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Alia Vo
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The food senstivity towards avoids after a long absence allows our bodies to be cognizant that this lifestyle is working for us effectively.

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That's right.  One thing that's really interesting to me is how many people on this forum have food sensitivities, many only discovered after BTD.  Goes to show you that Dr. D certainly got something right besides just preventing disease.  I think the entire point of the BTD was to have each type in optimal health and prevent common diseases prevelant in each type, but as a side benefit, we are all discovering that we shouldn't be eating those avoids anyway, because they were making us feel bad.  It's amazing, really.

I remember a long time ago there was a post by Dr. D saying something about how often he ate avoids and many of us were astonished that he could get away with it.  I posted that I figure he's been on the BTD so many years that a few avoids don't bother him anymore.  Looks like that idea is being revisited.

While I personally am still really sensitive to a few things, on the flip side I was in a situation where the only thing I could eat for two meals in a row was pork.  Now I haven't had pork in nearly 2 years (nor have I had all the additives and junk that it certainly contained), and I thought it might be really aweful for me, but surprisingly I had no reaction at all.  No lethargy, no irritability, no tummy ache, no nothing.  

Been a little afraid of trying the neutral dairy products (I'm scared of the idea of cheese--can you say 'labor pains?'), but to be honest when I spooned out some plain yogurt for my daughter the other day, my brain said, "You know, that would really be good for you right now."  I didn't try it, but I'm thinking I might when I have nothing going on for a couple of days just in case I have the old stomach reaction.


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Who has noticed that they have greater sensitivity to avoids after being compliant to the blood type diet?

I wonder if my body is more offended after being cleaned up.

What is your take?

Many of us BTDers have noticed this. My take on it is that one or more of several things could be going on when this phenomenon takes place. For me, I think it is two-fold:

1. I NOTICE my reaction to avoids more, because now I have a healthy baseline and so it is like, day-uuuum, I never noticed that when I eat wheat, x, y, and z happens! I always thought, pre-BTD, that x, y and z were my normal state of affairs!

2. When chugging along in healthy, BTD baseline fashion, our immune system is free to really ATTACK any offenders. Unlike when there was a constant barage/assault of avoids, pre-BTD, and we were run down and our immune "army" was scattered in a million directions, we now have a potent, organized standing army ready to ATTACK anything that gets past the gates. So the response to each avoid may indeed by swifter and stronger than before. For example, my allergy to new-mown grass, which was bad as a kid, then seemed to go away, is baa-aack. Not as bad as when I was a kid, but baaa-aack, nonetheless. I think because my immune system is saying, in the immortal words of an anti-drug marcher's chant: "We're fired up, we ain't taking no mo'!"

That's my scientific analysis of the sitch, anyway *lol*!


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Quoted from Edna
1.  I NOTICE my reaction to avoids more, because now I have a healthy baseline and so it is like, day-uuuum, I never noticed that when I eat wheat, x, y, and z happens!  I always thought, pre-BTD, that x, y and z were my normal state of affairs!


so true ! I agree 100 %


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My O guys really like "baby back ribs" on the grill, so.... since Sunday was the warmest day of the year here in Wi and ribs were on sale, I "treated" my guys to a nice BBQ. I made those ribs to perfection, and boy did they smell good! I never buy pork for them, so it has been quite a while since they've had it. My husband and son really enjoyed the meal, however Monday morning my husband called from work and asked where the Advil was. Both of his elbows really ached. I mentioned "hmmm... maybe it is from the pork?" Get this!!!!  He actually agreed with me!! He doesn't really follow BTD for himself, but eats whatever I put in front of him. I am still working on getting him to not eat wheat, but his consumption is way down. When my son got home from school, I noticed that he was experiencing quite an acne breakout, and he said his stomach hurt.

I guess I will have to start watching for sales on beef ribs, since the guys enjoy that meal so much. I wonder, by getting my son more compliant, if when he goes to college, and eats the normal slop that is so common in that age group, if he will really suffer? Any suggestions?


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Good learning lesson for your husband and son.

If your son has the opportunity to live in an apartment when he's away at college, this will allow him more freedom to cook his own meals or throw together healthy compliant pre-made 'O' food items.

