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Lola
Wednesday, January 3, 2007, 11:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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It seems like the hormones are hanging about too long in the body, and so you are not
metabolising them.  My guess is you have some sort of Thyroid autoimmune condition and your symptoms of 'adrenal fatigue' is really a case of the thyroid slowly degrading.  I would take oral iodine with the addition of l-selenimethione Selenium, Vit d and zinc (no more than 10 mg) this should help kick it into gear to metabolise those hormones


Thanks!  But the selenium and iodine might make my thyroid even more active?  The last thing I want is for my thyroid to get any more over-active!

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No offense to anyone posting in this thread, but in your situation I wouldn't follow advice obtained from anyone who had not examined me.  I think in your situation you should find a new (great) doctor rather than continue to try things that may make your issues worse.  In fact, if I were you, I would stop taking EVERYTHING, stick to the BTD diet, exercise gently (to avoid exacerbating the possible adrenal issues), and make sure to get lots of sleep and rest.

Get the tests that you want done and do your own research on adrenal fatigue.  It's too bad you live in NYC (no naturopathic regulation), but perhaps you can do a phone consult with Dr. D (not sure what this costs) or even pop up to see him in Conneticut?


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No offense to anyone posting in this thread, but in your situation I wouldn't follow advice obtained from anyone who had not examined me.  I think in your situation you should find a new (great) doctor rather than continue to try things that may make your issues worse.  In fact, if I were you, I would stop taking EVERYTHING, stick to the BTD diet, exercise gently (to avoid exacerbating the possible adrenal issues), and make sure to get lots of sleep and rest.


That's basically what I am doing.

No money for more doctors right now.   And the doctors in my health insurance network are just ridiculous.

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Thanks Debra.  I've been drinking a lot of dandelion tea.  I guess instinctively I knew it was a good idea.  I think I may start taking spinning classes at the gym, which means I'll need to renew my gym membership.   The only good thing about this is that my breasts are now HUGE.  I think I'm like a 36 DD.  On New Years Eve I squeezed myself into one of the little size 6 dresses that *used* to fit me fine pre-dhea and it was so tight that my breasts actually burst out three times during the evening.  The guy sitting along from me at the bar got quite an eyeful.  ROFLMAO!!!

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Me too!!!      But with you...not at you.

And I am with Whimsical on the visit to see Dr. D.  You are sooooo close.

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Thanks!  But the selenium and iodine might make my thyroid even more active?  The last thing I want is for my thyroid to get any more over-active!



First I agree with Kate,

Second, your thyroid is overactive because it is not doing it's job correctly, these supps would help it do it's job correctly




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My guess is you have some sort of Thyroid autoimmune condition and your symptoms of 'adrenal fatigue' is really a case of the thyroid slowly degrading.  


From what I understand, a thyroid condition is a symptom of adrenal problems. If this be correct, the adrenals should be addressed, if not first, at least with the thyroid. What were the results of your hormone panel? If I remember correctly, on another thread, it seems someone said the 'number' at which healthy thyroid results should be, has changed. I know I questioned my NP when he looked at my DH's. I still think his are low even tho they're in range. BTW, ATO, if you don't know,  , just because a blood test result is in range, doesn't mean it's ok. If it's at the high or low end of the range, it usually means you're heading for a problem.
I kind of agree w/ Whimsical when she suggests to stop everything but BTD (and maybe some Vit C - can't see how that would hurt) and find a new NP who knows what he's doing and not second guess. It would be one thing to try something new if you hadn't had SUCH a reaction to the DHEA.  I've heard that is not something you should try to  do on your own and apparently, this 'dr', did no better.  
I feel for ya about the weight. I've put on some weight w/ my adrenal problem and it is very upsetting. However, I know it can be undone, so gotta keep my chin up.    Yours can be undone as well   I'll keep mine up if you keep yours up.  



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Thanks Italybound

You know, the one time my adrenals seemed to be working great and I felt GREAT was about 9 months ago when I was doing a combination of the Zone Diet and the BTD.  It worked so great and I felt like a million bucks!
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Lola, Thanks.

The second link was particularly interesting as pertaining to the original topic of this thread.
The therapeutic properties of 7-Keto DHEA are very similar to those of DHEA. The primary difference between 7-Keto DHEA and regular DHEA is that the anabolic properties of DHEA are maximized while the androgenic effects (which are problematic) are minimized with 7-Keto DHEA. There are also claims that 7-Keto DHEA is more potent in terms of therapeutic effects compared to regular DHEA:

It definitely appears that ATO's body was very receptive to the maximized anabolic effect of the 7-Keto DHEA.


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PLEASE send a picture!  I know it is a challenge for you to deal with this, and I only saw the (lovely) dog before, but I would really love to see what happened.  Is this how those lady body builders really make it happen?  Seriously, very good luck with this--I'm sure it will all fade away eventually.  If you are having thyroid problems, it is amazing this stuff could override it.  
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yes Don, found this very interesting also......had no idea!!!
biochemistry sure is a complex matter!!


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Quoted from lola
biochemistry sure is a complex matter!!


No kidding!!!  

ATO, mentioned your situation to my NP today, he says DHEA taken at the wrong stage of adrenal healing can actually have the opposite effect. I really hope you can find someone who really KNOWS what they are doing. I don't think I'd be brave enough to try dosing myself DHEA. It'd me my luck I'd gain another 10 or 15 lbs.
My heart is w/ ya girl.  




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I would suggest a product called Moducare which helps the body produce Dhea more effortlessly and naturally...very safe and good for adrenal fatigue


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