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kateland
Tuesday, October 9, 2007, 10:53am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I am a blood type A and waiting for my secretor test. I'm ready to embrace this 100%. It's funny how knowledge can be dangerous; when I first stopped eating red meat, I could never eat it again without a vicious reaction I never noticed before. And now when I eat milk products, not only do I bloat but I get major heartburn. It's like my body is waking up. It kinda gave up telling me it hated the food I ate because I would eat to shut it up

My question is this. I still have food issues, where I will still splurge and eat pizza, and am left feeling so ridiculously horrible like I am at the moment, that I am starting to entertain the idea of fasting. I have the gastric band, and lost 100lbs, but am still in need of dropping another 40 - 50 for regular weight. I'm struggling with balance. BTD has come a long way in helping, I am starting to truly enjoy strange foods and fruits I've never heard of before (thank you Whole Foods).

Ironically, most people on the gastric band turn vegetarian anyway due to intolerance of meat consistency, so this BTD came at a perfect time. It's like all universal signs are pointing to BTD.

I want to fast for physical, spiritual and mental health. Can anyone recommend some good books? I am looking at a juice fast for at least 7 days to start, with perhaps some colon cleansers. I just don't want to negatively traumatize my body. It's been through enough How do I get protein? Should I use my rice powder? Not sure what is best for me given my situation.
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I just don't want to negatively traumatize my body.


my recommendation to you is to follow your foodlists as best you can.
that will balance your body positively, and works as detox as well as anti inflammatory.
compliance and following the guidelines will bring you to the place you wish to be, which is one of harmony.


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I am with Lola,

I have done three fasts and I always ended overeating a few days after ending. One is so hungry.

An A blogger wrote this a few days after ending his:

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/m/archives/00000076.htm

I do not think a fast balances a body. It may clean it, but if one is not an expert in food control... one does not achieve it with a fast. The exception may make the rule but, do you want to run the risk?


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Hi Kateland, and welcome!

Getting on the proper diet, rather than fasting, is a better approach in my opinion. Fasting will get some fast short term results at the possible expense of long term health. I would prefer to take the BTD diet route, which gets you where you are going just as fast (or faster) in the long run with better health.

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I don't recommend fasting, at least not more than a day.

Based on what I have read I believe it can weaken your intestinal lining/mucosa such that you can end up with a lot more health problems afterwards.

Also realize that your body needs the nutrients in food to perform all of its daily tasks. If you don't eat enough protein your body will have to steal protein from your muscle. So after a fast you also end up with a lot less muscle.

Protein is required to drive the bodies detoxification processes. If you don't eat protein, then the toxins your body releases from your fat stores, that it is burning for energy, float around and have the opportunity do more damage, since they are being detoxified properly.

Again, I don't recommend fasting.


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I have done one 5-day fast and two 3-day fasts quite a while ago and found it very difficult. I did it for health reasons, not for loosing weight. If I would fast again I would do it for 1 day only and during this day I would drink home-made vegetable juices.
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Hi Kateland-

I enjoy fasting now and then but it's rather tricky.  I normally do the Master Cleanse for 4-5 days but I've noticed sometimes it's very easy and sometimes I struggle with hunger.  When I struggle that tells me it's not a good time (for whatever reasons) to fast and I stop.

If you have never fasted before I would just try a one day juice fast to start with.  Going full-boat on a first time fast can be rather challenging on both your mind and your body.

I have absolutely no knowledge about gastric bands so I won't even touch that subject and how it would relate to fasting.

You will find though the BTD will balance and detox you.  I had fasted on numerous occasions before I began the BTD and I honestly think I detox more with the BTD than with fasting.

Glad to have a fellow A on-board!



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Thanks for the responses!

I was thinking of a 2 or 3 day juice fast, homemade veggie juice. My reasons for fasting are somewhat spiritual, but moreso that I keep eating non-BTD foods and I just feel - well - tired of having that stuff in my system. I was thinking a pure juice fast would help refocus me.

The gastric band is nothing more than a belt around my stomach organ, so hunger is seriously diminished. In fact, I'm hardly hungry unless there's been sugar in my diet, and even then it's never as bad as it used to be. When I drink a warm liquid the hunger goes away. It's the habit of eating I'd like to master I lost 100 lbs just from being on the band, but the last 50 have to be more my self-mastery than the tool I have. I'm pretty fortunate, so I want to use this advantage to the best of my ability.

