As I was reading LR4YT this morning it said on pg 62 " If you try yo lose weight by restricitng calories, you'll lose muscle tissue, even when you also exercise regularly.
I went on the AB Diet and GAINED 7 pounds in a week and a half! I stuck to my race suggestion, and adhered to the diet to a T. 100% eating only beneficials.I also found out that I was getting sick to my stomach drinking Grapefruit juice straight. I also went into anaphylactic shock when I ate peanuts in a peanut butter plant where I volunteered. Peanut butter however does not bother me. When I started to drink the Morning drink, lemon water, I had a battle with excess mucus, something I never had a problem with before. Then after eating a whole Kiwi, peel and all, my tongue started to burn and swell up. (Should I have removed the peel first?) Then I had a slew of Labtests because I had been in an accident. It showed my thyroid was low, not underactive. It was point two three from being underactive.  After getting off the AB profile diet, and cutting back on the suggested ancestral amounts, but not eating too much of the "Avoid" foods, I started losing again. I lost from 232 back down to 226 in about 10 days. Could somebody please let me know what is going on. ALso, how many calories should I consume as to not be counted to restricting them? I am 52 post menopausal, big bone structure and weigh 226 and I am 5 foot 9 inches tall. Any help would be highly appreciated

cut back on carbs and concentrate on compliant protein and veggies.
kiwis should be eaten without the skin!!

the excess mucus drinking lemon water is a good sign of your body detoxing all the junk from the past.
find a way to get your secretor status and subtype checked, to fine tune your dietary choices.

It is not only what you eat and how much you eat, but also when you eat that effects weight loss/gain.

Also remember we are all individuals. For instance, if your metabolism is slow because of thyroid problems or past lectin consumption, then you will not be able to eat as much without gaining weight until those problems are corrected.

ahem...my poorest AL...I think here we are a bit similar..huh....menopsy's kiss is guaranted for both of us ....and I think thatswhy you took some more grams as well .....
the other thing is...yep Lola is right and I'd go for the secretor test as quick as possible....helped me tremendiously to change my diet.......would go for a larger kelpintake & aminoacids like l'tyrosine and
perhaps think even of the intake, after having spoken with your doc...... of DHEA...... that seems a real fatburner..... ..........and dear AL...we won't loose any grams on a higher animalprotein diet.......because
we get further sluggish and with lower bloodsugars than the O's ......so better some carbs. then no carbs @ all .......all the best for you .....

I tried to post in the Supplement and Prescription Forum but was unable to. But I have some problems dealing with missing herbs that I cannot find. That's why I put this in here and the Supp R4YT

I take several combinations from Nature's Sunshine Products. The TS-II formula has
Kelp leaves and stems
Irish Moss Plant
Parsley leaves
Hops flower
Capsicum fruit

The Thyroid Support has
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxal 5-phosphate)
Zinc
Copper
Manganese
L-Tyrosine
Kelp plant
Thyroid substance
Stinging nettle
Protease blend
Pituitary Substance
Hypothalmus substance

then I am taking Chickweed capsules for fat digestion and appetite suppressant

Twice a year during the changing of the seasons in Spring and Fall I take an Enviro Detox regimen, it has a lot of things in it ( I know Fenugreek is an Avoid, but would the other things in the blend balance it?)
Burdock
Dandelion
Fenugreek seed
Ginger Rhizome
Pepsin
Red Clover
Yellow Dock Root
Marshmallow Root Extract
Sarsparilla Root Extract
Lactospores
Cascara Sagrada Bark
Echinacea Root Extract
Milk Thistle Seed Concentrate

Then I take Chromium -GTF to keep my blood sugar level on an even keel since I tend to sometimes have a problem with keeping it up
Calcium (Di-calcium phosphate)
Phosphorus (Chromium amino acid chelate)
Horsetail
Red Clover
Yarrow

Plus I also take a Calcium Magnesium & Zinc from Sam's Club and
Mega - T Green Tea with Hoodia, which also contains
Eleuthero Root
Garcinia
Guarana
fo ti
Bladderwrack
Kelp
Gotu Kola

