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Peppermint Twist
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Look again, quinoa is in the sample report as a neutral.

 *cringing in embarrassment*

So it is.  I'm on two hours of sleep today (which I'm fixin' ta post a related topic about at some point), so pardon my lack of functional brain activity.

Neutral she is, for John Doe, anyway.  A grain being neutral for an O nonnie is about as good as it gets *lol*.  Quinoa is a star.

...I want to read that sample report again.  Obviously I missed a lot the first time around!



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Thank you, Lola. for Dr. D's llist of practioners.

Yes, debra+, I find that there are practioners
way out West now that I take a look.

I called a few. The one Master is out of town until next week.
Maybe start with a Master?
That's the thing...I would like a personal recommendation
for a practioner.

Anybody have one?

Cordially, Margaret


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I would wait till next week and give him a call.


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Thanks, Lola.

Will do.

Cordially,
Margaret


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I have been checking for the 2007 IfHI audio CD set to show up on the NAP website on a regular basis.
I finally emailed NAP yesterday and asked when it would be available. They replied and said "It is available and you can order it."

It is not listed in the online catalog, so until it shows up I assume you would have to call in your order.


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One of the required SWAMI inputs is Client Ethnicity, with the following choices:

Northern European
Central European
Southern European
Eurasian
North Central Asian
South East Asian
Middle Eastern
North African
African
Native American
Hispanic

I added what I believe is my ethnicity in the Member Center to my Personal Message that shows up under my blood type avatar.


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Quoted from ironwood55
I have been checking for the 2007 IfHI audio CD set to show up on the NAP website on a regular basis.
I finally emailed NAP yesterday and asked when it would be available. They replied and said "It is available and you can order it."

It is not listed in the online catalog, so until it shows up I assume you would have to call in your order.

When I pointed out that the 2007 IfHI conference audio CD set was not in the online catalog NAP replied "Thanks for pointing it out Don, it will be added." so hopefully soon we will be able to easily order it using the NAP website.


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One of the optional data entry points for SWAMI in the Laboratory Data section is the results from the NAP OxyStress test.  So I wrote NAP about about if taking the OxyStress test once was sufficient or if multiple tests over a period of hours, days, or weeks was preferable to get the best assessment of free radical activity?
Quoted from NAP's reply
Yes – retesting in 4 – 6 weeks would be optimal.  Instructions come with OxyStress.  Best results from first morning urine.


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Quoted from ironwood55
One of the optional data entry points for SWAMI in the Laboratory Data section is the results from the NAP OxyStress test.  So I wrote NAP about about if taking the OxyStress test once was sufficient or if multiple tests over a period of hours, days, or weeks was preferable to get the best assessment of free radical activity



I did not notice in the literature on this, does the package provide for multi-use
testing or do mulitple tests need to be ordered?

Never mind - I see it is single use.

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Yes, since it is a web based application it doesn't matter where the user is in the world and it assures everyone is getting access to the latest version of SWAMI.


Thanks Don- -I´m getting more and more interested another thing to save to


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have to go for that new SWAMI- thingy as well.....if not I am going LOST.......
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Hello Everyone,

After reading the sample of the SWAMI Dr. D. made available
to us, it appears that the refinements might be very minor.

Being an 0 non-secretor (but Rh-) I didn't see much difference
in the recommended foods. No radical changes.

I am wondering if it is worth the costs of the tests and
program.

Any thoughts out there?
Thank you.

Cordially,
Margaret



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I don't think you should expect SWAMI to turn your diet upside down, at least not yet. I don't know what the results will be like when it includes the GTD. The most important aspects of of the BTD are still ABO and secretor type. Therefore, the changes in your diet resulting from SWAMI might be very minor. It will depend on what your SWAMI inputs are and what you consider very minor to mean. As I previously quoted from the SWAMI User Guide:
Quoted from SWAMI User Guide
SWAMI essentially creates a printable version of one of my commercial diets (such as the Live Right For Your Type diet) that is much more person-specific.

I think SWAMI will make it easier for someone to know by getting a specific printout what is recommended for them as an individual instead of having to interpret the various modifiers in LR4YT like non-secretor, Rh-, A2, MM let alone all the things that are not factored into the LR4YT recommendations.

For example for SWAMI produced the following type of changes for me:
  • Slightly bigger and fewer meat servings
  • Slightly bigger and fewer fish servings and a new super beneficial and some new beneficials
  • Slightly fewer dairy servings
  • Slightly more egg servings
  • Slightly fewer oil servings
  • Slightly bigger nut servings
  • Slightly bigger and more grain servings
  • Several new super beneficial and beneficial vegetables
  • Slightly fewer fruit servings and a couple of new super beneficials
  • A couple of new beneficial beverages
  • A couple of new beneficial herb, spices, and condiments
  • There are also some additional foods that are rated.
As a bonus there is a cutout small condensed shopping list on the last page. It is similar to the NAP wallet cards in that it only lists beneficial and avoid foods.


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Hi Margaret,

SWAMI can vary from rather insignificant changes to rather big changes. A lot of it depends on the amount of data that you enter. I did notice that I did not include the D42 measurements in the sample printout (in addition to not including a lot of other factors as well)

As Don said, SWAMI GenoType will be another milestone along the way. It will have the GenoType data and will be a complete rewrite, from top to bottom.


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In my case among other slight changes the most significant addition has been rye coming up as super beneficial with a super beneficial type O lectin. I never expected a super bene showing up for an O. Interesting enough, even before SWAMI I always had a taste for rye versus other neutral grains like kamut, spelt, rice.. Green olives that I loved are now beneficial too.

The other major difference is the increase in beneficial fish category. Anchovies, blue fish, salmon, tuna, lobsters etc all are upgraded for me.

All in all I'm quite happy that I took the SWAMI approach despite the loss of black pepper altogether

cheers,
Yaman


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I never expected a super bene showing up for an O.


in  terms of a grain, you mean, right?


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Oh yes, thanks for spotting that Lola'cim


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Only two of the foods you mentioned as becoming beneficial became beneficial for me.

That definitely shows that SWAMI can produce different results for two type O secretor males of similar age and build.


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I ll let you know how mine turns out as soon as I can be able to run my program!


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what about dairy, Don and Yaman?


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See my previous detailed post.


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Slightly fewer dairy servings....right

but of what type of dairy?
except ghee ofcourse........


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No change for me compared to LR4YT.


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Hello everyone,

Thank you, Dr. D., for your reply.
I think I might wait until your new book comes out
and do the tests.

Unless  doing the tests available now would be
those tests that are included with whatever additional
tests are required for the Geno-type diet...would that
be the case?

Thank you, MoDon, for encouraging me to keep
my expectations real.

Thank you for all your comments.

Cordially,
Margaret


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