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zola
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Who has noticed that they have greater sensitivity to avoids after being compliant to the blood type diet?

I wonder if my body is more offended after being cleaned up.

What is your take?


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Zola,

The more compliant one has been over a period, the greater the sensitivity you have when taking avoids..
For me it is not worth 'sinning' by eating avoids.. The diarrhea, fatigue are no option for me anymore.. So I stopped eating avoids completely.
I feel great adhering to my A secretor lifestyle!!  

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I for sure feel this affect - but no all avoids do that to me!
Being a secretor I have the "luck"?  that I´ve got tier 2 avoids and I do not seem to have a physical problems/reactions with these... but I try (and try) to stay away from avoids in general.
I do find that my body reacts most violent to te red falg avoids... no wonder there !

I  have a feeling that nonnies a "punished" more severe than healthy secretors- when they "sin"...

I noticed that my othervise healthy O sec daughter-  gets ezema every time she do milk and yoghurt - BUT she gets no reactions to cream and fatty cheese- so she is allowed to sin in the weekend.


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Hi Zola,

At this point I wouldn't even consider eating any avoids.  The fleeting bliss of Ben & Jerry's ice cream would soon be forgotten in a few hours when my body was in "rebellion mode".

I really enjoy how making good food choices results in feeling good.  It's been quite empowering!


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Yes...a greater sensitivity to avoids now.  Unless I don't know I am eating them (which is not likely to happen if I can help it) I don't eat any avoids anymore.  It is not worth it.  Like you say Mitchie...the bliss of eating Ben & Jerry's ice cream (or whatever) would soon be forgotten in a few hours (most times it is within minutes for me) when my body was in "rebellion mode".  It also can take days for it to be gone from my body.  Just ain't going there anymore.

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Definitely avoids bother me more dramatically as a btd'er. A good example is, sometime in the first few weeks of compliance when I was a newbie, I was eating a "compliant" bowl of something - I forget what - that had a lot of pasta/spaghetti sauce involved. As I ate, my face started sweating and I started post-nasal-dripping like crazy and started getting a sore throat. I knew it had to be something in that bowl, and I got the spaghetti sauce jar and read the label...one of the first ingredients was corn syrup!! I had already known for years corn syrup bothered me, but here was a pronounced effect. Lesson learned!
One of the good things about avoids bothering you more is you can actually tell which ones are bothering you, and the symptoms they cause. Imagine my surprise when I learned the connection between oatmeal/granola and my elbow tendonitis!!
Yes, avoids actually help the lessons move from "book learning" to body experience, and we benefit alot from the experience.


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and yeeesssss rrooostersisss you are soooo right ...congratulation for this deep insight ... nor do I with any café since Octobre


I think the toughiest is, to go around the temptations like white chocs, ice cream etc....
but when no more interest is there...nothing will happen

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Quoted from Henriette_Bsec

I noticed that my othervise healthy O sec daughter-  gets ezema every time she do milk and yoghurt - BUT she gets no reactions to cream and fatty cheese- so she is allowed to sin in the weekend.


I have always noticed that milk in, say, coffee or tea would bother the heck out of me, whereas the same amount of cream or half+half would not.  Pre btd that was a great puzzle.
Sienna is so cute!



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I'm going to be the dissenter and say this isn't true for me.  

I've been on the BTD for 5 years now and for many of those years, this was the case.  However, in the last year or so I have been working hard at improving my liver, kidneys, digestion (detoxification) and using quality probiotics diligently to improve my handling of sugars (including fruit, etc).  

I used to feel awful after eating avoids, especially the next morning, but in the last 6 months I have found that I am actually able to get away with the odd avoid when I have to (birthday parties, dinner out, etc) with far less impact!  I have to specify that I nearly never eat wheat, though.  Usually the avoids I have are potatoes, dairy, or sugar.  I used to use Deflect, but it only works on lectins (so not sugar, dairy) and I found that I did not notice a difference when using it with avoids.  What I've used it for instead is as a regular supplement to heal.  Perhaps I should try it with avoids again sometime.


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One more thing - since September I have been working with my intern at the school clinic using homeopathy and auricular medicine and these things have had an incredible impact on my health too and I suspect this has a lot to do with the change in my reaction to avoids.  

My skin is clearer and healthier than it has been since high school, I have far fewer cramps during my period, and many other issues have been resolved or improved.  I only got so far on my own, even after years of compliance, research, and self-treatment.  I plan to write a blog about all this when I have time!


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The timing of this thread is SO appropriate!  This just happened to me last night!!! Don't know what I was thinking, but I messed up and had a piece of banana nut bread and WHAM!  It didn't even dawn on me until after I ate it that bananas are an avoid for me.  A half an hour later I was in agony for the rest of the evening with cramps & diarrhea!  I was sick to my stomach the rest of the night.  Man, what a lesson!  


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bananna bread eh? me likey. yea the 2 killer foods for me is rice and wheat. mayby cause im an animal at the dinner table i have to much rice (even though brown) i feel like my stomach wants to explode.
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Before BTD, when I lived on avoids, my body had settled into a low-grade chronic state of discomfort and slowly declining health.  I did not notice any immediate reaction from foods since most of what I ate was hurting my health (even though it was organic, natural and unrefined!)

After a few years on the BTD, the healing of my body has progressed in stages, sometimes with a flare-up of an old chronic condition that doesn't even seem to be related to what I eat (since I don't eat avoids anymore).  But I have noticed that many of the Infrequent Neutrals are not good for me at all, and if I eat them two or three days in a row, I feel as if I'm coming down with the flu.

A couple of weeks ago, I was at a friend's party with the only compliant protein for me being Quiche, baked into a wheat crust.  I ate a small piece, without the crust, but there was evidently some flour that floated up into the egg, because I felt like I had the flu for about 4 days.  So I call that instant sensitivity!

