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Peppermint Twist
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I had just been back on track for, what, about a week, when there was a knock on my door Christmas Eve and what ensued was something traumatic, horrible and awful.  Even though it is over now, my psyche and my physical body both don't seem to get that yet, there is a lag time in "bouncing back", and my diet has gone out the window again, with big-time stress eating.  But "stress" doesn't adequately describe it, it was major shock, horror, trauma, grief (don't worry, it was all an awful, awful case of mistaken identity and everyone I love is fine), and even though it is okay now, I just completely have gone off the deep end.

I think when you receive a psychic shock and your body mobilizes with cortisol, adrenaline, or both, you don't just "get over it", even if it turns out that things are okay.

All those fight-or-flight hormones pour into your system and there they are.  Combine that with the accessibility of all this "festive" holiday food around, and Twist here is completely off the rails again, and very dismayed about it.

I'm wondering if we could get a discussion going on the advanced nutritional concept of:  what to do, dietwise, when hit with a very psychically traumatic event.  Because you are going to have not only powerful hormones telling you to eat "comfort foods" such as refined carbs, sugars, fats, salt, etc., but you are also going to--if you have ever had even the slightest psychological coping mechanism of using food for comfort--have a psychological comfort eating factor kick in, and then like I said if you are surrounded by sugar and starch, it isn't going to be pretty.

Are there specific foods, exercises or other coping strategies that you guys can suggest to do when you unexpectedly (and usually a traumatic event is unexpected) find yourself coping with some sort of emergency, shock, trauma type of event?  The things I have thought of, not that I've done them, are as follows:

1.  First line of defense:  high compliance and a focus on BENEFICIALS (although this is hard to do in this situation, precisely because the cortisol and/or adrenaline are going to influence you to choose badly, like starch, sugar, high-fat, high sodium, etc.), especially those with brain-chemistry balancing, mood-enhancing and energy-bestowing effects, such as omega 3's.  What specific foods would you guys suggest?

2.  Exercise (this I did try to do a little of on Christmas Day, dog in tow, and it was lovely, as the weather here in Florida was STELLAR on Christmas).

3.  Pray.  Prayer helps me.  If you are not a prayer, try meditation or simply deep relaxation techniques, such as yoga's relaxation pose/asana.

4.  Consider supplements to help.  This is where I hope to generate some particularly interesting discussion.  I was thinking of supplements like CoQ10 for me, which I take anyway, and for other types, supplements like fish oil capsules.

5.  Sleep.  It is very hard for me to sleep when I'm shaken up, but it is important to lie there and give it the old college try, yes?

So, what specific foods, supplements and other coping strategies do any of y'all have to suggest for when one is hit with a major traumatic event?  Luckily, in this case, it all turned out to be okay for me, but your psyche and your body have a big lag time, turns out, before they "bounce back" from a horrific trauma, even if everything is now OKAY.  Tell that to all the stress hormones cursing through my veins.  Once your brain "releases the hounds!", i.e., adrenaline, cortisol et al., how do you counteract that?  How do you "work it off" in a healthy way, versus going haywire on diet?

I find that hormones are such powerful suckers, in many cases it is virtually impossible to "fight them".  But I'd like to think that if one is aware of what is happening, the old "knowledge is power" thing would have to kick in and one could at least do SOMETHING to mitigate the situation.

Thoughts?  Musings?  Anecdotes?  Advice?  Cute graphics?  I'm up for anything!



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I think I have no idea what you are trying to do with this.  
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I think I have no idea what you are trying to do with this.  

I'm not sure what is unclear to you.  As I stated pointedly and clearly (or so I thought *lol*!) in my post, I'm trying to generate a thread in which people suggest and discuss specific foods, exercise, supplements and other coping strategies for mitigating the impact on diet compliance of the powerful stress hormones that one's brain releases into one's system at the onset of a traumatic event, since if they are left unchecked/unmitigated, those hormones will wreck havoc with staying compliant on your diet.


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Peppylein.... I guess that all is about merely to feel *overwhelmed* I get it into this....infj's sometimes can rise up crisis coz of feeling likewise....may I ask you to get done a complete hormonal check
and btw...perhaps l'phenylalanine & l'carnitine would do the trick in getting the feeling of satiety.....and with the second we get the fatcells burnt at the same time, phenylalanine is a great depressionskiller as well  ok for especially O's anddddd....nada mas....till now ...


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Just one word: Rhodiola. First line of defense. Next: tyrosine. there're more, I'm sure.....how bout those roasted pumpkin seeds.....?(so good you could overdo them, but what the hey?)
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Peppylein.... I guess that all is about merely to feel *overwhelmed* I get it into this....infj's sometimes can rise up crisis coz of feeling likewise....may I ask you to get done a complete hormonal check
and btw...perhaps l'phenylalanine & l'carnitine would do the trick in getting the feeling of satiety.....and with the second we get the fatcells burnt at the same time, phenylalanine is a great depressionskiller as well  ok for especially O's anddddd....nada mas....till now ...

I don't know why people don't seem to understand the topic of my thread here.  I thought it was very clear.  Hmmmm.  Oh well.  Anyway, this is not about dealing with ongoing hormone imbalance(s), depression, or anything like that.  This thread is about counteracting, via diet, supplements and exercise, an influx of cortisol and/or adrenaline due to a specific, traumatic event.  It is very tricky because those hormones are going to make you want to do the opposite of what you need to do, and eat all wrong, which is what has happened in my case.  However, I do find that even though I've been knocked off track as far as diet due to a traumatic event that occurred on Christmas Eve, I am able to consciously tell myself to exercise, so at least if I do that, hopefully, I'll be working the stress hormones out of my body, which is key.

