Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register


Main Forum Page  ♦   Latest Posts  ♦   Member Center  ♦   Search  ♦   Archives   ♦   Help   ♦   Log In/Out   ♦   Admins
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    Live Right 4 Your Type  ›  greater sensitivity 2 avoids after high compliance
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 1 Guests

greater sensitivity 2 avoids after high compliance  This thread currently has 2,289 views. Print Print Thread
2 Pages 1 2 All Recommend Thread
zola
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 6:58am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT4 - Explorer
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 487
Location: WA, USA
Age: 42
Who has noticed that they have greater sensitivity to avoids after being compliant to the blood type diet?

I wonder if my body is more offended after being cleaned up.

What is your take?


It is so pleasant to explore nature & oneself at the same time, doing violence neither to her nor to one's own spirit, but bringing both into balance in gentle, mutual interaction.

Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message
RhodaMaria
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 8:10am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Zola,

The more compliant one has been over a period, the greater the sensitivity you have when taking avoids..
For me it is not worth 'sinning' by eating avoids.. The diarrhea, fatigue are no option for me anymore.. So I stopped eating avoids completely.
I feel great adhering to my A secretor lifestyle!!  

Cocky
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 1 - 49
Henriette Bsec
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 8:34am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

swamied nomad chameleon receptor worldview
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 8,753
Gender: Female
Location: Denmark
Age: 42
I for sure feel this affect - but no all avoids do that to me!
Being a secretor I have the "luck"? †that Iīve got tier 2 avoids and I do not seem to have a physical problems/reactions with these... but I try (and try) to stay away from avoids in general.
I do find that my body reacts most violent to te red falg avoids... no wonder there !

I †have a feeling that nonnies a "punished" more severe than healthy secretors- when they "sin"...

I noticed that my othervise healthy O sec daughter-  gets ezema every time she do milk and yoghurt - BUT she gets no reactions to cream and fatty cheese- so she is allowed to sin in the weekend.


ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids

Revision History (1 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Sunday, March 25, 2007, 8:35am
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 2 - 49
Mitchie
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 9:02am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Teacher
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 342
Gender: Female
Location: Denver, Colorado
Age: 61
Hi Zola,

At this point I wouldn't even consider eating any avoids.  The fleeting bliss of Ben & Jerry's ice cream would soon be forgotten in a few hours when my body was in "rebellion mode".

I really enjoy how making good food choices results in feeling good.  It's been quite empowering!


Mitchie  

Revision History (1 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Sunday, March 25, 2007, 9:04am
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 3 - 49
Debra+
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:11pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Eat BTD...Healthy Body... Happier Soul 'Gatherer'
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 5,812
Gender: Female
Location: Kirkland Lake, Northern Ontario, Canada
Age: 57
Yes...a greater sensitivity to avoids now.  Unless I don't know I am eating them (which is not likely to happen if I can help it) I don't eat any avoids anymore.  It is not worth it.  Like you say Mitchie...the bliss of eating Ben & Jerry's ice cream (or whatever) would soon be forgotten in a few hours (most times it is within minutes for me) when my body was in "rebellion mode".  It also can take days for it to be gone from my body.  Just ain't going there anymore.

Debra


"Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves." C.G. Jung"

O+nonT

CBP (Certified BodyTalk Practitioner)
Mindscape (remote/distant healing)
Traditional Chinese Medicine
Accunect Practitioner...in training to teach Self-Care
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 4 - 49
OSuzanna
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:36pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Explorer
Sam Dan
Posts: 1,618
Gender: Female
Location: Rhode Island
Age: 60
Definitely avoids bother me more dramatically as a btd'er. A good example is, sometime in the first few weeks of compliance when I was a newbie, I was eating a "compliant" bowl of something - I forget what - that had a lot of pasta/spaghetti sauce involved. As I ate, my face started sweating and I started post-nasal-dripping like crazy and started getting a sore throat. I knew it had to be something in that bowl, and I got the spaghetti sauce jar and read the label...one of the first ingredients was corn syrup!! I had already known for years corn syrup bothered me, but here was a pronounced effect. Lesson learned!
One of the good things about avoids bothering you more is you can actually tell which ones are bothering you, and the symptoms they cause. Imagine my surprise when I learned the connection between oatmeal/granola and my elbow tendonitis!!
Yes, avoids actually help the lessons move from "book learning" to body experience, and we benefit alot from the experience.