I'm not interested in fasting as an anorexic (water only) but fasting with liquids - fasting from solid foods for a couple of days. I've read some stuff online and maybe I'll start with one day.

I really do love this BTD. I managed to stay on it for 5 whole days and I felt amazing.

Thanks again for your candid responses!!
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kateland, wishing you a warm welcome to BTD and the forums!!  
Take heart, things will get easier. It's hard to give up certain things, but one thing I can promise you............once you give BTD a good try, close to 100% compliancy, you'll feel as bad or worse than you do now, if you eat certain avoids. It's your body's way of telling you not to eat that stuff, but then you already know that. I know it's tough to make your MIND over that you're not going to eat it, even tho you know better. Just hang tough, it'll come to ya.    You also have a ton of support here. There is ALWAYS   someone here to give you a hand back up.  



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Dr D, I got notice in my email that you posted a comment to this thread at 11:20 am today, yet I dont see it. If you actually did, would you please re-post it. I'm really curious what you had to say. Thanks!!  



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he was getting the forum fixed, then......that might have been the reason, no worries, all is fine again.


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I don't recommend fasting for more than a day either unless it is really spiritual reasons like Jesus or other saints.

It sounds like you have more ideas to sort out at this time so you might do well to talk with a very spiritual person who does fast and see if your intentions line up with the correct intentions.

You are suppose to go into it without wanting anything specific from it.  It's suppose to be a way to disconnect from the things of this world and get in touch with that inner space inside you.

My experience of fasting was a forced fast because my colon could not tolerate anymore food and the doctors were doing lots of tests on me.  It was at least 6 days and more than once. I was allowed clear liquids.  

This wasn't the first one but I was able to tap into a deeper source of self, have my "cat stevens moment" and came out on the other end finding the BTD.  

I had prayed and made a commitment to my soul that I would be compliant and inconvenienced if only I could see what I needed to do.  I knew the doctors would not be able to help me and that it was up to me.  

I have not strayed from the BTD since. Although I am not 100% compliant, I do the best that I can.  

Before all of that I had struggled with body image and finally gave that up too.  It takes up too much energy.  I also finally got to that place where I knew it was not about the food it was deeper.

You may be at that place where you know it is not about the food. The pizza in the break room or apples on the tree couldn't care less about you.  

It sounds like you are at that point.  The answer is deeper inside you so you will have to find out the safest way to get there to find it.  (It does have to do with self mastery & discipline)

I don't have any recommended reading because the ones that I know of are pretty extreme.  If you go to the library look for fasting in relation to spirituality not detoxing/health reasons only.  

since we know about the BTD much of the advice is not specific enough for us.  It is usually one size fits all.  
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As an O hunter, I swear I could go without food for two days straight and never lose my energy. In fact, I actually feel most alert when I am hungry. I'm sure Dr D would say that is the feast or famine gene.

I think intelligent fasting can be very useful. The body has a difficult time allotting energy resources to "internal cleansing" and eating and digesting takes about the most energy of anything your body does. So if there is food to digest, it will shunt your energy to that purpose at the expense of other necessary functions. But giving it a break from digestion, you allow built up toxins and dead cellular material to be released and flushed.

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Jennihul, your comment hit home with me.  I dont know yet if Im a hunter but have always been able to go for long periods of time without eating.  Over the years I have had to tell people close to me that if they are hungry they need to speak up because if they wait for me to think of it forget it.  I recently ran across a book/program called Eat, Stop, Eat by Brad Pilon and was so intrigued I bought it and have been following it ever since.  It is really 1 or 2, 24 hour fasts in a 7 day period.  What intrigued me most was his research and data on ancient man's probable eating habits.  Reminded me of someone else we all know The fact that they had to hunt or search for food probably meant short periods of fasting.  And his research showing that short periods of fasting can be beneficial to your system and actually do not affect energy or performance.  


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Hi:

Before I became vegan, I did a fasting of 5 days. I just only had water and herb tea. There are some things to bear in mind:

1.In the 2nd or 3rd day, for sure, you'll feel what it's called "the intestine fire". A phenomenon that occurs because the guts get rid of many toxins and them all mix together.

2.You'll also feel a weakness sensation. Your tongue will go white, and you'll have a slight headache. That's because your cells will cleanse themselves, throwing to blood whatever they don't need. That provokes an effect known as "toxemia" (a kind of an autopoisoning).

