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OK, I know that I am probably being a baby but I just found out that I am a non-secretor . From my reading I guess that I am going to have to be even more careful and may explain why, in spite of being 90% faithful to the new way of eating I have actually been gaining weight. I also have discovered that when I eat wheat in any form I get a funny smell of burning (no, I do not nor have I ever smoked and am not exposed to smoke of any kind). Does anyone else out there ever have that sort of thing happen to them? My husband made some beef tips tonight and I started getting that smell right in the middle of eating. I thought 'How strange, I am not eating wheat', but when I went to check the tips package, lo and behold, not only did they have wheat in them but also soy sauce and a few other things I am not supposed to be eating. Now I am stuck with this smell at least for several hours .
 Is being a non-secretor genetic? Now I am going to have to review everything and rethink strategies. I do know that I will have to give up black tea (sigh), so will have to learn to like green tea. Also no more sugar but I seem to recall Stevia is back on the menu (but of course I am going to make sure of that).
 If this is genetic the implications for my sister are even more dire.

 By the way, has anyone heard of the mangosteen fruit? It is supposed to be a powerful antioxidant but I can't find anything in Dr. D's books on it. I am thinking of
trying it.

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it might act as a MAO (monoamine oxidase)  depressant
which for O's is not advised.
check for stress reducing sups and herbs designed for Bs instead.......
the different protocols like nerve health
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/23.html
or anti stress
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/5.html
chose compliant herbs to balance you mentally as well as stress reducing lifestyle, exercises....etc


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Would it have the same effect on B's?
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By the way, has anyone heard of the mangosteen fruit? It is supposed to be a powerful antioxidant but I can't find anything in Dr. D's books on it. I am thinking of trying it.


Mangosteen has not been rated; therefore, it's neutral.  

As always, make sure your body and digestive system does not have any adverse reactions to it when trying new or untested foods.

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 Is being a non-secretor genetic?
 If this is genetic the implications for my sister are even more dire.

Yes, the secretor function is a part of the genetic code passed on by the parents.  From what I've read, the Non is the recessive, which means that both parents needed to supply the Non allele for you to be Non-secretor.  I'm not sure that this means anything for your sister, other than she has the possibility of being a Nonnie as well, or having one of each allele...  I've read that when you have one of each, the body can tend toward the Nonnie in likes and portion frequencies...


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Welcome to the club K1024!!   That's a very odd result you get from eating wheat.  But, at least you recognize it.  My nose gets stuffy whenever wheat sneaks in on me.  Stevia is okay for us B nonnies. I carry Stevia packets when I go out.  Otherwise I like to use agave nectar as a sweetner at home.  There is less of an aftertaste.

Anyway, at least you can enjoy tomatoes again!


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I also have discovered that when I eat wheat in any form I get a funny smell of burning (no, I do not nor have I ever smoked and am not exposed to smoke of any kind). Does anyone else out there ever have that sort of thing happen to them?


Oh my goodness! You are the first person I have come across that gets that burning smell besides me! I don't get it from wheat (although I'm not certain about that), but it usually comes up for me when my candida is flaring up. My ears start to itch, too. The smell is awful; sometimes I wake up in the night thinking the house is on fire. Congrats on pinpointing it for yourself.


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k1204...welcome to the royal nonnie club.  Yeah...it is a bit of a shock when you aren't expecting it, isn't it.  Ah well...at least you know now.    Once you get your head wrapped around it everything is fine.  

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Another b nonnie!    You're going to be fine.  In fact, now that you know, and will adjust your diet accordingly, your health will have a chance to really shine!!  



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Drea !!! I am so excited that someone else gets that smell besides me (though of course I am very sorry that you suffer with it too). It is soooooooo disturbing to me and I have often asked my husband what is burning. YUK! I was beginning to think that I must be a little nuts but the smell is real. At least now I have begun to understand what causes it, and that is definitely more incentive to stay off wheat. I just can't stand it! I did do the spit test for candida and that was instantly positive. What, besides avoiding sugar (which I now have to give up anyway) can I do for that? (Please don't say I have to give up fruit.) If I focus on the super beneficials and other beneficials will that help?