OSuzanna
A Before Picture , In the Process of Becoming an After Picture
FOOD for THOUGHT, Super Beneficial 4 All Blood Types!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 5 - 49
ISA-MANUELA
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User

and yeeesssss rrooostersisss you are soooo right ...congratulation for this deep insight ... nor do I with any cafť since Octobre


I think the toughiest is, to go around the temptations like white chocs, ice cream etc....
but when no more interest is there...nothing will happen

Revision History (1 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:38pm
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 6 - 49
OSuzanna
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Explorer
Sam Dan
Posts: 1,618
Gender: Female
Location: Rhode Island
Age: 60
Quoted from Henriette_Bsec

I noticed that my othervise healthy O sec daughter- †gets ezema every time she do milk and yoghurt - BUT she gets no reactions to cream and fatty cheese- so she is allowed to sin in the weekend.


I have always noticed that milk in, say, coffee or tea would bother the heck out of me, whereas the same amount of cream or half+half would not. †Pre btd that was a great puzzle.
Sienna is so cute!



OSuzanna
A Before Picture , In the Process of Becoming an After Picture
FOOD for THOUGHT, Super Beneficial 4 All Blood Types!

Revision History (1 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:42pm
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 7 - 49
Whimsical
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 1:08pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

HUNTER Naturopathic Doctor in Toronto
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 1,213
Gender: Female
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 34
I'm going to be the dissenter and say this isn't true for me.  

I've been on the BTD for 5 years now and for many of those years, this was the case.  However, in the last year or so I have been working hard at improving my liver, kidneys, digestion (detoxification) and using quality probiotics diligently to improve my handling of sugars (including fruit, etc).  

I used to feel awful after eating avoids, especially the next morning, but in the last 6 months I have found that I am actually able to get away with the odd avoid when I have to (birthday parties, dinner out, etc) with far less impact!  I have to specify that I nearly never eat wheat, though.  Usually the avoids I have are potatoes, dairy, or sugar.  I used to use Deflect, but it only works on lectins (so not sugar, dairy) and I found that I did not notice a difference when using it with avoids.  What I've used it for instead is as a regular supplement to heal.  Perhaps I should try it with avoids again sometime.


MIFHI E-185
Naturopathic Doctor in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 8 - 49
Whimsical
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 1:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

HUNTER Naturopathic Doctor in Toronto
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 1,213
Gender: Female
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 34
One more thing - since September I have been working with my intern at the school clinic using homeopathy and auricular medicine and these things have had an incredible impact on my health too and I suspect this has a lot to do with the change in my reaction to avoids.  

My skin is clearer and healthier than it has been since high school, I have far fewer cramps during my period, and many other issues have been resolved or improved.  I only got so far on my own, even after years of compliance, research, and self-treatment.  I plan to write a blog about all this when I have time!


MIFHI E-185
Naturopathic Doctor in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 9 - 49
veggiegirl
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 3:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh +
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 228
Gender: Female
Location: Newville, PA
Age: 44
The timing of this thread is SO appropriate! †This just happened to me last night!!! Don't know what I was thinking, but I messed up and had a piece of banana nut bread and WHAM! †It didn't even dawn on me until after I ate it that bananas are an avoid for me. †A half an hour later I was in agony for the rest of the evening with cramps & diarrhea! †I was sick to my stomach the rest of the night. †Man, what a lesson! †


"Life shared among people who love each other is the ideal of happiness." --George Sand

Revision History (1 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Sunday, March 25, 2007, 3:23pm
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 10 - 49
ctconservative
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 4:11pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
bananna bread eh? me likey. yea the 2 killer foods for me is rice and wheat. mayby cause im an animal at the dinner table i have to much rice (even though brown) i feel like my stomach wants to explode.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 11 - 49
Victoria
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 5:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Nomad 56%
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 15,437
Gender: Female
Location: Oregon
Before BTD, when I lived on avoids, my body had settled into a low-grade chronic state of discomfort and slowly declining health.  I did not notice any immediate reaction from foods since most of what I ate was hurting my health (even though it was organic, natural and unrefined!)