College dorm foods contain alot of wheat, dairy, corn, gmo and processed foods. His safest option would be favoring the salad bars to prepare and 'design' his own meals based on meat, fish, vegetables, and other healthy compliant foods.

Alia


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For me, I am a lot more sensitive to the meats, a lot of bloating and gas.  Lima beans are very painful, so that makes it easier to avoid.
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We just got back from a week in Florida and at dinner time (and bathroom-break time) the only exit for miles around had a restaurant we'd never eaten at.  A "family-style" restaurant.  We went in and ordered the foods that seemed the safest, and paid an arm and a leg for it.  It wasn't very good.  And 2 hrs. later when we stopped at a rest area, I was having some real sugar cravings.  While my husband was in the bathroom, I sneeked over to just look at the junk in the vending machines.  I resisted, of course, knowing it would only make things worse.  Out at the car, I mentioned, "Wow, I'm really wanting sugar right now.  Lunch threw something off."  My husband said, "Yeah, while you were in the bathroom I almost bought a candy bar and a coke."  We both laughed and settled for some dried fruit and nuts which we had brought with us.  Interesting that one bad meal made us both crave sugar like that.  For dinner we stopped at a sushi place (and paid the other arm and leg) and felt good and clean after we ate.


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Wow.. just read all the posts here on this thread and it's very motivating.  All the posts on the forum are helping me want to get more and more on track with the BTD.  Like I said before, I've been bouncing back and forth thinking I could have an avoid here and there, etc., etc., and I just have never felt very good.  I have a day or two that I might feel good and then crappy again.

Due to reading all these posts, I can only put the blame only on myself for not working to be more compliant.  I want to 'feel good!'  The stories here make me realize that it is possible to feel good if I work at being compliant.

Today while I was on a walk with my husband, we saw some older forest workers eating subway sandwiches and chips for lunch and I thought to myself... how do people get away with it?  If I ate that, I'd be sick, and fogged in and tired and achy.  Don't they feel that way?  Why doesn't my husband, who is an A and loves his burgers and crappy food, feel sick all the time?  I can't answer for the forest workers or my husband, I only know how I feel and it is NOT good after eating non-compliant foods!

So thank you once again and again and again for all your stories of success in working the BTD.  The ideas, suggestions and testimonies are a lifeline for me that I'm slowly but surely beginning to use more and more in my own daily moments with food.

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It's one of the highlights of my day.


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Yes, I'm the same.  I can't eat the avoids anymore.  They totally wreak havoc on my body now.  I feel so bad it's incredible.
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So thank you once again and again and again for all your stories of success in working the BTD.  The ideas, suggestions and testimonies are a lifeline for me that I'm slowly but surely beginning to use more and more in my own daily moments with food.

Christina


I fully agree with Christina ...being a lifeline of support in daily life and also like Ribbit ...

"It's one of the highlights of my day."

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I'll be the first to admit that I'm definitely not completely compliant, but even still, I really notice the difference when eating avoids, especially wheat... It makes me feel ill, makes my throat start to itch and ache, my eczema flare up, and my nose starts running like I've been crying.

However, I can get away with the odd potato, so long as it's in modearation and eaten with compliant foods. If I have the occasional isolated snack of crisps or corn crackers, I get bad stomach cramps and very unpleasant gas...

I know that sugar is very, very bad for me, but as I've been physically and mentally addicted to it for as long as I can remember, I'm having a hard time slowing consumption. However, I seem to have been making progress lately... It's silly, but I go mad when I'm in the supermarket and buy tons of sugary rubbish in my fuzzy state, and then once I'm home and looking forward to my simple beef and sweet potato supper, the very sight of biscuits or chocolate makes me want to throw up. I feel so much clearer, balanced and stable when I manage to stop for a few days... And if I succumb then, it's almost like getting high. Scary.


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Quoted from Esmerelda

I feel so much clearer, balanced and stable when I manage to stop for a few days... And if I succumb then, it's almost like getting high. Scary.


This is very insightful.  

