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kevinmcl
Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 4:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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A concept that appears frequently in the website and in forums is that of visualization, and meditation.

It occurs to me to wonder: are these thought to be equally applicable to all blood types?

Certainly, they just can't be equally applicable to all personality types, but I wonder if anyone's ever given thought to a phenotype connection.

For example, over the years, I've given a few good tries at "meditation". The closest I've ever approached has been what you might call meditation in motion. I had a bit of it in the year-and-a-bit that I was learning Tai-chi (many moons ago), but then I moved to another city and couldn't find an instructor, so I let it slip away.   During the few times in my life that I had sufficient stamina to be able to run steadily for a few miles, I occasionally got into a state of "flow" and found it amazing both for the physical feeling and for the uncluttering of the mind.

But.....   sit me down in a half-lotus and tell me to meditate, and it ain't gonna happen. I spend the whole designated period trying to get my mind to stop wandering.  "Don't think of elephants. Whatever you do, do NOT think of elephants!"

Similarly, I've had many people, over the years, exhort me to "visualize" what I was about to do, or needed to do, such as before some physical or athletic exertion.  Or, to "visualize" what success in my job or my life should mean, thereby making it more real (and thus more attainable?) to me.
Didn't work, and lord knows I've tried.

I'm beginning to think that some of us are just not cut out for those sorts of things.
I'm told that some people can literally "visualize" a thing happening, as though it were a crystal-clear full-color movie, playing out behind their eyelids.
That doesn't happen for me.
When I attempt to visualize a thing that I'm about to do - an example a few years ago would have been a skydiving sequence of position and grip changes, in concert with a group of other freefallers - what I see is a disjointed series of snapshots.  There's no smooth flow of images in concert with the relevant kinaesthetic impressions. Again, lord knows I've tried. I really, really wanted to be able to see a smooth (possibly with slow-motion) movie of what I should do, where everybody else should be, how each position and transition should feel. Never happened, despite years of trying. The best I could get was a sequence of snapshots of milestones, and even those snapshots were soft-focus and tattered.

Maybe I'm an anomaly.

Or maybe there are certain types of people to whom this comes naturally, and they only think they're being helpful when they exhort everybody equally to do what they do. If the latter were the case, then it would be nice to know if the ability to visualize in smooth, connected movies is a trait that can be associated with an identifiable group. Given the focus of the BTD on blood types, I thought I'd bring up that notion for discussion.

Anybody got anything to contribute?

Agree? Disagree? Wonder what the question is?

(Visualized) Cheers,

Kevin  (too fat to skydive these days)

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Bs are best suited for visualization techniques.....
but I am sure others can work on these ....
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/k/archives/00000041.htm


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did you ever went for the Keirsey's test or the enneagramtest......
I think mostly the NF's & NT's are toughy in that behalf, mostly for the others...means SJ's & SP's this form of training isn't *real* enough!!!
Nothing to take into their hands which is valuable ....

I am an INTP...a picture...visionaire....I am thinking also in pics.....as I can't think linear
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Hey Kevin,

For what it's worth, my husband (an O) couldn't meditate to save his life. He finds it absolutely impossible to turn his mind off. But he can "go to another level" when he's running.

I'm an A and I have absolutely no problem clearing my mind (no jokes, please). I believe you have a point!


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Quoted from lola
Bs are best suited for visualization techniques.....
but I am sure others can work on these ....
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/k/archives/00000041.htm


Sorry.  If that was the link that you intended (Cheryl's blog entry from 2004), it wasn't about visualization.

I can write about things I've done, things I'm going to do, things that other people have done, purely fictional things that purely fictional people might do, if they existed.... and I can do that (the descriptive, evocative writing) better than most people.  But when I write up a grocery list to take with me to the store, I'm not creating a wealth of imagery that's preparing me for the immersive experience of grocery shopping - I'm creating a point-form set of reminders, to jog my memory when I get there.

That's basically what I saw on Cheryl's blog; a somewhat wordy list of foods, framed as a rough schedule. To me, there was no hint of visualization inherent in it, and it didn't trigger any, except for a few brief flashes of somebody looking vaguely like Cheryl's picture, frozen in the act of nibbling some food item, or looking up at a staffer in a generic vegetarian restaurant.