After a few years on the BTD, the healing of my body has progressed in stages, sometimes with a flare-up of an old chronic condition that doesn't even seem to be related to what I eat (since I don't eat avoids anymore).  But I have noticed that many of the Infrequent Neutrals are not good for me at all, and if I eat them two or three days in a row, I feel as if I'm coming down with the flu.

A couple of weeks ago, I was at a friend's party with the only compliant protein for me being Quiche, baked into a wheat crust.  I ate a small piece, without the crust, but there was evidently some flour that floated up into the egg, because I felt like I had the flu for about 4 days.  So I call that instant sensitivity!

One of our members described it on another thread like this:
Her body is saying, "Oh, so NOW you want me to communicate with you when the food you eat isn't good for me?  Ok, you asked for it!"  (I'm paraphrasing)



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
~Mary Jean Irion
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 12 - 49
veggiegirl
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 5:32pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh +
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 228
Gender: Female
Location: Newville, PA
Age: 44
I think the BTD helps you to become more in tune with your body thereby being more apt to listen to the messages it sends.  Before BTD, I never paid much attention to what my body was trying to tell me.  Definitely a positive as far as I'm concerned!  



"Life shared among people who love each other is the ideal of happiness." --George Sand
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 13 - 49
Luana
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 9:08pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-; 46% NOMAD (Receptor)
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 368
Gender: Female
Location: Canada
Age: 48
Since starting on this diet over one year ago I have healed in many areas.  I no longer get colds like I use to and my sinuses have cleared up and healed quite a bit.  There is still more healing to do since I went so downhill from drugs and antibiotics on top of a bad diet.

When I eat an avoid, if it is a crucial one like wheat, I feel drugged and stuffed up the next day.  Chicken I haven't noticed any affect but sugar makes me quite ill immediately.  Corn tires my body.  Yes, it's great to be more in tune with myself and looking forward to continual healing on this new way of eating.

LF


BTD as of 03/13/07; GTD as of 01/01/11

SWAMI EXPRESS NOMAD

Revision History (1 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Sunday, March 25, 2007, 9:09pm
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 14 - 49
purlgirl
Sunday, March 25, 2007, 9:53pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT3 Teacher, non-taster
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,034
Gender: Female
Location: Northern CA, USA
Age: 69
I've only been at this since Jan so I have a long way to go, but I have made good progress and it sure feels grt.

I get in more trouble bc I don't like to waste food. It's usually something I bought for DH or left over from company.
My demon this week was boxed pudding made with soy milk and Bananas and Whipped cream.
So stupid - I know I'm extremely sensative to chemicals. That was Thurs. - it's Sunday now and I'm still recovering.

When I do react and get sinus pain I remind myself that I was in pain constantly befor.

For me the time of day I'm most likely to blow it  is just befor bed.  I have to eat something or I wake with a headache. I just need to plan ahead.

Whimsical - It's good to hear that things will get better.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 15 - 49
Ribbit
Monday, March 26, 2007, 2:52am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~W~A~R~R~I~O~R~ Defender, Survivor
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 8,156
Gender: Female
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Age: 37
I talked an O friend into trying the BTD.  She was on it for a week when she ate a piece of chocolate cake---I think it was her first real avoid that week.  Within a matter of an hour she felt her face swelling and her brain fogging and her stomach hurting.  I saw her again today and asked her, chuckling, how long it took her to work through that cake.  She said,  "Well, the problem is, I ate another piece of it after I got home.  Then the next day I had a migraine.  It took me several days to work through that cake."  She healed that much in a week, so that she couldn't even eat cake anymore.  Now she's convinced that something's really happening in her body.

I have developed sensitivities to avoids too, things that didn't used to bother me.  But what really gets me are the neutrals that I can't eat now, peppers specifically.  As a non-secreter, they're supposed to be neutral.  But since being on the BTD, I found that peppers and potatoes were the very foods causing my acne and terrible cysts all over my upper body from the age of about 10 till I went on the diet.  But the problem is with peppers---I don't have to ingest them to react.  All I have to do is touch one or, I found out recently, inhale it as it's cooking, to react as if I'd eaten it.  That's scary.  Pepper oils?  And this last reaction I have no idea where it came from.  Maybe my hand brushed my husband's Tobasco jar in the fridge as I was reaching for the peanut butter.  Yikes.  