I'm hoping folks can suggest and discuss specific foods and supplements that work for them in such situations, because I thought it would be a very interesting topic from a BTD perspective, and one that hasn't been discussed much in the past, to my knowledge.  Isa, your suggestions are great for what they are for, but it isn't the topic of this thread, as the topic isn't ongoing hormonal balance/imbalance issues, it is about diet and exercise coping strategies for traumatic events that infuse one's bod with adrenaline and/or cortisol.

Put another way that hopefully will be clearer:  How do you flush out those two stress hormones (adrenaline and cortisol), when you have a huge/massive unexpected influx of them into your system due to your brain releasing them in response to a crisis/emergency-type situation?


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Just one word: Rhodiola. First line of defense. Next: tyrosine. there're more, I'm sure.....how bout those roasted pumpkin seeds.....?(so good you could overdo them, but what the hey?)

Okay, now, are you talking about eating the above to counteract adrenaline and cortisol, in other words, stress hormones that the body involuntarily infuses your system with in response to an emergency or trauma/crisis of some sort unfolding?  If so, carry on!  I just have to ask because Lloyd said he didn't understand the topic and then Isa responded but it didn't have to do with the topic, so now I just want to make sure that you are responding to what I think you are responding to, namely the correct topic!




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How do you flush out those two stress hormones (adrenaline and cortisol), when you have a huge/massive unexpected influx of them into your system due to your brain releasing them in response to a crisis/emergency-type situation?


I don't understand why you did not make this the first part of your original post, rather than burying it several posts down. The original post seems to be a mix of Sky Saw, Little Fishes and Eat Right 4 Your Type.

PS I think exercise is useful.
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Would the fix your looking for be different for each individual?
It seems your first post answers some of your own questions. I for one when I get stressed from what ever reason, I go to my special place and relax.
Special place = evening {dark quiet}, hot tub room, sit in hot tub, soothing music, incense and a glass of wine sometimes and let my mind go.
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If it was a false alarm or nothing that I can take immediate action to rectify, I will probably find a quiet place and do some breathing exercises  that I learned in martial arts and yoga. I will follow that up with a yoga class or other exercise, I will definitely pet the dog for a while and talk to her about it and if possible take her for a long scenic walk. I won't reach for coffee, alcohol, doughnus, or drugs. I know they don't help. Some good music with meaningfull lyrics  doesn't hurt. Chronic stress is different in someways.
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I don't understand why you did not make this the first part of your original post, rather than burying it several posts down.

I chose to word my posts as I thought clearest and best.  As far as the forum I chose to place it into after very careful and thoughtful consideration, I felt that it fit best into LR4YT because it is about advanced nutritional/diet and exercise concepts, ideas and applications of the BTD. As is the case with many topics, it could conceivably have fit into more than one forum (in this case, LR4YT or Fit Right, and even conceivably Sky Saw or Another Green World), so I chose the one I felt was made the most sense.  I thought it was a very fresh, interesting topic for LR4YT.  If others think so as well, I welcome their participation in the thread.


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Would the fix your looking for be different for each individual?

Well, as with most topics we discuss in our community, it would vary by type.  For example, fish oil capsules might make sense for A's but not O's.

I think maybe part of the reason some folks are confusigated about my topic is that I did not elaborate on what happened on Christmas Eve, which is very out of character for me *lol*!  I'm usually an elaborator.  But it just was such a horrifying, upsetting situation, I thought I would spare you all, just for once!  But I guess I at least need to make clear that I'm talking about traumatic events that trigger a massive release of stress hormones into the body.  Not ongoing stress, depression, anxiety, and/or hormone imbalance, but more an event that causes you to psychologically mobilize, such as being told, God forbid, that your child has been gravely injured.  Events that cause you to brace yourself, even to go into shock.  After 9/11, the nation went on a collective carb bender for weeks to months.  This is documented in studies of what flew off supermarket shelves, all things like potato chips, donuts, ice cream, etc.  This is how the body wants to respond.  Our challenge is to figure out how to turn that around, which is no small thing when hormones are involved.


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I think I would have a cookie preferably chocolate.


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I think I would have a cookie preferably chocolate.


Okay, obviously people (with the shining exception of gcg*, bless him!) are either not getting the point of this thread, or not taking it seriously.  Since one of the most frustrated people is a moderator, Lloyd, feel free to delete the entire thread.  I thought it was a great topic.  Guess not.

* edited to add:  And Jayney--sorry for overlooking you, Jayney!!!!


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The herb Holy Basil (Tulsi) is useful for clearing excessive cortisol.  I'm not sure what the effect would be on adrenaline.  

And this is not BTD related, but a bottle of rescue remedy is the fastest thing I know of to quickly normalize that fight or flight state in a crises (whether real or imagined).



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I totally get what you meant, PT.  I don't have any helpful things to add though, but your initial post was very clear to me.  

For me, once the incident was over (ie the accident victims carted away by medical pros, the bearer of shocking news gone, etc) it would be really important for me to be quiet and alone or with a very trusted soul and allow whatever was bubbling to be released.  To close my eyes and breathe.  Focus on my breath and just allow things to flow.  I have to say that food would be about the last thing on my mind for quite a while...I tend to NOT eat when I am so stressed that I feel ill.

In the aftermath, when I did get hungry, I would honestly be reluctant to eat anything that was not really good for me because I know I am particularly prone to....let's just say GI issues as it covers the gamut...when I am feeling stress.  

Once the whole thing was over and done with, and if it was not an ongoing issue (ie grief etc) I might have to be more cautious about food choices...like you say, focus on beneficials etc.  But I have lots of 'treat' and 'comfort' type foods that are beneficial so I'm usually ok.