3.Don't know why, but every information source I consulted recommended the same: to do fastings of 1, 3, 5, 7, 9... days, ie, uneven days.

After 5 days of fasting (and meditating), I lost 5 kilos, my guts where completely empty, and my abdomen was straight. It was a very strong experience that changed my life.

Greetings.
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are you thinking of changing your vegetarian ways?

you haven t told us what your health issues now are>
what brought you to look into this forum and lifestyle?

how are your cholesterol levels and such?

welcome!


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Andonitxo, welcome!  My husband just gave me a brief history of the Basque people.  Fascinating!


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The Basque people have the most ancestral phylogeny in Europe for the subhaplogroup U8a in the Upper Palaeolithic era. Most probable, their primitive founders came from West Asia.

It has been demonstrated that Basques show the oldest lineages in Europe for subhaplogroup U8a. Coalescence times for these lineages suggest their presence in the Basque country since the Upper Paleolithic. The European U8 phylogeography is congruent with the supposition that Basques could have participated in demographic re-expansions to repopulate central Europe in the last interglacial periods.

The Basque population also has the highest prevalence of blood group O and Rh negative in Europe


http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Haplogroup_U_(mtDNA)
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http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Haplogroup_U_%28mtDNA%29/Blood_Groups_and_Anthropology


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I tried a number of fasts in the past to clear up digestive problems. I ultimately found an 18 hour, water only fast to be best. In essence it just means eating nothing after 6PM and skipping breakfast. Not a big sacrifice, but its long enough to feel cleansed. I also found that when breaking a fast like this, your body will react more dramatically to the foods that you may want to avoid. It helped me realize I was having trouble with wheat.

More importantly, this is something to try at times when you are already feeling bad, and not when you really need the energy for activity.


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are you thinking of changing your vegetarian ways?

you haven t told us what your health issues now are>
what brought you to look into this forum and lifestyle?

how are your cholesterol levels and such?

welcome!


Sorry for the delay, this forum is not really practical to look for your threads.

I have a quite clear vegan diet, with raw food (mostly sprouted seeds), seaweeds, fresh vegetables and fruits, soy derived products, and so. But it's true some vegetables have a bad effect in my body. I feel it really clearly thanks to my stomach, and my bowel's fermentations.

I have a very good health. I do a blood check every year and all the levels are stable, in the margins stated as healthy. I have enough energy to work (I'm a teacher in the secondary school), to go to the gym and to have a normal life.

Anyway I don't know if there's something wrong. I'm loosing lots of hair, so I don't know if that's a genetic problem or a lack in the diet.

I must say that the best diet I've ever checked is that known as the dissociated diet. No carbs with prots, fruits apart, and acid things apart too. It functions really well to deflate the guts, to loose the stacked water and to feel better. I do it applied to my vegan diet (which it's really easy), and I'd like to step forward with the blood diet, because I think it's really of common sense what Dadamo found out.

It's a shame not to be able to eat bread. I love it, but its effect in my body is soooo bad that I prefer to avoid it completely.

Well, I'll tell you on about my experience.

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Andonitxo, welcome!  My husband just gave me a brief history of the Basque people.  Fascinating!


Yes, our culture, history, language and art are very interesting. We have some political problems to solve, but this is a very beautiful place to live (my town: http://www.mundaka.org).

Anyway, I'm O+, O is a very common blood type here. My mother came from the South of Spain, and I think my sister and I have some arab blood too (you know, arabs invaded the south of spain centuries ago and people mixed together).

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I'd like to step forward with the blood diet, because I think it's really of common sense what Dadamo found out.

have you been adding some meat protein into your diet?

with my O non secretor physiology, I d be bald if I didn t have my recommended protein.......have you considered adding fish for starts?


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have you been adding some meat protein into your diet?

with my O non secretor physiology, I d be bald if I didn t have my recommended protein.......have you considered adding fish for starts?


No, not at all. I decided to give up all animal protein in my diet (spiritual reasons). Anyway, I lost hair even when I was omnivore, so there's no relationship in my case.

By the way, my body hair grow strong, ha, ha. It's like if my head hair would move downward when I'm asleep. From my head to my back     Ironies of nature.
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Ironies of nature or your arab genetics......

read these links when you have time
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=82808
coleus forskolin raises levels of cyclic-AMP which enhances intracellular energy production,....
have you heard of this herb?
vegetarian O
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http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-storybd/m-1169530318/
report


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