And here's a question about Deflect.  Before, when I took Deflect as soon as my skin started breaking out after an pepper exposure, it would all go away and be okay within in about two weeks (normally my skin would look leperous for about 2 months or longer until it worked its way out).  But now, it's like it quit working or something and it's taking months again for it to go away.  My husband suggested I quit taking the Deflect for a week or so then begin again.  Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

Family: 3 As, 1 B, 1 AB, 1 O
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 16 - 49
Olerica
Monday, March 26, 2007, 2:59am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT3 Teacher!
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 576
Gender: Female
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Age: 44
My experience has been that I was more sensitive for a long while to avoids and then I wasn't as sensitive (sort-of like Kate/Whimsical above).  I think it's because I eat less of the avoids.


"To be nobody-but-yourselfóin a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody elseómeans to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting." ee cummings
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Skype Skype Reply: 17 - 49
Victoria
Monday, March 26, 2007, 4:45am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Nomad 56%
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 15,437
Gender: Female
Location: Oregon
Ribbit,
How about trying a generous short term (a couple of days) dose of licorice root and quercetin the next time you have an outbreak.  It is very effective with other acute allergic reactions, such as poison ivy (oak), or insect bites and stings.



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
~Mary Jean Irion
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 18 - 49
eh
Monday, March 26, 2007, 8:01am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Sam Dan
Posts: 752
Absolutement, Zola!
Whimsical, I'm looking forward to reading your blog on the topic.

I've noticed that as long as I am focusing on beneficials and neutrals, then I may occasionally have beef (an avoid for ABs) without any problems whatsoever. However, the worst avoids for me are black pepper, fresh/preserved/dried chiles and vinegar. I practically go into anaphylactic shock these days. My throat constricts suddenly and I feel like I am choking. Just like Ribbit, I only need to catch a whiff of the offender. It's a shock to me because I never used to have problems with these foods at all. I'm experimenting with re-introducing tiny amounts so that I am not caught out in public where my spluttering would probably mean coughing my meal across the table....um, it has happened. Fortunately, my dinner guest was English. Beyond the mildest, most fleeting look of surprise, she behaved as if nothing untoward had happened....then again, if you have 'dined' on English food....um, sorry to my UK mates....but that was my excuse, at the time.


Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 19 - 49
ISA-MANUELA
Monday, March 26, 2007, 11:43am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Madame eh, I know I am not nice by laughing  onto that subject but just the picture in my head to see you *caughing your meal across the table * just toooo funny fo my imagination ...
and be assured, nothing abnormal in that behaviour (meant from yours )

but you know, my biggest wish at this time is: to go into one of the best and expensivest reataurants,
equal of what nature or country and behaving like rats ...just miss piggy should be the prťname ......of this omG...I know that I am a bit   ....but I think would pee into my pants ;)

                                                     
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 20 - 49
eh
Monday, March 26, 2007, 12:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Sam Dan
Posts: 752
you cannot take me out anywhere, Isa...oh, the stories I can dine out on...
you would laugh your head off...


Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 21 - 49
Jane
Monday, March 26, 2007, 1:47pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Kyosha Nim
Posts: 3,742
Gender: Female
Location: Metrowest Boston, MA
Age: 70
Great thread.  I took my mother and her aide out to lunch on Saturday to a Pizzeria Uno.  I ordered a hamburger on a plate with lettuce and mozzarella and a side of smashed cauliflower.  I don't know what was in the cauliflower (I know better. I should have asked ahead of time).  It knocked the heck out of me.  I was supposed to meet some friends for dinner but I felt so lousy I stayed home.  I hadn't had cauliflower for a long time.  I'm pretty sure it's an O secretor neutral.
Jane
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 22 - 49
Victoria
Monday, March 26, 2007, 5:19pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Nomad 56%
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 15,437
Gender: Female
Location: Oregon
Hey Jane, Guess what?

Cauliflower is a Tier one avoid for both O secretors and nonnies.  Tier one is the worst avoids and the best beneficials.