Like I said, not particulary helpful...but it is an interesting thing to discuss for sure.


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The herb Holy Basil (Tulsi) is useful for clearing excessive cortisol.  I'm not sure what the effect would be on adrenaline.

Now we're getting somewhere!  Thanks, Victoria!
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And this is not BTD related, but a bottle of rescue remedy is the fastest thing I know of to quickly normalize that fight or flight state in a crises (whether real or imagined).

I can assure you that what unfolded on Chistmas Eve was all too real.  As you know, I am not a fan of Bach Flower Remedies.  However, I do thank you for sharing that idea because there are many people who swear by them, especially in a situation like what I'm describing.  So that is a great suggestion to have in the thread.

Actually, I could see trying the Rescue Remedy in a sitch like that.  I mean, it couldn't hurt, right?  It is only a few drops that you use, so the alcohol is negligible, especially in humans (in pets, its more of a question, imho).  So, why not try it?  It is very expensive, though.  It must keep forever, I would think, though, being alcohol-based, so since you only need a few drops per use, it actually comes out more affordable than what it appears.  It's just, again, for me, I doubt the whole theory of homeopathy in the aspect of drastically diluted "essences" of things.  But so many, many people swear by those flower remedies, I will say that.


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Rescue Remedy is very inexpensive when you don't overuse it.  The bottle you buy is the stock bottle, so you could put 3 or 5 drops into a clean 2 oz dropper bottle, fill it with chemical-free water and keep in the fridge.  That is what you use; just a squeeze under the tongue, every few minutes until you (or an animal) calm down.  It can be squeezed into a water bottle also.



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I totally get what you meant, PT.  I don't have any helpful things to add though, but your initial post was very clear to me.

Thank goodness you said that!     I was starting to wonder, am I going crazy here?
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For me, once the incident was over (ie the accident victims carted away by medical pros, the bearer of shocking news gone, etc) it would be really important for me to be quiet and alone or with a very trusted soul and allow whatever was bubbling to be released.  To close my eyes and breathe.  Focus on my breath and just allow things to flow.  I have to say that food would be about the last thing on my mind for quite a while...I tend to NOT eat when I am so stressed that I feel ill.

Me, too.  That could contribute to the problem, though, if the situation went on for any length of time, as you must take care of yourself to be any use to others.  In my case, the situation was actually pretty quick, but it was so traumatic that it is impossible for me to "switch gears" and just return to normal.  I think exercise is a huge key, as that is pretty much the only thing that will definitely speed/usher the stress hormones out.  They are there for a functional reason, or what would have been functional back when we were all hunter-gatherers:  they brace you and bolster you to cope with a huge stress.  But in our modern society, we usually don't have to run from bears, so we don't "work off" the hormones in response to the situation, they just sit there, wrecking havoc.  I'm with you, you don't want to eat at a time like that, so probably you should honor that instinct, but then again, if it goes on for anything other than a very short time, you HAVE to eat and it should be deeply nourishing, like beneficial soup or fish chowder something.
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In the aftermath, when I did get hungry, I would honestly be reluctant to eat anything that was not really good for me because I know I am particularly prone to....let's just say GI issues as it covers the gamut...when I am feeling stress.

Ah, indeed.  Gotcha.  Well, that then helps to keep you compliant, luckily!  I'm challenged because when I finally would want to eat, it would be something REALLY bad for me at a time like that, if it was what was around...but then again, if I had good stuff around, I hope I would go for it instead, knowing what I know about the importance of the choice.  In my case, the next day was Christmas and I was surrounded by BAAAAD stuff.  The thing is to choose well initially because if you get off track even "momentarily", that can turn into simply being off track.  And it is hard if you find yourself in a hospital waiting room for hours or whatever.  It is like everything in a crisis situation conspires to throw you off your diet and off of taking good care of yourself, just when you most need to!
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Once the whole thing was over and done with, and if it was not an ongoing issue (ie grief etc) I might have to be more cautious about food choices...like you say, focus on beneficials etc.  But I have lots of 'treat' and 'comfort' type foods that are beneficial so I'm usually ok.

That's what was weird about this (among other things), my brain and body were all prepared for grief and launching into grief and then, just like that:  no, it was a horrible, awful mistake.  Well, I can't switch gears just like that.  I think I stripped my psychic and physiological gears!  I need a new transmission.


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It's just, again, for me, I doubt the whole theory of homeopathy in the aspect of drastically diluted "essences" of things.  But so many, many people swear by those flower remedies, I will say that.

Understand that it is the energy signature, which water has the ability to store, of the homeopathic remedies that provide the healing effect, not the molecules of any substance.

Also you might want to look at the study of hormesis.



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Understand that it is the energy signature, which water has the ability to store, of the homeopathic remedies that provide the healing effect, not the molecules of any substance.

Good point.  I will consider it and try to keep an open mind in further studying homeopathy.  There are other principles of homeopathy (like "the law of similars") that I readily grok and that ring true to me.  It's just this one I have trouble with.  For example, wouldn't the "energy signature", the unique individual energy, put out by the bottle the water is in affect the water as much as the substance we want?  And what about the energy of the alcohol?  But I do get what you are saying and I will stay open to studying it further before dismissing the concept totally.  Again, it is impressive to me just how many people swear by Rescue Remedy and other flower essences, including many people I greatly respect, such as our own Brighid45.



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thatswhy I told ya about that aminoacid ...hmmmm the very first thought was also about Rhodiola but then.....perhaps some lecker brahmi would do the trick as well
I guess here the real problem might be catecholamines ...not anything else ----laaaaa.....  and pr-menopausal issues .... omG...of course it was meant: pr-menopausal.....sorry, sorry Peppy ...


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Rescue Remedy is fantastic, don't knock it 'til you try it!  