 Linda, I was very excited to see that I can have tomatoes again, as well as pumpkin (both of which I love to grow in my garden). YEAH! I was also happy to be able to use Stevia (of course I had thrown all of mine away), but are there any ingredients in the powder form we can't have? Also, do you use the agave nectar the same way as sugar?  Do you get that from wholesomesweeteners.com? I went there briefly but didn't see the price, but I was in a hurry. Honey still appears to be a use infrequent neutral..am I reading that correctly?

 My question about the genetics is significant because my sister has lethal midline granuloma. My mother is B+, my father is O+, so I am assuming my sister is B as well. She also has MS, so is in pretty bad shape. Interestingly my mother had told me that she gets a bad reaction when she drinks tea and coffee. Since that is on our list of avoids I am guessing she must be a nonnie as well. I am reviewing with her what she should be doing.

 Just a question - would you folks advise me to wait on the mangosteen until I am completely compliant with the diet?

 Thanks for all of the input!
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I would wait on the mangosteen.  My B hubby is finding that the ginseng does really help him though, so you might want to try that.  B hubby does very well on sardines, so you may want to definitely start eating those if you don't already.  Eggs too, as well as good quality yogurt.
Welcome to the throes of nonniehood.  It takes getting used to, but it just means you are an extra special minority!  I am both left-handed and a nonnie!  A real odd-ball!
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Thanks Tina! Sardines, hmmm... aren't they usually packed in oil we can't have? I already have yogurt daily and just found a recipe to make it myself, so will be adding even more if I manage to make it right. Eggs I am working on (I worked many years ago on an egg picking farm and have had a love - hate relationship with eggs ever since), but now that I can have tomatoes again I might be able to whip up a nice omelet. What does your hubby use ginseng for?
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even if mangosteen has not been rated, I would be cautious in considering it a neutral.......

focus on the herbs that are right for your type, instead.

Schisandra/Wu-Wei-Zi (Schizandra chinensis)
or ginseng as mentioned above......


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what a joy....another nonnie came to earth here
I am joining my roostersis Debra, a very warm welcome in our royal nonnieclub privé may them warming up your heart
truly yours Tmta. I.
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Drea !!! I am so excited that someone else gets that smell besides me (though of course I am very sorry that you suffer with it too). It is soooooooo disturbing to me and I have often asked my husband what is burning. YUK! I was beginning to think that I must be a little nuts but the smell is real. At least now I have begun to understand what causes it, and that is definitely more incentive to stay off wheat. I just can't stand it! I did do the spit test for candida and that was instantly positive. What, besides avoiding sugar (which I now have to give up anyway) can I do for that? (Please don't say I have to give up fruit.) If I focus on the super beneficials and other beneficials will that help?


I wish I had the secret to beating candida. I was in denial that I even had it again, but no longer. I just bought some more CandidaStat, which helped me before.

"Each vegetarian suitable capsule includes: Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopheryl succinate) - Calcium (as calcium caprylate), Caprylic acid (as calcium caprylate) Garlic extract (allicin), Oregon grape root extract (4:1), Oregon grape root, Milk thistle extract (80% Silymarin), Lactobacillus acidophilus, Grapefruit seed & pulp extract (50% Citracidal ®)."


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I did do the spit test for candida and that was instantly positive. What, besides avoiding sugar (which I now have to give up anyway) can I do for that? (Please don't say I have to give up fruit.) If I focus on the super beneficials and other beneficials will that help?

If you have candida you will probably need to give up fruit, all sugars/sweeteners, and only use minimal grains and starchy vegetables at least for awhile, and maybe a long time. Do you have any mercury dental fillings?

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Honey still appears to be a use infrequent neutral..am I reading that correctly?

Yes

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My question about the genetics is significant because my sister has lethal midline granuloma. My mother is B+, my father is O+, so I am assuming my sister is B as well. She also has MS, so is in pretty bad shape. Interestingly my mother had told me that she gets a bad reaction when she drinks tea and coffee. Since that is on our list of avoids I am guessing she must be a nonnie as well. I am reviewing with her what she should be doing.

Your sister could be type O as well, unless you know for sure that your mother is BB and not Bo. I don't think the tea and coffee reaction means much. For instance, they are avoids for all type Os. The only way to know for sure is to test her blood type and then her secretor status.


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Sardines, hmmm... aren't they usually packed in oil we can't have?

You can get 'em packed in water, too.




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Or packed in olive oil.


