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funkymuse
Monday, March 12, 2007, 4:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I remember reading on this forum about a time line during which adrenal glands heal and recoup.  I think it was between 9pm and 11pm or something ???

At any rate... We've been going to bed between 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm for the last year and sleeping well (unless we had music gigs); with the help of Musclease (with Valerine); and now I need to change my schedule.  

My husband and I are going to slowly stay up 1/2 hour later each evening until we reach a routine of midnight to 8am, due to our performance schedule (he plays guitar and bass and I sing).  We need to change because when we do stay out late performing, we are sorely beat up for two days just from the sleep deprivation and cannot sleep in due to our established routine.

We are going to stay up until 9:30 for a few days... then till 10 pm for a few days, then till 10:30 for a few days, etc., etc.

I am hoping that my adrenals will adjust to the new routine if we take it slow like this... I really would appreciate comments about this as I don't want to exhaust my adrenals again just because I change my sleep schedule.

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I don't know if the body will adapt to this schedule as far as creating a new time for adrenal healing.  It's from 10 pm until 1 am, I believe.  I have wondered about people who work night shifts.  If your body doesn't have a chance to be asleep and allow the adrenals to recover during that critical period, your adrenals think another day has arrived and they peak their hormone output a second time.  Thus you are aging two days instead of one, as far as the adrenals are concerned.

I have found that it makes a difference for me whether I go to sleep at 10 or at 11.  Even if I stay up until 11, I begin to show adrenal fatigue again.  Good luck to you on this situation.  It can be difficult when your work requires you to adapt a certain schedule that may conflict with your health.



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"It is important to go to sleep by 10 p.m. every night because our adrenal glands kick in for a "second wind" to keep us going from 11 pm to 1 am. This puts tremendous stress on the adrenals. When we rest early, our adrenals are fully rested and the high gear is avoided. Between 10 p.m. and 1 a.m., our adrenals work the hardest to repair the body. We should also try to sleep in until 8:30 a.m. or 9: 00 a.m. if possible. This is because our cortisol level rises to its peak from 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. in order to wake us up and get us going for the day. "
Quoted from Dr Lam............. Bear in mind this is for someone who usually rises by 6 AM I think, because FWIU, our cortisol is at it's morning highest 2 hours after we arise.
It might be in the A/F book, it mentions that between 7 and 9 AM is THE best time for healing of the adrenals. Even if we get up and go back to bed (which I personally wouldnt recommend and I dont think he is either really), there is something 'magical', I believe he called it, about the time of morning for adrenal healing.
If we get up too soon, as in before our adrenals are really kickin in, they have to work extra hard to get us up to the level we should be, putting further stress on them.
LF, have you checked out the other Adrenal Threads?
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1167170022
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1170725642




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I wonder if it's possible to retrain the adrenal glands? Meaning, what about all those people who don't have a 9-5 job? I used to work 5p - 1am; I guess I was lucky that I was young?

I try to be in bed by 10:30p at the latest. Usually I can fall right to sleep, or withing a few minutes of getting into bed, and I used to get up with the sun at 6:30a before DST, but now it's closer to 7am.


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I wonder if it's possible to retrain the adrenal glands? Meaning, what about all those people who don't have a 9-5 job? .


I wonder about this too and I sorta kinda think we might be able to. But I think it'd have to be over a long period of time and consistent times. The reason I say that is, when I was getting up at 4AM, it seemed like around 9 or 9:30, I'd get my 2nd wind. Very consistent w/ what it would be if I were getting up at 6 - then they would kick in around 11.       Time frames are the same, but I had been doing that 4AM thing for 5 yrs or longer. Would love to know the real truth on this. Maybe God will pop in and let us know.  



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wow, this is soooo interesting & I have ordered the 'fatigue'  book.  I have noticed in my young son who has Autistic spectrum disorder  - he's  3 now ---    that each summer  his body seems to  work with daylight. he literally  sleeps only when it is dark outside. its noticeable again this year  as we have gone on to  BST  here for the last couple of weeks in the UK  which means that it increasingly gets darker later in the evenings until June  (midsummers eve/summer solstice)  Im thinking about purchasing a special blackout blind   so that he gets enough rest, interestingly he does not seem over tired during the day & during the winter months he is ready for bed at 6.30pm & doesnt wake until 8.30 - 9am.

I feel less tired too during the summer & always have done too  so is there something hidden in our internal bodyclock wiring that makes us respond to our daylight environment - I bet there is.


cant wait to read  the book!!!!

