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Drea
Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 10:07pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Something Tom1964 posted about got me thinking: does my newly discovered NN status change the way I eat?

I did some searching on the old boards and here's what I came up with:

"NN: statistically uncommon (less than 10%), primarily affecting fat metabolism. While Live Right 4 Your Type did not offer dietary adjustments based upon NN status, we now know that NN folks benefit by strictly reducing fats, especially cholesterol-containing foods, in their diets. They appear to have less ability to digest and assimilate fats." - Heidi Merrit

and

"A secretors generally have a lower tolerance for fats, and the NN status can refine that recommendation further. ALSO, I meant to remind folks of an important aspect of following the diets: for secretors, A subtype (A2 for example) and MN type (MM, NN) will have an impact on your food choices as written in the lists." - Heidi Merrit

This might explain why I'm having such difficulty losing these pesky pounds...I guess I'm going to be buying low-fat yogurt for those times I eat it, and limit myself on the eggs. I was eating anywhere from 3-6 eggs per week.

Oops! Forgot to post my question: are there any other things I should be watching out for in my diet?


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So I'm doing a little bit more digging and found this:
(Note: corn is more problematic for the rarer A2 subtype and a subtype NN in the MN system) - from Ask Dr. D...


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Lola
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true, but also we have a plus, which is longevity!!

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Around 28 percent of the population type out as MM,
22 percent as NN, and 50 percent as MN. Most health problems
are associated with the two "purebred" types (NN and MM), not
with the mixed type (MN), a phenomenon known in genetics
as hybrid vigor.


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http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=86070

LR4YT says about the advantages of being heterozygous (MN),
the homozygous MM and NN types apparently tend to have less
hypertension (high blood pressure). Males with the MN phenotype
had significantly higher unadjusted systolic and diastolic blood
pressures than those who were homozygous MM or NN.

more on NN
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/subtype/subtype5.htm


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ISA-MANUELA
Thursday, June 21, 2007, 8:03am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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thanx Lola, for the reminder
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Quoted from lola
true, but also we have a plus, which is longevity!!


That's good, because I've always known I am going to live a long time.


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Sunny
Friday, June 29, 2007, 11:58pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I'm bummed...
I just got my bloodwork results and found out that I'm an A secretor and my MN type is "MM", also an A1.
I have searched everywhere on the site for info on diet recommendations for MM as I know it's not a good thing.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Sunny
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Don
Saturday, June 30, 2007, 12:22am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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LR4YT has the MM frequency and foods diet recommendation changes.


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Saturday, June 30, 2007, 12:29am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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You can read some NN info in this post: Dr. D NN info


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MoDon,
NN info doesn't help me since I'm MM and there's nothing on there about that except that it's bad.
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Don
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The NN info was for Drea who started the thread.


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Sunny, As a type A MM you might want to follow the stricter version of the BTD in the Cancer book, particularly if you have a family history of cancer.
Quoted from Dr. D's 2005 Polymorphisms presentation.
MM Subtype
  • Tendency to hypotension, cardiovascular disease.

  • Increased risk of cancer, stroke.

  • Does okay at redusing cholesterol on a low cholesterol, low fat diet.


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Sorry Don,
Since you didn't say who you were responding to on that post and you had mentioned the NN type before my entry, I thought you were addressing my query.
I won't bother anyone again.
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Sunny,
you can ask away anytime!!
you do not bother anyone as far as I m concerned!

we are all in this together, to help and share experiences.


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Quoted from Sunny
Sorry Don,
Since you didn't say who you were responding to on that post and you had mentioned the NN type before my entry, I thought you were addressing my query.
I won't bother anyone again.
Sunny


Please don't go, Sunny! And it's never a bother to answer a question, imo.


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Sunny, don't feel hurt.

I know in many occasions I have written something wanting to create eg. humor and because of laziness or speed left out a word or ordered the sentence incorrectly and voila... a completely different meaning creating a completely different response than intended.

I am sure Don did not mean to sound rough. Probably rushed through. You know, wanting to help but not enough time.

I surely hope many people read between my lines and for that reason I allow the same benefit to others. I always try and read in between their lines.

Take care and I lookforward to reading more of you.

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thanks you guys, for explaining how misunderstandings occur online...we can't see the facial expressions, we have only words....!
Lola, I read through the link you gave and found the taster/nontaster stuff interesting. I suspect I am a nontaster....I have a benign growth on my thyroid....and have suspected I was hypothyroid, though the numbers never indicated...also, since being on BTD I don't feel as if I may be hypothyroid anymore. (Also I don't eat cauliflower, or brussel sprouts anymore)  I used to just love those thyroid inhibiting veggies!!!!Yum! (they are so good) which may mean that I inherited genes from a coastal dweller......(to counteract the additional iodine from shellfish,, or whatever, which I don't care for)........eh?
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notwithstanding that DH attributes to me a very good palate....and has me taste wines for him, (winemaker and salesman)(no thyroid inhibitors there)

maybe my scots ancestors were cutting up peat for the distillery........
the islay scotch tastes of the sea! (not for the faint)

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interesting theory!


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Also, I now take bladderwrack everyday, providing additional iodine......
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Quoted from jayneeo
thanks you guys, for explaining how misunderstandings occur online...we can't see the facial expressions, we have only words....!


This is really an important point!


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Quoted from Drea

"NN: statistically uncommon (less than 10%), primarily affecting fat metabolism. While Live Right 4 Your Type did not offer dietary adjustments based upon NN status, we now know that NN folks benefit by strictly reducing fats, especially cholesterol-containing foods, in their diets. They appear to have less ability to digest and assimilate fats." - Heidi Merrit


I bet this was Dr. McDougall's problem, even though he is an "O". That's why he has to eat vegan that's why he had a stroke at 18 years old from a junk food diet. The BTD science is very fascinating.
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Sorry I'm new...can you tell me what NN or MN or MM status is and how do I figure this out?


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Quoted from sml
Sorry I'm new...can you tell me what NN or MN or MM status is and how do I figure this out?



MM blood status explained here

You can determine your status using blood serotyping.
One source for this Southwest Naturopathic Medical Center Laboratory


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