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You might want to read this thread: What Kind Of Sardines Do You Use?


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No mercury dental fillings, in fact no cavitiy at all until I hit 40. (I have the white filling in that one) However, at one time I was diagnosed with mercury toxicity, cause unknown, by a chiropractor and was treated with something to force it out of the system.
 I will look into the Candidastat. I would really like to avoid giving up fruit if I can help it. Grains not so much of a problem, I'm down to minimal now anyhow. When I did the Atkins Diet I felt so terrible (of course I was eating a lot of chicken), but when I added fruit back in I felt better.
 Does anyone know where you can get pure olive oil in packets without other added oils? I had gone to a restaurant and asked for olive oil for my salad, the packet had an avoid oil in it as well as the olive. Very disappointing!
 Don't know if my mother is BB or Bo. Guess I better type my sister myself. (always wanted to play nurse anyhow)
 Thanks for the thread on sardines. They are not my favorite thing to eat (I usually like them with crackers), but would be a good thing in a pinch.
One other silly question - what would make a person crave salt? Sometimes I feel like I will go nuts until I get some salt. I used to eat popcorn (sigh), then switched to cheddar (double sigh), but will find something soon I'm sure.
 I had some tomato for lunch today with mozzarella and oregano. I had forgotten how much I missed that. Not everything is bad about being a nonnie!
 

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 One other thing I thought of. Has anyone tried Dr. D's bars (blueberry or chocolate) I was just wondering if they are edible (sorry no offense meant but you know how some of these things can taste like I'm sure ). I was thinking they would be another option for a protein fix in a pinch.
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Try toasted Lundberg brand rice cakes as a substitute for popcorn.

Here are the only source of olive oil packets that I am aware of: LaSpagnola® Olive Oil 1/2 oz packet 100% Extra Virgin Olive Oil


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One other silly question - what would make a person crave salt? Sometimes I feel like I will go nuts until I get some salt.


I crave salt when I need iodine.  I use tincture of iodine rubbed on the skin of thigh or abdomen.  Rub on about a 3"circle or square, if it is gone within 24 hours, you need to apply more.  If, after 24 hours, iodine is still visible, you have enough.  It is both a test and treatment in one pass!


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My B hubby really likes the blueberry almond unibars.  He takes ginseng for stress-related issues with work, etc, and for more energy.  It seems to both calm and energize him as well.  It helps his brain to function more clearly under pressure, I think too.

I love the protein bars too.  And yes, sardines in olive oil or water are very good.  Even with lemon flavor and cayenne as well.
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 Do you get tincture of iodine at a pharmacy?

 Thanks for the input on the bars. Years ago there were bars for B's that were molasses flavored - I love molasses but sure didn't like those bars! I will try the blueberry. The protein bars - are they the chocolate or are both protein?

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Back to the rice cakes for popcorn idea:

I want to suggest that you lightly toast your rice cakes, and while they are still warm, spread them with ghee and then liberally sprinkle nutritional yeast on them.  It is a fantastic "salty" type snack which satisfies the popcorn need and gives protein and B vitamins in addition.



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I will try the blueberry. The protein bars - are they the chocolate or are both protein?


Both flavors of the Unibars are protein and/or meal replacement bars suitable for each ABO blood group:
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP051S
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP050S

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Victoria - thanks for the great idea! That actually sounds pretty good. I assume toast in the toaster? Do you have to watch them carefully? They are so light and puffy I wonder if they burn quickly. I will get some yeast this weekend and try it.
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Yes, you need to watch the rice cakes, and don't let them get brown.  They just need to be in the toaster or toaster oven long enough to bring out the flavor and get nice and crisp.



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... aren't they usually packed in oil we can't have?...


You can get them packed in Olive Oil...Unfortunately for me, most of the Olive Oil tins of fish here in UK seem to be Skinned AND De-Boned rather than Whole. Not only do they not contain all the vital nutrients - they don't taste as good either.


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I crave salt when I need iodine.  I use tincture of iodine rubbed on the skin of thigh or abdomen.  Rub on about a 3"circle or square, if it is gone within 24 hours, you need to apply more.  If, after 24 hours, iodine is still visible, you have enough.  It is both a test and treatment in one pass!



This means that your adrenals may be out of whack.  You can do a cleanse and then some food testing to see what you are eating that is causing you to have strong cravings.
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