Catechol is also great - contains rhodiola, but also other ingredients specifically to help with O type stress, which is adrenaline based (more so than cortisol).  If I remember correctly from LR4YT (which, BTW, is a great forum to put this in, I think), Os produce lots of catecholamines (epinephrine and norepinephrine), but then have trouble clearing them out.  This is what Catechol is made for.  I have found it effective and it isn't expensive.

Other than those things, meditation can help mentally/emotionally and help to stick to your other suggestions (diet, sleep, etc).  Meditation practice has helped me learn to detach from the stressful situation and quiet the mind when necessary.  


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I chose to word my posts as I thought clearest and best.  As far as the forum I chose to place it into after very careful and thoughtful consideration, I felt that it fit best into LR4YT because it is about advanced nutritional/diet and exercise concepts, ideas and applications of the BTD. As is the case with many topics, it could conceivably have fit into more than one forum (in this case, LR4YT or Fit Right, and even conceivably Sky Saw or Another Green World), so I chose the one I felt was made the most sense.  I thought it was a very fresh, interesting topic for LR4YT.  If others think so as well, I welcome their participation in the thread.


I never implied that you did not use consideration in placing the thread, nor that it belonged in one place rather than another. However, participation in the thread will be better if those that read the original post can garner a sense of what you are looking for. To that end, I still wonder why you did not put the statement of yours that I quoted in a prior post at the beginning of your original post (via edit) whereby a number of additional participants could be attracted. The choice is entirely yours, the suggestion is one that I think you might consider more strongly.
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I'm not sure what is unclear to you.  As I stated pointedly and clearly (or so I thought *lol*!) in my post, I'm trying to generate a thread in which people suggest and discuss specific foods, exercise, supplements and other coping strategies for mitigating the impact on diet compliance of the powerful stress hormones that one's brain releases into one's system at the onset of a traumatic event, since if they are left unchecked/unmitigated, those hormones will wreck havoc with staying compliant on your diet.


And that's what I read in the first post too.  Right there where you said:
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Are there specific foods, exercises or other coping strategies that you guys can suggest...
  

Your clarification was more specific to flushing adrenaline and cortisol out of the system, but I thought your original thought was to have a discussion about dealing with sudden stress with the goal of maintaining some equilibrium (in diet especially) in the face of craziness.  Interesting topic.  No worries, I think people can follow the evolving thread.


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PT, your post has been very clear to me.
I agree on the rescue remedy, it is great stuff.
If a disturbing event happens and this event triggers a strong emotion, my psychologist receommended 'just sit with it'.
To explain what I mean by this (or what she means by this), here is a quote "Just don't move. Let yourself be completely present to the emotion. Welcome it. If a negative emotion arises, don't run away from it; don't run off to the refrigerator to eat some food to cover it up; don't turn on the television to distract yourself from it; don't call your friends to disperse its energy by gossiping about it. Just stop and FEEL it. Just let yourself be PRESENT to it. You'll find if you don't try to distract yourself from it, or push it away, or, worse still dump it on someone else; if you STAY STILL, if you are really PRESENT to it - in the very core of the feeling you will find peace. So when you feel a powerful emotion, just let it be - don't move. Weldome it." The quote is from Brandon Bays book "the journey", p. 54.
I have tried it and it has worked wonders for me.
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I think when you are reeling from something shocking, and then it turns out not to be true, it is something like a double whammy for your body as it produces one huge physiological response to the shock, and then another response to the relief. Both are taxing in their own way. I am thinking about a friend of mine in college who's father got a call to come identify her body down at the morgue in the middle of the night. Obviously, it turned out not to be her body at the morgue... but can you imagine being woken out of a sound sleep to such devastating news, preparing your heart, mind and soul to face such a tragedy... and then the enormous relief at it not being true? Wonderful ending, yes... but still traumatic!

I would do like some of the others... time alone moving, and breathing, and being by myself. Soothing teas and warm drinks often provide that comfy feeling too... hanging out with friends... whatever I would find relaxing. Rescue remedy has been very helpful for me when other methods provide little relief. And I would watch for signs of imbalance establishing down the road....


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No worries, I think people can follow the evolving thread.


I'm sure that every thread on the forum that has more than 1 page has evolved...

I feel you PT, sometimes you have to talk for a while before you finally find the right words to say what you mean!
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PT, you could do a little test on the effectiveness of rescue remedy by trying it.  

I have used it for 20 years on my family at times when one of them (such as one of the kids) was having an emotional melt-down.  I found it to calm them by the second dose (5 minutes apart).  These tests convinced me because they did not know they were being treated with the R.R.  I would just put a few drops in whatever they were drinking.  

When I take it, I feel the calming effects instantly.  My heart rate slows, breathing becomes deeper, and the feeling of panic dissipates.



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The first time I tried Rescue Remedy was when I was going through a very emotionally crazy time in my life.  I saw the box in a store and on the box it said "to comfort & reassure".  Those were exactly what I needed!  So even though at that time I thought anything homeopathic was c**p, I bought it, thinking that it was worth trying for the price.  At the very least, any sort of placebo effect would be worth it if it made any difference in how I felt.

If I am stressed or sad or whatever, I have a lot of trouble at night and usually cannot sleep.  I took Rescue Remedy in water before bed and found myself feeling peaceful and serene before bed and fell asleep with no problem!  My problems were the same, but I felt like I could find some inner peace from them...  I was truly amazed.  

That was my first experience with anything even resembling homeopathy and I have since seen homeopathic medicine used to achieve unbelievable things on myself, other people, and even pets.  When you see a major shift in an animal, you know this is for real.  Now homeopathy is a major interest for me and will likely be a major part of my practice when I am an ND.