It really is a type of addiction, whether to starches, sugar, caffeine, or other foods that trigger so much misery.  Once we start, it seems that the only way to relieve the suffering is to eat more of the offending food.  But that keeps the cycle locked in place as an entrapment.



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Hi all...

I have just started the BTD, but I've all but given up dairy for about a year now to try and rid myself of chronic sinus problems.

On the rare occasions I have dairy, I believe the significant factor as to whether I have a reaction to it is the amount of processing/pasteurisation involved.  

Cheese is in almost everything here in NZ.  Even when I specifically ask for a sandwich without cheese at a grab and go place at the mall where I work, it will usually have cheese hidden in there somewhere.  I can tell almost immediately after digging in!  The cheap, processed stuff will get me almost every time.  (Now I go to Subway, where I can watch my sandwich being made!)

However, when I've had organic dairy, I almost never have a reaction (or if I do, it's minimal).  Sometimes I will get a mango lassi with my lamb saag at the local Indian takeaway and I never have a reaction to it.  I asked the chef/owner where he gets the yoghurt from and he proudly told me he makes it himself!

It's logical to me that the processing/additives a food has contribute just as much to the avoid reaction as the food itself.

Do any of you experience this as well?

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It's logical to me that the processing/additives a food has contribute just as much to the avoid reaction as the food itself.

Do any of you experience this as well?


I totally agree with your opinion of chemically laced, processed foods being terribly bad for our health.  Natural, simple, organic foods are easier to digest and do not complicate our body's efforts to digest and metabolise foods.

However, if a food is classed as Avoid, it's still an avoid, whether it is organic and unprocessed, or not.  The reasons that foods are avoids are due to the nature of the substance itself, in ways that may not even be felt for years.  Later on, down the road, serious diseases can be the result of eating avoids, even if those foods appeared to be easy to digest and showed no negative reactions in the short term.



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Thanks.  I understand the reason for avoiding "avoids" in all circumstances; I was just speaking of the initial reaction to eating the food and wondering if anyone else had noticed the same differences, since no one had mentioned the organic/processing factors yet on the thread.  But I can understand why it might seem I was looking for an excuse to eat them
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try getting rid of the wheat too!
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Hi Lola,

I am almost completely wheat- and corn-free... it's great!  I had already changed to spelt and rye bread and buckwheat/millet/veggie pastas pre-BTD once I realised that all the grains I was consuming were either wheat, oats or rice and decided I needed more variety.  Now on the BTD I am just finetuning that aspect.  The only time I have wheat is the occasional sandwich out, but I am working on anticipating that and bringing something from home instead.    It's funny how I had been working towards the BTD for awhile without even knowing it!  The main challenge as a former veggie is getting in the animal protein.  I don't eat much processed food so it's pretty easy to avoid corn, although I just glanced at the label on my canned salmon the other day and saw maize thickener in the ingredient list...  It's even more common in NZ than at home in the States, I think.  Will have to find another brand methinks!
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Erin,
There are quite a number of us ex-vegetarians here on the Forum.  



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great Erin!


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Erin,
There are quite a number of us ex-vegetarians here on the Forum.  
Thanks, Victoria, that is very comforting to know.  

I have an O friend who is still sticking it out as a veggie.  I really hope she doesn't run into more health trouble down the road (already has Hashimoto's).  She says eating meat makes her ill.  When I had meat recently for the first time in a long time, I could swear I felt all the cells in my body smile at once.

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type O vegetarian

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It is only my completely subjective opinion that many grain
eating-vegetarian type O's are dopamine deficient, and
perhaps because of this some, tend be more introverted,
others more angry or agitated.

Most of the vegetable proteins are not metabolized efficiently
by type O, and some inhibit their proper functioning of the thyroid.

In reality (although very occasionally spotted) a healthy vegan
type O is a rather rare thing.


More commonly,  vegan type O's  help explain
why the people who hang out in health food
stores often don't look very robust or healthy.


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I agree.  

After being on high compliance now, whenever I have any carbohydrate avoids I get no end of sinusitis, headaches, puffiness, abdominal cramping, and even chest and arm pains.  

To end these symptoms, I have to take Deflect, cayenne, and ginger.  That usually helps a lot.
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