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
~Mary Jean Irion
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 23 - 49
Lola
Monday, March 26, 2007, 7:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,445
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
eh,
perhaps testing your subtype would be interesting.....
you could be an A1B or an A2B.....


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 24 - 49
Alia Vo
Monday, March 26, 2007, 9:08pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Kyosha Nim
Posts: 3,640
Gender: Female
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Age: 43
The food senstivity towards avoids after a long absence allows our bodies to be cognizant that this lifestyle is working for us effectively.

Alia


Alia A. Vo
A Positive Secretor
Minneapolis, Minnesota
BTD Lifestyle Since 1999
John 17
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 25 - 49
Ribbit
Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 1:48am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~W~A~R~R~I~O~R~ Defender, Survivor
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 8,156
Gender: Female
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Age: 37
That's right.  One thing that's really interesting to me is how many people on this forum have food sensitivities, many only discovered after BTD.  Goes to show you that Dr. D certainly got something right besides just preventing disease.  I think the entire point of the BTD was to have each type in optimal health and prevent common diseases prevelant in each type, but as a side benefit, we are all discovering that we shouldn't be eating those avoids anyway, because they were making us feel bad.  It's amazing, really.

I remember a long time ago there was a post by Dr. D saying something about how often he ate avoids and many of us were astonished that he could get away with it.  I posted that I figure he's been on the BTD so many years that a few avoids don't bother him anymore.  Looks like that idea is being revisited.

While I personally am still really sensitive to a few things, on the flip side I was in a situation where the only thing I could eat for two meals in a row was pork.  Now I haven't had pork in nearly 2 years (nor have I had all the additives and junk that it certainly contained), and I thought it might be really aweful for me, but surprisingly I had no reaction at all.  No lethargy, no irritability, no tummy ache, no nothing.  

Been a little afraid of trying the neutral dairy products (I'm scared of the idea of cheese--can you say 'labor pains?'), but to be honest when I spooned out some plain yogurt for my daughter the other day, my brain said, "You know, that would really be good for you right now."  I didn't try it, but I'm thinking I might when I have nothing going on for a couple of days just in case I have the old stomach reaction.


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

Family: 3 As, 1 B, 1 AB, 1 O
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 26 - 49
Peppermint Twist
Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 2:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Gatherer; iNfj; BTD/GTD aficionado; lost 97 lbs
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 11,139
Gender: Female
Location: Florida
Age: 53
Quoted from zola
Who has noticed that they have greater sensitivity to avoids after being compliant to the blood type diet?

I wonder if my body is more offended after being cleaned up.

What is your take?

Many of us BTDers have noticed this. †My take on it is that one or more of several things could be going on when this phenomenon takes place. †For me, I think it is two-fold:

1. †I NOTICE my reaction to avoids more, because now I have a healthy baseline and so it is like, day-uuuum, I never noticed that when I eat wheat, x, y, and z happens! †I always thought, pre-BTD, that x, y and z were my normal state of affairs!

2. †When chugging along in healthy, BTD baseline fashion, our immune system is free to really ATTACK any offenders. †Unlike when there was a constant barage/assault of avoids, pre-BTD, and we were run down and our immune "army" was scattered in a million directions, we now have a potent, organized standing army ready to ATTACK anything that gets past the gates. †So the response to each avoid may indeed by swifter and stronger than before. †For example, my allergy to new-mown grass, which was bad as a kid, then seemed to go away, is baa-aack. †Not as bad as when I was a kid, but baaa-aack, nonetheless. †I think because my immune system is saying, in the immortal words of an anti-drug marcher's chant: †"We're fired up, we ain't taking no mo'!"