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We use RR a lot too.  If I were having trouble winding down from a sudden stressful situation, I think I'd down a few drops of RR and "live in the moment," as Curious suggested.  A benefit to feeling it when it's there, fully, and welcoming it as reality (even if you find out later it's not), is that you don't have to deal with it later.  When you squelch stress it goes chronic and then years later the issue pops back up and you have to deal with it emotionally then.  Better to deal with it when it happens.  I know ...  of what....I speak.

I used RR last night.  My husband got his second round of the stomach virus we've been dealing with (it came it two parts for everybody except me).  He was shaking so bad with the fever that it was beginning to scare me.  I took his temp and it was only 100.8.  Good grief, I thought.  Why's he doing this?  100.8 is no big deal.  Then I realized maybe he was shivering because it was going up so fast, not because it was high.  Anyway, I looked through my cabinet to see what was there, and I found RR and Feverfew tincture.  I mixed up a concoction and made him drink it.  Within minutes he stopped shaking, started breathing normally, stopped saying over and over that he was freezing, and eventually he went to sleep.  Amazing stuff.  He even kept down his dinner (lamburgers, sweet potatoes and steamed broccoli).

When my son was born (at home with a midwife), he showed some stress, evidenced by rapid breathing.  (And no wonder he was stressed--he got stuck at the shoulders for a few more minutes than was good for him--and no wonder he was stuck at the shoulders--he was a huge, 10 lbs. 5 oz., barrel-chested baby).  My midwife gave him a few drops of RR and his respirations immediately became normal.

I know stress.  I know chronic stress mostly.  (Ah, the things families can do to us.)  But just recently I found out a guy I knew growing up left the same religious cult I left 6 years ago.  I found out on a Friday night.  I knew I wouldn't be able to contact him until Monday.  On Saturday morning I began experiencing the exact same (exept more extreme, strangely) physical symptoms that I experienced when I left.  It was like I was leaving all over again.  The fear, the paranoia of them coming after me, knowing they were trying to find me, knowing what they were saying about me, knowing the lies they'd make up, knowing I was losing my entire family...talk about adrenaline and cortisol!  I made myself so sick worrying about this guy that I came down with a migraine, I vomited, and my legs started aching.  (When my chiropractor adjusted me a few days later she felt my neck and said, "Hm.  Rough weekend?")  We're now e-mailing each other, and I'm trying to encourage him as gently as I can to remain an ex-member and not panic and go back, even though his family has shunned him.  

Well, I didn't mean to go into all that.  I just wanted to say that when I get uptight about something, I use RR to calm myself.  It's not just psychological--I use it on my children too.


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I guess here the real problem might be catecholamines ...not anything else ----laaaaa.....  and pr-menopausal issues

Isa, I'll try to clarify one last time as to the intended topic of this thread/discussion:  it is not to do with perimenapause, ongoing stress, depression, hormone imbalance or anything like that.  It is specifically about just how Kate (Whimsical) posted that she took it, as well as several other participants in the thread who do grok the topic:  it is about "tips, tricks and tonics" (as this one guy always says on a gardening show on PBS) to attempt to stay on track with diet when one's brain has released a ton of adrenaline and/or cortisol into one's body due to a crisis, emergency and/or trauma type event.  Such an extreme influx of stress hormones is functional if one needs to run away from a bear or even go to a hospital emergency room with a loved one and stay up all night, or keep oneself alive when one's car plunged into a ditch at night, etc.  Adrenaline and cortisol do serve a purpose, that is why our bodies evolved to release them into our systems in certain situations.  But if you have such an influx of hormones and then you don't DO something with them, the challenge then becomes clearing them out of your system because, as Dr. Nicholas Perricone says, they are "bad actors" in the system.  They wreck havoc and cause a lot of damage.  They only belong in our bodies for short periods of time when we need a burst of energy, focus, etc.  When they stick around longer than needed, they become the aforementioned "bad actors".  The very best and most effective way to try to clear them out is via aerobic exercise and/or exercise such as yoga, all depending on your type.  This thread is about specific suggestions and insights on exercises, foods and supplements to keep one from being totally derailed by such an event, and to get one back on track if one is knocked completely off the rails.

Victoria, is "holy basil" the regular type of fresh basil one can buy at most stores?  I meant to ask yesterday but had to spend so much time explaining the nature of the topic that I didn't have time.  Speaking of time, gotta go, work is shaping up to be wacky today, but I'll be back later.



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I think when you are reeling from something shocking, and then it turns out not to be true, it is something like a double whammy for your body as it produces one huge physiological response to the shock, and then another response to the relief. Both are taxing in their own way. I am thinking about a friend of mine in college who's father got a call to come identify her body down at the morgue in the middle of the night. Obviously, it turned out not to be her body at the morgue... but can you imagine being woken out of a sound sleep to such devastating news, preparing your heart, mind and soul to face such a tragedy... and then the enormous relief at it not being true? Wonderful ending, yes... but still traumatic!

This was very much the dynamic of the specific situation I'm talking about, almost to the letter.



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PT, your post has been very clear to me.
I agree on the rescue remedy, it is great stuff.
If a disturbing event happens and this event triggers a strong emotion, my psychologist receommended 'just sit with it'.
To explain what I mean by this (or what she means by this), here is a quote "Just don't move. Let yourself be completely present to the emotion. Welcome it. If a negative emotion arises, don't run away from it; don't run off to the refrigerator to eat some food to cover it up; don't turn on the television to distract yourself from it; don't call your friends to disperse its energy by gossiping about it. Just stop and FEEL it. Just let yourself be PRESENT to it.

