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If it's not a food thing then it's an aging thing then. What is your age?
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As stated above - Stick to the Beneficials as much as you can and this will "rebalance" the body for the most part, given time..

However, besides water or air fasts, the rest are not fasts by definition. They are cleanses or diets. And a "fast" of less than 24 hours is not a fast, but there isn't a good English word for it either.
It takes several days to get the body into ketosis...realistically this is how the Atkins diet works: its as close to keeping the body in ketosis-mode by still eating food.

And by corollary from above: Most people worry about preparing for the Fast. But the more important thing to gain from a fast is how you end it, and what changes you stick to.

And yes it is advisable to have time off of {physical} work for an extended fast.

I am not saying one should do it, & I don't know how often I will again, but I have done several 5-8 Water Fasts {for reasons I shant go into} - Interestingly its amazing how clean the house gets when you don't have to spend time preparing/cooking/eating & cleaning up after meals..and the smell of fresh baked Cinnamon Rolls from 8 blocks away in a good{bad} wind...




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We fast together as a group at church, some of us are called personally to fast. Group fasts everyone is usually asked to give up pleasurable foods ( desserts, breads, candy, soda etc.)  I have heard that a juice fast is better than water, however I have found when fasting, I have incredible energy. I really feel the need to detox with a fast, and seriously re-evaluate how much I eat and when. It just seems like too much food and I can go for long periods without eating. Also for me it takes a lot of stress off of the "what to eat" category. So I think I am going to set a time, do a juice fast see what happens and how I feel, though I seem to do better with water only.
Thanks for all the replies, excellent information.

Here is the scripture we share with those who are new to fasting and for spiritual reasons. I just re read it again and did not realize how many times the word hungry was in there.

http://www.blueletterbible.org.....amp;version=NKJV#top
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I really feel the need to detox with a fast, and seriously re-evaluate how much I eat and when.



The best way to evaluate such a thing as ones eating is to keep eating and keep a journal.  How can you evaluate when you are not eating and eating, and seeing your patterns play out with cravings, times you don't want to eat, ect., if you are not eating?  

Just a question... to contemplate.  
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And the Lord shall give you strength to make good food choices ?


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And the Lord shall give you strength to make good food choices ?




Eze 4:9 "Also take for yourself wheat, barley, beans, lentils, millet, and spelt; put them into one vessel, and make bread of them for yourself.

I'd say yes...here is the description of the highly beneficial bread for all blood types.

Who knew?
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Eze 4:9 "Also take for yourself wheat, barley, beans, lentils, millet, and spelt; put them into one vessel, and make bread of them for yourself.

I'd say yes...here is the description of the highly beneficial bread for all blood types.

Who knew?


Maybe back then before we knew about blood types and lectins, and geno types.  I know corn for the Indians was and is eventual death.

wheat for me and lentils and spelt means a full night of pain.  

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Funky,

It is so funny you talk about corn and Indians, much of my ancestory is native american. My grandmother was born on a reservation. Corn and I go way back, but here is the corn thing I love. Whiskey! I do not drink often, but when if I do, that is what I have. I always used to keep a little flask around the house called medicinal whiskey, if I felt a cold coming on, I would make tea, honey, lemon and whiskey, sip it, go to bed, get up in the morning and feel great.

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Funky,

It is so funny you talk about corn and Indians, much of my ancestory is native american. My grandmother was born on a reservation. Corn and I go way back, but here is the corn thing I love. Whiskey! I do not drink often, but when if I do, that is what I have. I always used to keep a little flask around the house called medicinal whiskey, if I felt a cold coming on, I would make tea, honey, lemon and whiskey, sip it, go to bed, get up in the morning and feel great.

Dawn


I think in Dr. D's research, somewhere I read where the bones of Indians began to deteriorate rapidly after the introduction of corn way back when.  I don't remember if it was in one of his books or a blog or  

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Excellent!  Thanks Lola!!!
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Funky,

Strange to think of when corn was introduced, because it was here in N. American before the Colonists came, no one in Europe had seen corn before then. Corn is really a N. American food, you never really see it Europe much.

Corn kills *L*

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It's really sad.  I LOVE corn.  As a Hunter, I actually can have it occasionally as it's a Black Dot.  But it's also a binge food for me.. Tacos...the hard shelled ones... man I can't quit at two... I can eat 6 to 10 of those things - (don't freak out, remember I'm a recovering over-eater  ); corn chips, corn tortilla's, even soft corn tortilla's I'm off and running.

Corn bread.. ah man... I loose my  mind.

So I can't keep it in the house... but if I'm out and it's a choice between wheat and corn, I'll go with the corn every so often.
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They say that the wheat of long ago was not like the wheat of today. That Ezekiel Bread has sprouted grains. I haven't eaten any since the start of the GT, but I may try it again. The problem is that I'll eat the whole loaf in a few days!
I just checked. Sprouted wheat is a dot, so I may wait again!!
Corn usually disagreed with me. I wish folks would realize how bad it is.  I don't know how Natives got hooked up in eating so much corn.  I'm sure there were other grains available, but it must have been more convenient.  
Anyway, I hope everyone's efforts in fasting bear much fruit, but not the edible kind!!

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I am just avoiding wheat and corn. I do not want to even try Ezekiel Bread because I can see that turning into a binge. And it is $5 a loaf here, so that is not in the food budget.