One of our members described it on another thread like this:
Her body is saying, "Oh, so NOW you want me to communicate with you when the food you eat isn't good for me?  Ok, you asked for it!"  (I'm paraphrasing)



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I think the BTD helps you to become more in tune with your body thereby being more apt to listen to the messages it sends.  Before BTD, I never paid much attention to what my body was trying to tell me.  Definitely a positive as far as I'm concerned!  



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Since starting on this diet over one year ago I have healed in many areas.  I no longer get colds like I use to and my sinuses have cleared up and healed quite a bit.  There is still more healing to do since I went so downhill from drugs and antibiotics on top of a bad diet.

When I eat an avoid, if it is a crucial one like wheat, I feel drugged and stuffed up the next day.  Chicken I haven't noticed any affect but sugar makes me quite ill immediately.  Corn tires my body.  Yes, it's great to be more in tune with myself and looking forward to continual healing on this new way of eating.

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I've only been at this since Jan so I have a long way to go, but I have made good progress and it sure feels grt.

I get in more trouble bc I don't like to waste food. It's usually something I bought for DH or left over from company.
My demon this week was boxed pudding made with soy milk and Bananas and Whipped cream.
So stupid - I know I'm extremely sensative to chemicals. That was Thurs. - it's Sunday now and I'm still recovering.

When I do react and get sinus pain I remind myself that I was in pain constantly befor.

For me the time of day I'm most likely to blow it  is just befor bed.  I have to eat something or I wake with a headache. I just need to plan ahead.

Whimsical - It's good to hear that things will get better.
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I talked an O friend into trying the BTD.  She was on it for a week when she ate a piece of chocolate cake---I think it was her first real avoid that week.  Within a matter of an hour she felt her face swelling and her brain fogging and her stomach hurting.  I saw her again today and asked her, chuckling, how long it took her to work through that cake.  She said,  "Well, the problem is, I ate another piece of it after I got home.  Then the next day I had a migraine.  It took me several days to work through that cake."  She healed that much in a week, so that she couldn't even eat cake anymore.  Now she's convinced that something's really happening in her body.

I have developed sensitivities to avoids too, things that didn't used to bother me.  But what really gets me are the neutrals that I can't eat now, peppers specifically.  As a non-secreter, they're supposed to be neutral.  But since being on the BTD, I found that peppers and potatoes were the very foods causing my acne and terrible cysts all over my upper body from the age of about 10 till I went on the diet.  But the problem is with peppers---I don't have to ingest them to react.  All I have to do is touch one or, I found out recently, inhale it as it's cooking, to react as if I'd eaten it.  That's scary.  Pepper oils?  And this last reaction I have no idea where it came from.  Maybe my hand brushed my husband's Tobasco jar in the fridge as I was reaching for the peanut butter.  Yikes.  

And here's a question about Deflect.  Before, when I took Deflect as soon as my skin started breaking out after an pepper exposure, it would all go away and be okay within in about two weeks (normally my skin would look leperous for about 2 months or longer until it worked its way out).  But now, it's like it quit working or something and it's taking months again for it to go away.  My husband suggested I quit taking the Deflect for a week or so then begin again.  Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?


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My experience has been that I was more sensitive for a long while to avoids and then I wasn't as sensitive (sort-of like Kate/Whimsical above).  I think it's because I eat less of the avoids.


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Ribbit,
How about trying a generous short term (a couple of days) dose of licorice root and quercetin the next time you have an outbreak.  It is very effective with other acute allergic reactions, such as poison ivy (oak), or insect bites and stings.



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Absolutement, Zola!
Whimsical, I'm looking forward to reading your blog on the topic.

I've noticed that as long as I am focusing on beneficials and neutrals, then I may occasionally have beef (an avoid for ABs) without any problems whatsoever. However, the worst avoids for me are black pepper, fresh/preserved/dried chiles and vinegar. I practically go into anaphylactic shock these days. My throat constricts suddenly and I feel like I am choking. Just like Ribbit, I only need to catch a whiff of the offender. It's a shock to me because I never used to have problems with these foods at all. I'm experimenting with re-introducing tiny amounts so that I am not caught out in public where my spluttering would probably mean coughing my meal across the table....um, it has happened. Fortunately, my dinner guest was English. Beyond the mildest, most fleeting look of surprise, she behaved as if nothing untoward had happened....then again, if you have 'dined' on English food....um, sorry to my UK mates....but that was my excuse, at the time.


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Madame eh, I know I am not nice by laughing  onto that subject but just the picture in my head to see you *caughing your meal across the table * just toooo funny fo my imagination ...
and be assured, nothing abnormal in that behaviour (meant from yours )

but you know, my biggest wish at this time is: to go into one of the best and expensivest reataurants,
equal of what nature or country and behaving like rats ...just miss piggy should be the préname ......of this omG...I know that I am a bit   ....but I think would pee into my pants ;)

                                                     
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you cannot take me out anywhere, Isa...oh, the stories I can dine out on...
you would laugh your head off...


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Great thread.  I took my mother and her aide out to lunch on Saturday to a Pizzeria Uno.  I ordered a hamburger on a plate with lettuce and mozzarella and a side of smashed cauliflower.  I don't know what was in the cauliflower (I know better. I should have asked ahead of time).  It knocked the heck out of me.  I was supposed to meet some friends for dinner but I felt so lousy I stayed home.  I hadn't had cauliflower for a long time.  I'm pretty sure it's an O secretor neutral.
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Hey Jane, Guess what?

Cauliflower is a Tier one avoid for both O secretors and nonnies.  Tier one is the worst avoids and the best beneficials.



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eh,
perhaps testing your subtype would be interesting.....
you could be an A1B or an A2B.....


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