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italybound
Saturday, January 27, 2007, 8:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from janet
Poly...maybe the real truth is that we actually 'enjoy' what we are eating....that's what makes it sooo hard    


I'd say you have a good point here Janet.
It's funny because there are some things I just won't eat, others I can 'justify just this once'.   Really, it comes down to how compliant we want to be, how good we want to feel and how much willpower we have. I know, I know, the willpower should come w/ wanting to feel good. Just takes longer for some..........
When I was growing up we ate ALOT of pasta and grains. There were 6 kids and not alot of money to go around, so grain was cheap. We also had a lot of vitamins, our only saving grace IMHO. As an adult, I continued my awful eating habits. There are still some things that make me go  .  I do try to avoid them tho.
Re: how avoids make you feel once you've been clean. I can attest to the fact that avoids hit you harder once you've detoxed and been 100% compliant. After 3 mths, I lost my mind and ate carbboard pizza, not one night but 2. We were in the middle of remodeling, it was late, pizza was easy. By the 2nd morning after, every part of me felt like I was going to die. My eyeballs even hurt, felt like they had sand in them and burned.
Sometimes it's a long road.............



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''about foods that did not make either of those two criteria''.......

I believe those foods are the ones I have totally forgotten about!!!

'' out of sight, out of mind''.....


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Alia Vo
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Quoted from lola
why should every get together be about food, anyways?


In our Western society, eating and socialization go hand-in-hand.  I feel socialization should be about people and relationships; I have often had thoughts where the focus would shift away from  food.

Alia


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Peppermint Twist
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You  might be interested to know that the GTD doesn't have 'avoids'. Only 'superb choices' and 'better choices'.

One can draw their own conclusions about foods that did not make either of those two criteria.


Hmmmm...interesting.  To be honest, this worries me a little.  Maybe it is because I've been on ER4YT/BTD since the dawn of time and I am very used to the "Beneficial, Neutral, Avoid" model.  I find it supremely and elegantly complete and simple to practice.  I find the further-refined model in the "health series" of books even better.  These models are complete because they tell us which foods act like medicines/tonics for us, which are just simply foods that add variety to our diet and nutrition, and which act more like poison to us.  The thing that makes me nervous about the above-described new model in the GTD is that is won't tell us the latter, namely, which foods the individual would really do best to steer entirely clear of.

That said, what I like about it is, it takes away a lot of guilt and self-flagellation if there are no avoids.  ...Still, to be honest, I have come to learn through the BTD that, for me anyway, there are certain foods (WHEAT!) that really should be completely avoided.  This doesn't mean, in actual practice, that one NEVER, EVER, EVER eats wheat--not in this society, anyway--but just that one is made aware that that is the ideal and thus one understands that, if one does eat some wheat and then feel poorly in some way afterwards, there is a connection.

Knowing what your "avoids" are is power!  Recently, I've come to understand that focusing on beneficials is at least as important as avoiding avoids, yet I still think knowing what your avoids are is important.

What does everyone else think on this?


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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well, yes, your point is good, but as Dr.D says if a food is not a superb choice or a better choice...it is up to the imagination as to what kind of choice it is....and I think we will get used to this new way...the advantage of which is the lack of negative labeling (which can turn some people off)......subtle genius, that is what I thinkk!
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Yes, it is great to focus on the positive of what we should be eating, what is good for us to eat, versus what we should not be eating.  Yet by leaving avoids unlabeled as such, I was worrying that people--using O's as an example--might think that a handful of sunflower seeds was as bad as wheat.  But I thought about it and, even now, there is no differentiating between "avoid" and "SERIOUSLY, avoid this at all costs" *lol*.  So I guess that the new way will be better, because it does AC-centuate the positive, E-liminate the negative, and latch on to the affirmative, don't mess with Mr. In-Between!

Okay, put me down in the "I'm for it" column.  Not that we get a vote anyway, apparently it is a done deal *lol*!


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P.S.  Further musing:  Uh oh...an avoid-free world...think of the possibilities for bad little O nonnies like moi...MUAH!  Muah ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I might go WILD, people.  ...Then again, I'm coming off a recent wildness bender anyway and I knew darn good and well what my avoids were.  So go figure.  Maybe if the guilt factor were taken out of the equation, it could only help?

Yup, put me down as an "on board".  This is really growing on me.  In all seriousness, I really like how it has a totally positive emphasis.


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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You  might be interested to know that the GTD doesn't have 'avoids'. Only 'superb choices' and 'better choices'.

One can draw their own conclusions about foods that did not make either of those two criteria.


This gives people more ownership of their own health to make choices that suit their own individual needs/concerns/goals.  

The BTD is all about individuality; I forsee that the GTD will be an incessant to this lifestyle.

Alia


Alia A. Vo
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