That's my scientific analysis of the sitch, anyway *lol*! †


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

my Facebook page

Revision History (2 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 2:48pm
Henriette_Bsec  -  Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 2:44pm
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 27 - 49
Henriette Bsec
Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 4:08pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

swamied nomad chameleon receptor worldview
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 8,753
Gender: Female
Location: Denmark
Age: 42
Quoted from Edna
1.  I NOTICE my reaction to avoids more, because now I have a healthy baseline and so it is like, day-uuuum, I never noticed that when I eat wheat, x, y, and z happens!  I always thought, pre-BTD, that x, y and z were my normal state of affairs!


so true ! I agree 100 %


ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids

Revision History (1 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 2:40pm
Fixed quote blah code.
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 28 - 49
dawgmama
Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 4:58pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT% 44% Explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 545
Gender: Female
Location: Wisconsin-near Milwaukee
Age: 54
My O guys really like "baby back ribs" on the grill, so.... since Sunday was the warmest day of the year here in Wi and ribs were on sale, I "treated" my guys to a nice BBQ. I made those ribs to perfection, and boy did they smell good! I never buy pork for them, so it has been quite a while since they've had it. My husband and son really enjoyed the meal, however Monday morning my husband called from work and asked where the Advil was. Both of his elbows really ached. I mentioned "hmmm... maybe it is from the pork?" Get this!!!!  He actually agreed with me!! He doesn't really follow BTD for himself, but eats whatever I put in front of him. I am still working on getting him to not eat wheat, but his consumption is way down. When my son got home from school, I noticed that he was experiencing quite an acne breakout, and he said his stomach hurt.

I guess I will have to start watching for sales on beef ribs, since the guys enjoy that meal so much. I wonder, by getting my son more compliant, if when he goes to college, and eats the normal slop that is so common in that age group, if he will really suffer? Any suggestions?


"Be as gentle as  possible, and as firm as necessary".   Tom Dorrance-the 'father' of natural horsemanship

How true, for life, parenting, horse and dog training!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 29 - 49
Alia Vo
Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 10:07pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Kyosha Nim
Posts: 3,640
Gender: Female
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Age: 43
Good learning lesson for your husband and son.

If your son has the opportunity to live in an apartment when he's away at college, this will allow him more freedom to cook his own meals or throw together healthy compliant pre-made 'O' food items.

College dorm foods contain alot of wheat, dairy, corn, gmo and processed foods. †His safest option would be favoring the salad bars to prepare and 'design' his own meals based on meat, fish, vegetables, and other healthy compliant foods.

Alia


Alia A. Vo
A Positive Secretor
Minneapolis, Minnesota
BTD Lifestyle Since 1999
John 17
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 30 - 49
Cathy
Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 5:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
For me, I am a lot more sensitive to the meats, a lot of bloating and gas.  Lima beans are very painful, so that makes it easier to avoid.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 31 - 49
Ribbit
Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 8:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~W~A~R~R~I~O~R~ Defender, Survivor
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 8,156
Gender: Female
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Age: 37
We just got back from a week in Florida and at dinner time (and bathroom-break time) the only exit for miles around had a restaurant we'd never eaten at.  A "family-style" restaurant.  We went in and ordered the foods that seemed the safest, and paid an arm and a leg for it.  It wasn't very good.  And 2 hrs. later when we stopped at a rest area, I was having some real sugar cravings.  While my husband was in the bathroom, I sneeked over to just look at the junk in the vending machines.  I resisted, of course, knowing it would only make things worse.  Out at the car, I mentioned, "Wow, I'm really wanting sugar right now.  Lunch threw something off."  My husband said, "Yeah, while you were in the bathroom I almost bought a candy bar and a coke."  We both laughed and settled for some dried fruit and nuts which we had brought with us.  Interesting that one bad meal made us both crave sugar like that.  For dinner we stopped at a sushi place (and paid the other arm and leg) and felt good and clean after we ate.


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

Family: 3 As, 1 B, 1 AB, 1 O
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 32 - 49
funkymuse
Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 10:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Wow.. just read all the posts here on this thread and it's very motivating.  All the posts on the forum are helping me want to get more and more on track with the BTD.  Like I said before, I've been bouncing back and forth thinking I could have an avoid here and there, etc., etc., and I just have never felt very good.  I have a day or two that I might feel good and then crappy again.

Due to reading all these posts, I can only put the blame only on myself for not working to be more compliant.  I want to 'feel good!'  The stories here make me realize that it is possible to feel good if I work at being compliant.

Today while I was on a walk with my husband, we saw some older forest workers eating subway sandwiches and chips for lunch and I thought to myself... how do people get away with it?  If I ate that, I'd be sick, and fogged in and tired and achy.  Don't they feel that way?  Why doesn't my husband, who is an A and loves his burgers and crappy food, feel sick all the time?  I can't answer for the forest workers or my husband, I only know how I feel and it is NOT good after eating non-compliant foods!