That's my brain NOT on drugs.... flit... flit... flit....   disjointed little images, that might or might not be on topic, and wherein only the very center-most portion of the image is even vaguely in focus (it might be a face, a gesture, the edge of a desk that's digging into someone's thigh, while I _should_ have been thinking about what they were saying or doing or pointing at....)

What I'm saying is that, if you thought reading that blog entry was an exercise in visualization, then you and I have vastly differing comprehension of the thing we both call visualization.

I'm betting that others have a reaction either like yours, or like mine, or like some third or fourth evocation, and that we're likely talking past each other while imagining that the other person means what we mean.

So, I wanted to get a little discussion started on what the various types think is meant by "visualization" and by "meditation", and to see if there are identifiable, perhaps even quantifiable, differences.

It might be as simple as choosing some different words, whereby whole other groups would suddenly start nodding and saying... OH, THAT's what you mean.

Supposedly, it's a powerful technique... if you recognize what is meant and how to begin attempting it. That should make it worth getting the kinks and (possibly) bogus assumptions out of how we discuss it.

Regards,

Kevin
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hmmm, I have heard that B's visualize and all, but I meditate, visualize, am an artist, write poetry......(am an O)....?
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I can meditate fairly well, but don't find much benefit to it, compared to what exercise does for me.

I have had some success with visualization, however.  I find words to be very powerful, as in affirmations.  Somebody on the forum turned me onto Tut's Adventurer's Club, and one of the goals/visualizations I had was something that I the time I had no idea how it could come about, but it has.  One of the goals you set has to be something monetary or tangible, so I picked an ultimate updated kitchen.  At the time, we didn't know where our next bit of income would come from, and expected that it would be small when it did come, the kitchen wasn't high on my husband's list of priorities for house updates either; but coincidences collided in such a way that it has unfolded afterall.  I'm just waiting for the tiles to arrive for the backsplash, and the electrician to do the updated lighting, and it will be finished.  New floor, countertop, stove, beadboard around the formerly ugly island, etc. etc.  I didn't opt for new cupboards, mine aren't trendy but they're good quality and trends will change...I don't want to chase trends when they change so fast, so I worked with what I had and made it work out really well.

The less tangible goal I set has some work involved on my part, maybe I should visualize it a bit more too.  That goal is for perfect health.  Perfect is a tough word, why did I word it that way?  That means that even my calloused feet will be included in the package.  Don't sweat the details or the "how's" though, it will happen.  First I need to perfect my diet, and exercise, then it will come together.  That will take plenty of visualization right there.  Life is complicated, but it's nice when some things can make it simpler.


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I have trouble meditating and am thinking of going to a class to see if that would help. I see meditation as being able to clear the mind from thinking about anything apart from, maybe, a single sound, a repeated word, or rather simply focussing on that sound or a colour, say, for a specified period of wakeful time.

I know its not an A thing but I run a little (I do find it has meditative qualities), I run with my dog and don't even push myself now I know about the A type not benefitting from that kind of exercise, I don't take part in races (too many people and too much competitiveness!!). It's cheap aerobic exercise.

I think in pictures and words, and can get a good visualisation going. A visualisation to me has a moving picture experience quality, often with sound and temperature, I am definitely in it (not like watching a panoramic film, more the handheld camcorder version) and can feel sensations in my chest - like joy, apprehension, maybe fear etc depending on the visualisation.

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Maybe that will help you visualize your perfect week. Bs dont have a monopoly on visualization its just more natural for them.


I liked her last sentence......that s why I posted the link.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!

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There must be a zillion different ways to interpret the terms meditation and visualization, thank goodness!    Dr. D says that B's are especially successful at affecting our health through visualization, but he does not say that others cannot do it.  Maybe the key is to find the approach that feels like your own technique.

I can sit and meditate, but I don't do it that way anymore.  I like to incorporate it into my daily life.  For example, I find that whatever I focus on tends to get stronger.  If I constantly think about conflict, my life starts feeling like one continuous conflict.  If I focus on gratitude, I begin to be aware of all the many things that are going wonderfully in my life, etc.  



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
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