific article by dr. d on alcohol, or is it from the books where he says it is an avoid?


Hi Greenman..here's one answer that I found. You can search on Dr. D's website and find answers to many questions..

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/.....ND&submit=Search
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Thanks again for your welcome and the articles advice.

I am pretty new to this diet and would only say that I am 50-60% compliant. What I have enjoyed most about it is that by taking certain foods (avoids) from my diet I am feeling more healthy. I have had alot of 'aha' moments with the removal of white potatoe, peanuts and wheat from my diet.

I don't know my secretor status yet but intend to find out as a christmas present to myself.

I suppose I am just looking for the reason as to why alcohol is such a bad avoid.

THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP. THIS IS AN EXCELLENT COMMUNITY.
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I suppose I am just looking for the reason as to why alcohol is such a bad avoid.

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welllllllll.....it ain't a health food....but I've had the odd martini on occasion and more often, wine...use discretion.

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I think the more often I drink, the better I can handle it and the less it affects me.  If I go a couple of weeks without having a drink, then drink a glass of wine on an empty stomach, it definitely affects me.  I drank a lot of wine (compared to normal for me) over the last week, and by the end of the week I couldn't feel anything at all at the end of a glass and a half.  So maybe the tolerance thing is dose-related and cumulative.


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