So thank you once again and again and again for all your stories of success in working the BTD.  The ideas, suggestions and testimonies are a lifeline for me that I'm slowly but surely beginning to use more and more in my own daily moments with food.

Christina
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 33 - 49
Lola
Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 11:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,445
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
we all benefit by reading this forum!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 34 - 49
Ribbit
Friday, April 13, 2007, 12:31am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~W~A~R~R~I~O~R~ Defender, Survivor
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 8,156
Gender: Female
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Age: 37
It's one of the highlights of my day.


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

Family: 3 As, 1 B, 1 AB, 1 O
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 35 - 49
Ronagon
Friday, April 13, 2007, 7:35pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Yes, I'm the same.  I can't eat the avoids anymore.  They totally wreak havoc on my body now.  I feel so bad it's incredible.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 36 - 49
shells
Saturday, April 14, 2007, 12:38pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Explorer Rh -
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 493
Gender: Female
Location: Australia
Quoted from funkymuse


So thank you once again and again and again for all your stories of success in working the BTD.  The ideas, suggestions and testimonies are a lifeline for me that I'm slowly but surely beginning to use more and more in my own daily moments with food.

Christina


I fully agree with Christina ...being a lifeline of support in daily life and also like Ribbit ...

"It's one of the highlights of my day."

Cheers  
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 37 - 49
Esmerelda
Monday, April 16, 2007, 10:11pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Gatherer / Rh+ / INFP
Summer: Realization, expansion.
Posts: 52
Gender: Female
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Age: 27
I'll be the first to admit that I'm definitely not completely compliant, but even still, I really notice the difference when eating avoids, especially wheat... It makes me feel ill, makes my throat start to itch and ache, my eczema flare up, and my nose starts running like I've been crying.

However, I can get away with the odd potato, so long as it's in modearation and eaten with compliant foods. If I have the occasional isolated snack of crisps or corn crackers, I get bad stomach cramps and very unpleasant gas...

I know that sugar is very, very bad for me, but as I've been physically and mentally addicted to it for as long as I can remember, I'm having a hard time slowing consumption. However, I seem to have been making progress lately... It's silly, but I go mad when I'm in the supermarket and buy tons of sugary rubbish in my fuzzy state, and then once I'm home and looking forward to my simple beef and sweet potato supper, the very sight of biscuits or chocolate makes me want to throw up. I feel so much clearer, balanced and stable when I manage to stop for a few days... And if I succumb then, it's almost like getting high. Scary.


No tricks, no unpleasant bending! Wrestle poodles and WIN!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 38 - 49
Victoria
Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 12:53am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Nomad 56%
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 15,437
Gender: Female
Location: Oregon
Quoted from Esmerelda

I feel so much clearer, balanced and stable when I manage to stop for a few days... And if I succumb then, it's almost like getting high. Scary.


This is very insightful.  

It really is a type of addiction, whether to starches, sugar, caffeine, or other foods that trigger so much misery.  Once we start, it seems that the only way to relieve the suffering is to eat more of the offending food.  But that keeps the cycle locked in place as an entrapment.



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
~Mary Jean Irion
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 39 - 49
erin
Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 4:11am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Hi all...

I have just started the BTD, but I've all but given up dairy for about a year now to try and rid myself of chronic sinus problems.

On the rare occasions I have dairy, I believe the significant factor as to whether I have a reaction to it is the amount of processing/pasteurisation involved.  

Cheese is in almost everything here in NZ.  Even when I specifically ask for a sandwich without cheese at a grab and go place at the mall where I work, it will usually have cheese hidden in there somewhere.  I can tell almost immediately after digging in!  The cheap, processed stuff will get me almost every time.  (Now I go to Subway, where I can watch my sandwich being made!)

However, when I've had organic dairy, I almost never have a reaction (or if I do, it's minimal).  Sometimes I will get a mango lassi with my lamb saag at the local Indian takeaway and I never have a reaction to it.  I asked the chef/owner where he gets the yoghurt from and he proudly told me he makes it himself!

It's logical to me that the processing/additives a food has contribute just as much to the avoid reaction as the food itself.