This is excellent, very wise advice.  As kk (kimonokat of this forum) once said to me years ago "be comfortable with your discomfort".  Just let.  This is hard for me on a good day, let alone in a traumatic situation, yet so important to processing it in a healthy, healing way.

I have tried to do that, and also tried the equally important business of consciously "IMing my brain" with the message that things are okay, so that hopefully I can help redirect my brain from crisis mode, from stress-hormone dumping mode, into baseline, relatively calm (!) mode.  I mean, my baseline is a stressed-out, anxious person (what?  no?  you, PT?), but that is a seperate issue *lol*!  There is a big difference between ongoing stress and a shock and awe event.

The shock and awe event did throw me for a loop, completely off track, where I had only been back for about a week and I was lovin' it!!!!  I think I might--might--have been okay, dietwise, had the next day not been Christmas and I found myself surrounded by all these tempting avoids where I was.  But I can't blame Christmas, it was just as the quote in this post describes, I was trying to avoid feeling the experience by eating comfort foods.  And not good, nourishing, BTD comfort foods like homemade soup or stew or something, no, I'm talking baaaaaaahd junk.  Once adrenaline and cortisol is cursing through your system, not to mention the emotional component of it all, if that stuff is available and you are the type of person to turn to it for comfort, it is pretty much a fate accompli.  I don't beat myself up too much for that, but I am trying the slow climb out to get back on track.

So, what have we learned thus far (because I gotta go yet again--the thing I left to do earlier had to be put off for about half an hour, but now it is getting about that time)?  Well, here's my thinking on coping with adrenaline/cortisol, as well as the emotional components of a crisis situation, once the crisis abates:

1.  EXERCISE.  This is one sure way to clear out the stress hormones before they can do their worst in your system.

2.  Talk to your brain.  Sounds silly at best and insane at worst *lol*, but telling yourself clearly and simply that things are okay, etc., can really help.

3.  Allow yourself to feel the difficult stuff.  Just let.  Let the feelings flow in and out of you like the ocean tides, knowing you can't control them and don't need to try.  Accept the feelings as they come and go.  They don't need to be rational or make sense, either.  They are feelings.  Let.  Accept.

4.  Numbers 2 and 3 are not in conflict.  You can tell yourself all is well without judging yourself if you feel bad or sad, shaken up, etc.  You can tell yourself all is well in a loving, accepting way, that still allows for the free flow of any and all feelings that come.

5.  Eat right for your type!  FAR easier said than done at a time like that, but do try.

6.  Okay, what specific supplements and remedies are we liking as a group in this thread?  Rescue Remedy seems VERY big with the BTD crowd!  And on the strength of your recommendations and points you've made, I'm actually thinking of shelling out for this stuff again.  But I'm still very skeptical...still, Don made a great point about water remembering "energy signatures" and everyone else has personally attested to how effective this stuff is.  The point about how witnessing it work in pets is impressive does seem valid, although the alcohol content alone could be calming to the pet, no?  I don't know, I honestly don't.  On the one hand, the personal testimonials to this stuff are extremely impressive.  On the other hand, the whole theory behind it, honestly, I just am very skeptical about.  But I gotta go again versus elaborate because I just got a call that the computer I need is ready for me.  So, real quick, specific foods and supplements suggested to this point are:  holy basil, Rescue Remedy (a Bach Flower Essence), Catechol, Rhodiola...and I'm probably leaving stuff out, but later guys!  Great thread, I'm glad you guys get the topic, because I think it is an important one.  I am so with Perricone that stress hormones are "bad actors" (love that term, it is so apt and comprehensive) in the body unless you really do happen to be being chased by a bear for ten miles, or you need to lift a Mack truck off a toddler, or whatever.  At such times, adrenaline is truly a gift from God.  And, bless our brains, when they "release the hounds", they think it is such a situation and they are only trying to help, only doing their jobs.  So then it becomes our jobs to help the brain and body calm down, let go, let in, let out, and heal from such a sitch.

GOT to go, sorry my posts have been so rushy-rushy in this thread because I do think the topic deserves thoughtful responses, yet TIME seems to be in short supply today.  Later, dudes.


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As I think GCG said Yoga!
I practice yoga everyday and since it is now an everyday thing in my life I forget the benefits since they are with me all the time {like breathing.. ya don't have to tell yourself to do it it comes natural}
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/yoga/MM00650
forward bends and downward facing dog are some of my favorites, they allow more circulation to the thyroid and brain among other organs. Once you get in the practice of yoga you will always have that friend to fall back on and take control of you mind and body. My 2 cents for the day.
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If you have the time and  a little privacy here is a little chi kung exercise. Stand with your feet shoulder distance apart and the toes facing slightly inward, let the knees be slightly bent. As you breath in slowly though the nose raise your hand in time with the inhale palm upto chest high. Then exhale out the mouth pushing your hands palm out away from your chest. Inhale bringing your hands back to the chest. It is natural to rise a little higher when inhaling and sink a little lower when exhaling. Exhale slowly pushing your hands palm down. Repeat this cycle. After the first couple of cycles imagine inhaling blue or green light/energy down into your diaphram and exhaling toxic black smoke/stress up your lungs and out your hands. When you feel calm , sense your shoulders, if they are hunched high and forward lift them higher then sit them back down lower and back.
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I know stress.  I know chronic stress mostly.  (Ah, the things families can do to us.)

Word up.  As drive55 would say, "I feel you".  A lot of the ideas in this thread would be helpful for chronic, ongoing stress, too.  In fact, we are designed to be able to cope well with short bursts of stress, but it is the ongoing stress that is the killer, especially when we have hormones like cortisol floatin' around in us at elevated levels on a regular basis.  I think I have that, big time.  And while this topic is really focused on eradicating the extreme bursts of those hormones that infuse your system in a traumatic situation, you could certainly apply basically all of it to alleviating chronic stress as well.