I will consider a fast soon....started period and have had extreme fatigue. I eat and it just seems like my food sits in my stomach for hours.
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ezekial bread is delicious - I tried it once but it gave me diarrhea cos I have celiacs disease.
Shamrock I would love to do a fast with you and even a spiritual one is better.
I would love the support and to do it with someone who knows what they are doing.
I am in a real cleansing mode at the moment.
I want to be all over completely healthy except I seem to talk or want it more than I 'do'.
I would be more than happy to do a juice fast.
I am thinking of getting a juicer after reading some of ribbits posts.


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Hello, People!  

My first post.  I fast one day a week "for spiritual reasons."  But my fast allows two things:  coffee (gasp!) and anything alcoholic.  I've been doing this for years and years.  "it's amazing how alcohol can affect you when you are otherwise fasting."  

Just wanted to see if my "shield" works!  

I'm still learning the blood type diet;  we have me (O+), plus one B+, plus one A+ in our household.  So I'm looking at rice and millet and cannelini beans (all stuff we all can eat) ... for me, I'm just trying to quit wheat and wheat products first.  

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Jenn, an unusual fast, but interesting....
just quit wheat and you will begin to reap benefits....

I wish I knew what "L" was in Shamrock's post about corn (reply 38 in this thread)
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She explained the L in another thread is "laugh".
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Hello, People!  

My first post.  I fast one day a week "for spiritual reasons."  But my fast allows two things:  coffee (gasp!) and anything alcoholic.  I've been doing this for years and years.  "it's amazing how alcohol can affect you when you are otherwise fasting."  


Well.. that must make for an interesting day and a pretty bad next morning!     


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!  

Actually I don't drink nearly enough alcohol to feel anything the next morning.  !  But I can enjoy the comment!


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Okay... everyone has their thing on fasting and I have a little trick I like to use, that I think not only makes it healthier but also way easier to fast.  

I read in a book once (unfortunately I don't know which one) that our world is much to filled with toxins for us to be able to fast cold turkey, comfortably.  In ancient civilizations it is said that fasting was a regular thing.  Not sure if all that is true but what I do know is that the book recommended that you ease into a fast or prepare for it if you will.  

So I figured, fasting... why not?  I am always hungry anyway.  I guess I could save a buck or two. J/k

Preparing for a fast is simply like how you should exercise... with warm up and cool down periods before and after.  Say you want to fast for three days.  Okay then you should warm up for three days and cool down for three days.  It is harsh on your body to not eat any solid food for three days and then hunk down three squares, especially meat and nuts for us O's.  

What I do is I go raw with no meat or processed foods the first day.  Then I cut out the seeds and nuts the second day.  Then I only eat raw veggies the third.  All along drinking herbal teas and veggie juices, but no caffeine, no alcohol and as low sugar as possible.  And try to eat low sugar plants.  Remember, no matter the reason you are fasting your body will detox, so let it.  

Then I go into the fast and it is a breeze compared to just jumping in.  My body has slowly been dumping toxins the whole time so I am not as in shock when the fast starts.  I actually feel euphoric, happy, calm, and grounded.  I never felt like that before when I tried to fast.  Instead I would feel sick, tired and have a headache.  The first day is still tough and you are still hungary but not as tough nor are you as hungary as you are if you just jump in to a fast.  

Then I do the opposite on the way out of the fast.  First raw veggies, then raw veggies and fruits, then pretty much any allowable raw foods no meat or processed, then I can move into my diet again slowly.  Like... don't eat a half pound of beef jerky the first morning.  Eat an egg for breakfast, some fish for lunch, chix for dinner maybe save the steak for day two.

Also your body will run on less food.  You kinda, just gotta tune up, so don't over eat.  Listen to your body.  If it says your full, then your full.  Try to eat slowly, savor each bite, so you can hear it tell you.  You'll undo all that wonderful work you just did healthwise.

You can do the same with a one day.  One day warm-up veggies only, if you can, or fruits and veggies is okay.  and one day cool down same as warm up.  In the book they say you do a Five day the same just space out your warm up and cool down how you see fit.  I don't know if this would be a good fast for longer than that.  I've actually only done the three day.  I really enjoyed it but I am not a health expert.  And always talk to your doctor to see if you are healthy enough to fast for even one day.

With this method you can fast and not worry about work cuz you are eating while you are there and then fasting on your weekend.  I went to a conference, walked in the garden, talked to people, even was in a dance contest (a very short one) and did normal daily stuff.  I felt a little weaker and a little slower but not much.  I wouldn't suggest heavy dangerous construction or operate on a patient or anything like that but I could do light work and was functional.  Which I wasn't when I cold turkey fasted.

I have also found with this method that I am not as temped to gorge after the fast cuz I have a planned cool down and I buy food accordingly.  Also I can more easily know what foods are bad for me cuz I am more sensitive to them.

Anyway, if you fast or want to try, you should give this method a shot cuz I really enjoyed it and that from a guy who used to mock fasting.

Notice:  My personal beliefs follow
FYI: Why I Fast, just in case you wondered...
My fasts are spiritual and for discipline.  Just thought I would throw that in, in case you wondered.  Not to sound spiritual or well disciplined but instead because I am lacking in those areas.  I am a Christian, so I use this time to pray to the Lord and I try to meditate on the Bible.  Not that I am even good at that, but He likes the attention   And you don't have to fast to be spiritual or disciplined.  This is just one way I do it.  There are people who are far more of both than I and I have only fasted a couple times anyway.
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