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wow, this is soooo interesting & I have ordered the 'fatigue'  book.  Im thinking about purchasing a special blackout blind  


Rachel, the A/F (adrenal fatigue) book is very good. I've suggested for Dr. D to write one on the adrenals. I think it is a hot topic.
I just bought some navy material ( I held it up at the store to be sure you couldnt see thru it) and hemmed the edges and velcroed it up to my windows. At night, I literally cannot see my hand in front of my face. I sleep very well.  
Speaking of "internal bodyclock wiring" and sleeping, have you read Lights Out.
You'd LOVE that book!! http://www.amazon.com/Lights-Out-Sleep-Sugar-Survival/dp/0671038680



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Yes an blood type AF book would be grt. Life can be so stressful - I think AF is at the bottom of many health issues.

My personal copy of the AF bk is finally in. Just in time bc Library copy is due.

The things I'm doing that I feel are helping me are:
More sleep and learn to chill out. Salt is back in my diet and Vit C mid afternoon.
(my vit C has Larch in it)

How do I find out if there are any Natural health Dr/therapest in my area?   Someone who respects the BT diet.
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Italy....your wish is my order

but how do you make it when mister Balin has to go to pee, without light? Arent' you risking him to
loose in the darkness

hmmmm what I remarked is, no problems for me to stay a bit longer........but when I've to get up between 4 and 5 in the morning...my hole day will be ......get problems with my tension and feel lousy.....

about lights out....a no-no for me....have always 3 little lightballs on burning..... in case I've to go to....
and then I can sleep if not....can't sleep at all
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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
but how do you make it when mister Balin has to go to pee, without light? Arent' you risking him to loose in the darkness


Mister Floppy Ee-uh is in a crate at night, covered w/ the same dark material that I have on my windows. He sleeps for 8 or 9 hours as well. At a stretch. No problem hee-uh  

Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
about lights out....a no-no for me....have always 3 little lightballs on burning..... in case I've to go to.... and then I can sleep if not.... can't sleep at all


I have my cell phone w/ me at night. That way if I have to get up to tinkees, I can use the light from it. It's all I need really and honestly Isa, I sleep like a rock. Thanks again to resting for the gem of a book!!!!  



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Purlgirl,
If you go the home page, you'll find a link on the left to BTD practitioners.
Good luck!
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I've had good luck with cutting out the nightly bathroom runs by taking the chinese herbal formula Rehmania Six.  It is a kidney yin formula and by using daily for 3 weeks out of each month, I no longer get up in the night.  Amazing!
It's sold at health food stores under the Plum Flower label.  Or you can buy it mail order from Dragonherbs.com



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I've had good luck with cutting out the nightly bathroom runs by taking the chinese herbal formula Rehmannia Six.  It is a kidney yin formula and by using daily for 3 weeks out of each month, I no longer get up in the night.  Amazing!
It's sold at health food stores under the Plum Flower label.  Or you can buy it mail order from Dragonherbs.com


Hi Victoria, that's interesting about the 'nightly bathroom runs'...do you think that would work for men?
Re females...do you think this is an age thing? I have this 'theory' that it can also become a 'habit'. I found that if I wake at eg. 3am, one night...the next night - there I am again...awake wanting the bathroom. The only way I've found to break it, is to not let myself get up. So I turn over and go back to sleep...of course if you were bursting to go, this wouldn't work But I then find that I'm not awake during the night for quite a while.
Having said this, for me, I've been under a lot of stress recently and that has surely disturbed my sleep and the pattern of waking had become well established once again. Thankfully, I'm just managing to get out of it again.
I think my adrenals have just been through the floor because last week I just wanted to sleep and sleep and sleep. I thought it was readjusting to the time difference...but Spain is only one hour different to the UK. No, it was pure exhaustion.
Hopefully now things will somehow start to go back to 'normal'


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Hi Janet,

Rehmania 6 is recommended for both sexes.  I think that men have to urinate more often than women anyway, but don't quote me on that until one of our scientific minds confirms this conjecture!

I agree with you on the habit thing.  That's part of what is keeping me in bed now;  I don't allow myself to just jump out of bed since I woke up anyway.  Often I think that it is the digestion process in my intestines that puts temporary pressure on my bladder and makes me feel like it is full.  Usually if I change positions and go back to sleep, the sensation leaves.



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Rehmania 6 is recommended for both sexes.


Is it okay for all blood types? I would love not to have to get up at night. I don't always but alot of the time I do     Interesting product.  



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Rehmannia is recommended in the Encyclopedia to be especially beneficial for type B's and O's.  My opinion is that just because a supplement is recommended for a specific type does not necessarily mean that it is contra-indicated for the other types unless specifically indicated by the Doc.  It is on p. 575 in the Encyclopedia, for those of you who have the book.