I know I need to pay more attention, focus and action into stress-busting strategies and protocols.

What has been rough for me with this situation is as Victoria describes, the gear shifting.  One minute, I'm settling in to enjoy a much-needed holiday, tuning in one of my two fave movies of all time, "It's a Wonderful Life", and snuggling under a quilt with a kitty I didn't think would still be here for Christmas, looking forward to the next day and spending it visiting friends and then hanging with my mom, relaxing and counting blessings.  The next minute, there is a knock at the door and I found myself confronted with a horrible crisis, thinking it was my loved one injured or dead.  And that is the short version, but it was something to then find out, no, it's not her, but it is SOMEONE and its awful, but now we're all just supposed to forget it and have a merry Christmas?  I'm not wired that way.

So, I like the advice about just letting yourself feel what you feel, even if it is upsetting.  Let yourself be upset.  At the same time, it is good to remind yourself that it is okay now, etc.

I'm thinking another good thing besides all the above great ideas would be to get a good massage.  I'm talking deep tissue here!  That will physically "break up" and release a lot of the stress that actually settles in and makes itself at home in your body.

Gotta go AGAIN, sorry.  I keep reading and responding to this thread in dribs and drabs.  I'm off to get a jackfruit shake at the Vietnamese place, as I decided recently that jackfruit is da bomb.  Later, dudes.



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P,T. your situation sounds so upsetting. Good suggestions, though. So glad it was only a false alarm...(for you, anyway)
And Ribbit, I can't help responding to your sharing...you are very brave!!! God bless you!
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Holy basil is not culinary basil.  It is a relative, called Tulsi, native to India, and perhaps other countries of similiar climate.  You can find supplements in the health food store.  Teas are available, but not strong enough, in my opinion, to be of much therapeutic value.



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Another way I was told to get rid of unwanted thoughts and stress was to:
on a full moon night at midnight
go to a secluded place, preferably a hill or high place.
YELL and SCREAM ALL OF WHAT IS BOTTLED UP and bothering you.




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P,T. your situation sounds so upsetting.

It so was.  That's why for once I'm not going into detail, because just for once I've decided to spare you all some drama.  I wish I would have spared myself this particular drama by NOT opening the front door.  THAT is the moral of this story:  NEVER open your door.  If I hadn't, everything would have been just FINE and I wouldn't be haunted by the victim of this horrible scene.  I would have watched "It's a Wonderful Life" as planned and commenced a relaxing, grateful, rejuventating, warm holiday.  But since it was Christmas Eve, and earlier a neighbor child had stopped over with a gift card to, where else, the HFS (how well they know me *lol*), I thought, okay, let's see who's at the door.  No doubt someone wishing me good holiday cheer and bearing egg nog or something.

Wrong.  Again, never answer your front door.  No good can come of it.


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Another way I was told to get rid of unwanted thoughts and stress was to:  on a full moon night at midnight
go to a secluded place, preferably a hill or high place.
YELL and SCREAM ALL OF WHAT IS BOTTLED UP and bothering you.

it works

Primal scream therapy is always a winner!  Great suggestion, Rodney!  And the full moon couldn't hurt, either, though I had never heard that was a requisite!


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Again, never answer your front door.  No good can come of it.


Now if you were a good southerner, you'd have already known that decent people always come to your side or back door, and that would have saved you a lot of grief!
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The herb Holy Basil (Tulsi) is useful for clearing excessive cortisol.  I'm not sure what the effect would be on adrenaline.  

And this is not BTD related, but a bottle of rescue remedy is the fastest thing I know of to quickly normalize that fight or flight state in a crises (whether real or imagined).

Okay, girl, I've decided I'm definitely going to get the supplement Holy Basil, if they have it at the HFS.  The supplement pup there is SO good.  He'll steer me correctly.  As for the Rescue Remedy, I can't believe I'm even toying with buying that!  I bought it once long about 2001 for the dog but never gave it to her once I opened it and realized it was, or seemed to me at the time anyway, to be nothing but alcohol, and very expensive alcohol at that.  I ended up throwing it out in disgust.

But you and Brig and Kate and everyone are all so positive about how great it is, that it does give me pause, as you are all very intelligent, wise peeps.  I just might get myself another one.  But the holy basil, definitely is getting purchased.  ...Well, let's see the price first, but very probably.  I don't say definitely because everything has gone up SO much!!!



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Now if you were a good southerner, you'd have already known that decent people always come to your side or back door, and that would have saved you a lot of grief!

Okay, you just cleared up a mystery for me!!!  My friend, Stan, always comes into the backyard and scares the living daylights outta me when he taps on the french doors, as the backyard is fenced and he has to go through (or OVER in his case--he is very tall and just steps OVER my three-foot fence!) a hurdle to get there.  He grew up in Florida.  That explains so much, I should have known it would explain his propensity for going to the back door, too!!!

Southerners are a mystery to me.  But, I figure (or, should I say, I reckon?   ), I've got a BA in cultural-anthropology, I should be able to study them and understand their exotic ways *lol*!!!


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P.S.  By the way, drive, are you originally from Richmond?  Because I grew up not too far north of you, in the Maryland burbs of DC.  But that Mason-Dixon line is truly the cultural divide between north and south, isn't it?!  Whew doggies, I set one toe from MD into Virginia and I fell like I've hit the deeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEP south!  Wild, wild stuff.


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three responses i can remember from the last 3 situations of high-cortisol / adrenaline / shock; (..eating seems to be the last thing i want in such states.)

1. drinking glass after glass of water. with sea salt. literally, it was all i could think to do after receiving some dream-breaking news on the telephone -and being alone really helped -couldnt think of anything worse than facing someone and them asking what was wrong. I have never been able to drink so much water in my life, i felt it was what i needed.
I kept up the extra water drinking for the whole week, it seemed to help!? It also made my skin glow..?! and someohow that made me better prepared for the second stage unfolding of said situation.

2. swimming!!! I swam a kilometre when i was reeling from a 'surprise' break-up, it was a really great way to clear the mind and body, combined with extra yoga classes that entire year. swimming is an awesome release, try it!!

3. nothing. Most recent psychic shock was just this last weekend..and besides helping best i could, i felt very calm and sure of what i had to do, it was the aftershock that was difficult to deal with, talking about it with the other people who were involved helped, but i felt shaken for days. I had the rescue remedy, but in the moment it didnt get my second thought. i wish i had of thought of it for the person involved. and myself!
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I wish I had a magic solution.

I do keep a supplement mixture on hand to lower cortisol
(a number of these herbs have already been mentioned)


    Vitamin C
    Chromium
    Vanadium  
    Magnolia Bark Extract (Magnolia officinalis)
    Phellodendron Bark Extract (Phellodendron amurense),
    Holy Basil Leaves Extract (Ocimum sanctum ursolic acid),
    Green Tea Extract (Camellia sinensis),  
    l-theanine (Suntheanine),
    DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone)  
    Banaba Leaf (Laegerstromia speciosa corosolic acid)

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Alternative nostril breathing helps me more than the herbs.
Although if the shock/terror is too great sometimes I have trouble getting myself calmed down enough to do the alternative nostril breathing.

I hope that my suggestions come too late for you PT.

For me it is horrible to be in a place where we are so emotional freaked out that one cannot calm down enough to do relaxation exercises. I hear that there are some drugs to knock oneself back inline, but I am not comfortable enough with them to use them.  


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Quoted from Peppermint Twist
P.S.  By the way, drive, are you originally from Richmond?  Because I grew up not too far north of you, in the Maryland burbs of DC.  But that Mason-Dixon line is truly the cultural divide between north and south, isn't it?!  Whew doggies, I set one toe from MD into Virginia and I fell like I've hit the deeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEP south!  Wild, wild stuff.


Nope, I moved here on a whim back in February (see, I told you I'm a Nomad!).  I'm from eastern North Carolina, a little rinky-dink spot in the road called Pollocksville, population <1000.  I agree, there's a big difference between MD and VA, the Mason-Dixon line pretty clearly runs along that border!

You should know that y'all yanks can be quite a cultural mystery to us also!  FYI, if you aren't in the Florida panhandle, you're not really in the South; the peninsula is just an annex of New England!
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PT, this is another push for you to try the Rescue Remedy. I usually don't react to homeopatics (they just don't do anything for me), but Rescue Remedy works for me - it calms me down in an instant.
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I just read the first few posts in this thread, and I understand exactly what you mean and what you're trying to put together.

My first thought is to recommend physical activity, the more strenuous the better, load-bearing and intense.  This would be "first-aid."  It should be an activity that requires "mindfullness," so that you focus on the task at hand rather than let your mind dwell on the trauma.  Shoveling snow or tree pruning and log cutting are two great activities for me because they turn nervous energy into productive energy.  Hiking uphill with a heavy backpack also is good, especially if the footing is a bit dangerous.  These activities get me outside two ways -- into the outdoors and outside my obsessive-compulsive mind that tends to ruminate over things.

I'd have a seltzer and cherry juice mix -- 3 parts seltzer and 1 part juice -- to calm my stomach.

I'm brand new to ginger tea.  I think it might be good.  Maybe it would work for me if I had some already prepared and in the 'fridge.  I'd have it with seltzer, like a homemade ginger ale.

I take Isocort regularly, so I would also increase the dose a bit.

Food would be the last thing on my mind, but I'd try to have a small snack, probably a high protein energy bar that's easy to digest.

I'm sorry you got hit with this, but I'm glad it was a false alarm.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Great posts, y'all.

I didn't get the holy basil or Rescue Remedy, as the HFS parking lot was a total ZOO, you couldn't even turn into the thaaang, so I decided to give up on it until after New Year's Day.

Meanwhile, I exercised this weekend and tried to rest, although a certain Drama Queen of a neighbor had to try to drag me into her drama just when I was finally beginning to recover from Christmas Eve.  Still, got through all that and now it looks like my kitty, Ember, is doing poorly again in a new way and the vet is in Colorado, the entire practice closed until Wednesday, at which point he still will be in CO but apparently his associate, whom I have never met, will be in.  So the timing blows and I may end up having to make an end-of-life decision on Ember at the animal ER, which I do anything and everything to avoid, as they don't know her complex medical profile and history, etc.  They aren't her vet.  So I'm hoping she troops on until next week when he is back...but it isn't looking so great right now.

All that is by way of saying that I am now over the Christmas Eve trauma (kinda sorta) and on to Round Something (I've lost count) with my poor kitty, Ember, who has had a very challenging year and could be at the end (although I've thought that twice before and she has pulled it out).  I would hate for it to end when the vet is in Colorado, so it would be with a stranger and someone who doesn't know Ember/the case anywhere near as well as he does.  To the associate, Ember is just a file hanging on the door, ya know?  But her own vet really knows her and could make a better assessment, me guesses.  I feel I could then in turn make a better decision that I would feel more confident in.  But of course this goes down while he is away for the week.  Timing is everything, my mom always says.

Anyway, since everyone is SO into this Rescue Remedy, praises-singing-wise, I think I will get some when I can, as well as the holy basil, because when Ember does go, it couldn't hurt to employ those to help me through, right?

Great thread, thanks, all.


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