I also take Thyroid Energy by NOW it has this in it

Contents per serving (2 capsules):
Vitamin B-6 (from Pyrdoxine HCI) 2 mg
Folate (as Folic Acid) 400 mcg
Vitamin B-12 (as Methylcobalamin) 60 mcg
Iodine (from Kelp and Irish Moss) 225 mcg
Zinc (from L-Optizinc® - Zinc L-Methionine Complex) 25 mg
Selenium (from L-Selenomethionine) (Yeast-Free) 50 mcg
Copper (from Copper Amino Acid Chelate) 1 mg
L-Tyrosine (Free-Form) 1.0 g (1,000 mg)
Irish Moss (Chondius Crispus) (Thallus) 200 mg
Goggul (Commiphora Mukul) (Resinous Sap) 75 mg
[Standardized Extract (min. 10% Guggulsterones)]
Kelp (laminaria digitate) (Whole Plant) 60 mg
Ashwagandha (Witharia Sommifera) (Root) 50 mg
[Standardized Extract (min. 4.5% Withandides)]
Concentrace® Trace Minerals 5 mg

And a Nutritional Support for the Thyroid Gland called Thyodine

Each tablet of Thyodine contains the following:

Dulse 400 mg., Bladderwrack 15 mg., and Irish Moss 40 mg. (seaweeds which are rich in trace minerals and naturally occurring iodine)

L-Tyrosine 30 mg. (an amino acid which is required for the production of thyroid hormone)

Selenium (amino acid chelate; helps the body to convert T4 to T3) 50 mcg

Calcarea fluorica 6x and Lycopus virginicus 6x (homeopathic remedies for healthy thyroid function)

All in a base of freeze-dried multiple glandulars including thyroid (100 mg.), adrenal (50 mg.), pituitary (15 mg.), spleen (5 mg.), and thymus (5 mg.), and others.

Contains about 40 mcg. (micrograms) of iodine per tablet. Iodine is also required for the body to produce thyroid hormone.

Contains no sugar, starch, soy, yeast, corn, gluten or any other known allergens. Free of preservatives, artificial coloring or flavoring.

Other ingredients: plant cellulose, vegetable stearates, magnesium stearate, and natural silica.

and I also take 2-4 capsules of CortiSlim

Amount Per Serving:
Vitamin C: 100 mg 170%
(as calcium ascorbate)
Calcium: 150 mg 15%
(as calcium carbonate, calcium ascorbate)
Chromium: 50 mg 40%
(as chromium polynicotinate)

Cortiplex Proprietary Blend: 58.75 mg
(Magnolia Bark extract (Magnolia officinalis) 40% honokiol, Beta-Sitoserol, L-Theanine (Suntheanine))

Leptiplex Proprietary Blend: 125 mg
(Green Tea Leaf extract (Camellia sinensis) 40% EGCG, Asian Ginseng Root Extract (Panax ginsneg) 4% ginsenosides)

Insutrol Proprietary Blend: 16.5 mg
(Banaba Leaf extract (Lagerstroemia speciosa) 1% corosolic acid, Vanadyl Sulfate (providing 5 mcg vanadium))

Other ingredients:
Microcrystalline cellulose, gelatin, magnesium stearate, water, silicon dioxide.

Could somebody Look at this and tell me if these are ok to take?

all thaaat stuffs ...oupsss fine ..hmm there are some avoids I saw: fenugreekseed and
guarana,,,,do you support guarana well? hmmm what I found out : guarana makes ya fit...l'theanine makes you calm...might be 50:50 no effects
but all in all ....those are good combos & good stuffs

try the general search button for each of the herbs you are not sure of
here s my first try using the search word Irish moss and this is what I came up with
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?486

keep on doing your search, it is easy and you will certainly find loads of stuff mentioning each supplement.

then you can decide if it is right for your individuality.

What happens when polyamine and indican levels increase?

try the detoxing protocols and check the protocol index, for more ideas.

Quoted from ArwenLegolas

What happens when polyamine and indican levels increase?

LR4YT has a good section on polyamines.

You might also want to read the wiki page on Polyamines.

I always find people feel worse before they feel better on the diet (all the better food you're eating is  doing a "Control Alt Delete" on your system...you may have started off too fast and should have incorporated the changes a lot slower...try just taking the big  avoids out of your AB (chicken, red meat, corn, banana's, coffee, cows' milk) diet and incorporating a few beneficials from fish, vegetables and fruit categories and slowly incorprating more of the diet over time


Stinging nettle in the thyroid formula is an avoid for AB's by the way

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Dr D
-Those of us who are familiar with polyamines and their role in cancer
may already know that green tea polyphenols also block the enzyme
ornithine decarboxylase, which initiates the manufacture
of cancer feeding polyamines.

walnuts help to lower polyamines levels, as do
blue-toned fruits such as blueberries and
blackberries.