Just a point of interest:
Rehmannia is a Yin Jing tonic in chinese medicine.  Adrenal fatigue has been linked to a deficiency of jing.  The adrenals are connected to the kidneys and rehmannia is called the Kidney's own Food in TCM.  When the Jing is replenished (basic life force), the kidney/adrenal system is strengthened and nourished.



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Rehmannia is recommended in the Encyclopedia to be especially beneficial for type B's and O's.
Just a point of interest:
Rehmannia is a Yin Jing tonic in chinese medicine.  Adrenal fatigue has been linked to a deficiency of jing.  The adrenals are connected to the kidneys and rehmannia is called the Kidney's own Food in TCM.  When the Jing is replenished (basic life force), the kidney/adrenal system is strengthened and nourished.


I know you're not a doc but , do you think I could take this w/ my heart meds? Yes, meds.    Will post on the weekly chat re: same.  I would love to take some rehmannia if it will help my adrenals because I really do 'blame' them for my heart issues.  




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I can't see any way rehmannia could hurt you.  What specifically is your heart condition?



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I can't see any way rehmannia could hurt you.  What specifically is your heart condition?


Left ventricle is only ejecting (pumping) at 40% and there is also an electrical defect to deal with. They put me on 3 meds on Tues. Not a happy camper about that but will have to deal w/ it for now. He said he wants to do the meds for 6 mths and take it from there. If the rehmannia won't interfere w/ the meds, I'd love to take it. Guess I need to take all this info to my NP and see what he thinks.  



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The NP consult is a good idea, Italy.  Please talk with him about TienChi (Pseudo-ginseng) also.  It is a fantastic chinese herb used for all types of heart insufficiencies.  You could even research it a bit yourself on the internet so you have some idea of how to talk about it.

And read up on hawthorne too.

Just because you have a heart situation does not mean that it won't benef from a wholistic approach.



If your NP is not familiar with chinese medicine, you may not get much help on these herbs.  I am so sold on chinese herbs that I hope you can find someone who is in the know, who can help you in this direction.



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A little question....


Do any of you with adrenal issues have any experience with glandular supplements? Are there pros/cons to taking adrenal glandulars? I apologize if this was discussed on an earlier thread. I read through some of the earlier threads but only got as far as some of the links that Pat posted... !! But thanks for those Pat... they were very informative!!

I have a stress supp that I have taken in the past that seems pretty B friendly... has ginseng and licorice in it and as my blood pressure has dipped a little lately (sure sign for me of adrenal stress in the past) I think the licorice will be ok but I wonder about the bovine glandular in it.

thanks so much!!


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Kristen,
When I first started addressing my adrenal fatigue a few months ago, I took herbs as well as adrenal/spleen glandulars.  I seemed to improve steadily, and was getting in bed earlier also.  When I ran out of the glandulars, I did not buy more, and I do notice that there is somewhat of a return of my fatigue, although not as bad as it used to be.  When I can afford it, I will pick up some more (the best brand I can find at my HFS) and give them another try.  I have mixed feelings about them, but somehow, they seem to help for some conditions.



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Right now the only supplement I take for my adrenal fatigue problem is Adrenal Cortex Glandular (that source is the best price I have found for the one I use). It is prescribed by my doctor.

I take 1-3 capsules in the morning after breakfast and after lunch around 2pm.

I can tell a significant difference when taking it versus when I run out or skip it.


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Ok... that is good to know. I have always wondered about the efficacy of glandular products, yet they seemed to have worked for me in the past.


Thanks Victoria and MoDon!!!



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Left ventricle is only ejecting (pumping) at 40% and there is also an electrical defect to deal with. They put me on 3 meds on Tues. Not a happy camper about that but will have to deal w/ it for now. He said he wants to do the meds for 6 mths and take it from there. If the rehmannia won't interfere w/ the meds, I'd love to take it. Guess I need to take all this info to my NP and see what he thinks.  


IB are you having episodes of atrial fibrillation?  If you are please do look/read the forum of http://www.yourhealthbase.com  .

I suffer with afib unless I take great care to balance my sodium and potassium levels [and more] but if these 2 particular minerals are out of balance I also need to get up to the bathroom during the night.  When they're balanced I can stay in bed from midnight til 8am.
Hawthorn seems to help some and make afib worse for others.  I tried the sip right tea for A's which includes hawthorn and didn't feel it was right for my heart.

This thread is particularly interesting as my sleeping hours have changed since the increased daylight - my winter lethargy is lifting - and I'm getting to sleep earlier and getting up earlier.


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