Do any of you experience this as well?

Cheers
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 40 - 49
Victoria
Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 5:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Nomad 56%
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 15,437
Gender: Female
Location: Oregon
Quoted from erin

It's logical to me that the processing/additives a food has contribute just as much to the avoid reaction as the food itself.

Do any of you experience this as well?


I totally agree with your opinion of chemically laced, processed foods being terribly bad for our health.  Natural, simple, organic foods are easier to digest and do not complicate our body's efforts to digest and metabolise foods.

However, if a food is classed as Avoid, it's still an avoid, whether it is organic and unprocessed, or not.  The reasons that foods are avoids are due to the nature of the substance itself, in ways that may not even be felt for years.  Later on, down the road, serious diseases can be the result of eating avoids, even if those foods appeared to be easy to digest and showed no negative reactions in the short term.



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
~Mary Jean Irion
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 41 - 49
erin
Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 10:16pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Thanks.  I understand the reason for avoiding "avoids" in all circumstances; I was just speaking of the initial reaction to eating the food and wondering if anyone else had noticed the same differences, since no one had mentioned the organic/processing factors yet on the thread.  But I can understand why it might seem I was looking for an excuse to eat them
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 42 - 49
Lola
Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 10:27pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,445
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
try getting rid of the wheat too!
feel the difference!
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000312.htm


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!

Revision History (1 edits)
Henriette_Bsec  -  Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 10:32pm
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 43 - 49
erin
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 1:23am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Hi Lola,

I am almost completely wheat- and corn-free... it's great!  I had already changed to spelt and rye bread and buckwheat/millet/veggie pastas pre-BTD once I realised that all the grains I was consuming were either wheat, oats or rice and decided I needed more variety.  Now on the BTD I am just finetuning that aspect.  The only time I have wheat is the occasional sandwich out, but I am working on anticipating that and bringing something from home instead.    It's funny how I had been working towards the BTD for awhile without even knowing it!  The main challenge as a former veggie is getting in the animal protein.  I don't eat much processed food so it's pretty easy to avoid corn, although I just glanced at the label on my canned salmon the other day and saw maize thickener in the ingredient list...  It's even more common in NZ than at home in the States, I think.  Will have to find another brand methinks!
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 44 - 49
Victoria
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 6:51pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Nomad 56%
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 15,437
Gender: Female
Location: Oregon
Erin,
There are quite a number of us ex-vegetarians here on the Forum.  



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
~Mary Jean Irion
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 45 - 49
Lola
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 10:21pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,445
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
great Erin!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 46 - 49
erin
Thursday, April 19, 2007, 7:00am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from Victoria
Erin,
There are quite a number of us ex-vegetarians here on the Forum.  
Thanks, Victoria, that is very comforting to know.  

I have an O friend who is still sticking it out as a veggie.  I really hope she doesn't run into more health trouble down the road (already has Hashimoto's).  She says eating meat makes her ill.  When I had meat recently for the first time in a long time, I could swear I felt all the cells in my body smile at once.

Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 47 - 49
Lola
Thursday, April 19, 2007, 2:16pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,445
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
type O vegetarian

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC,v=display,m=1152583838,s=0
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=lr4yt,m=1125103517,s=0
http://www.dadamo.com/fao/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1072550006
Quoted Text
Dr D
It is only my completely subjective opinion that many grain
eating-vegetarian type O's are dopamine deficient, and
perhaps because of this some, tend be more introverted,
others more angry or agitated.

Most of the vegetable proteins are not metabolized efficiently
by type O, and some inhibit their proper functioning of the thyroid.

In reality (although very occasionally spotted) a healthy vegan
type O is a rather rare thing.


More commonly,  vegan type O's  help explain
why the people who hang out in health food
stores often don't look very robust or healthy.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 48 - 49
Ronagon
Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 10:10am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
I agree.  

After being on high compliance now, whenever I have any carbohydrate avoids I get no end of sinusitis, headaches, puffiness, abdominal cramping, and even chest and arm pains.  

To end these symptoms, I have to take Deflect, cayenne, and ginger.  That usually helps a lot.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 49 - 49
2 Pages 1 2 All Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    Live Right 4 Your Type  ›  greater sensitivity 2 avoids after high compliance

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread