connect, What is your age? Just wondering if you are perimenopausal.
Going off bc pills can upset the emotions too, so don't be too alarmed if you don't feel immediately yourself. Herbs such as Vitex (Chastetree) can help with hormonal-based depression, and Motherwort is also very calming to emotional storms brought on by hormones or monthly cycles.
As others have said, St. Johnswort is a specific for blood type A, but must be taken daily for a while before results are seen. It is not a fast acting herb. Daily for a couple of weeks should really reduce depression.
Rhodiola, on the other hand, is fast acting. It will stabilize your energy and combat depression. It is especially good for O's, but is not contra-indicated for us other blood types. I like it very much, and don't have to take it daily.
Bach Flower Remedies are homeopathic relief for emotional imbalances.
For depression: Gentian Mustard Gorse
and for difficulty during transitions: Walnut
and for feeling stuck, unable to get up and get things done: Hornbeam
Click HERE for more info on the Bach remedies. Then click on each single remedy to read more about it. Don't hesitate to ask if you need more info on how to use them.
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Connect, when do you eat? Dr. D. says that for A's to loose weight it is not so much what you eat but when you eat. For A the King, Prince, Pauper (breakfast, lunch, dinner) applies more then for any other bloodtype. It is something I have noticed. If I eat a normal dinner at night I will almost immediately gain weight, or at least not loose any. If I stick to small meals (and I mean really small meals) at night I do loose weight.
Just a thought.
Oh and another thing. With all the exercising you probably built up some muscle eventhough you've been working in the fatburning zone. Maybe trying more yoga and less "heavy" exercising will help. Cut the fitness to twice a week and start yoga or tai chi (or both) for 2 days a week.
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I actually went into to perimenopause not too long after my 5th child, which was after I turned 30 (5 years ago). Women are actually starting earlier. I recommend reading Dr. Christine Northrup her books women's wisdom and women's bodies and her menopause book are very good. temper those books with Dr. D's and you should be fine. As far as weight, more bene's, less neutrals and no avoids. your body will adjust and the weight go when it is appropriate.
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Interesting. Thanks for the information. Both of my doctor's believe that I have not ended Perimenopause yet, based on many factors.. My doctor's opinion of the disturbance in my cycle is that my HPA axis was basically shut down due to highly stressful events that occured in my life over the past two years. This, in addition to the radical changes in my diet and exercise patterns, she believes just got my body out of tune and only needs some minor readjustments. Last year was, by far, the most stressful of my life. One traumatic event after another occurred, and I would not be surprised if, indeed, the Hypothalamic functions just shut down.
Victoria what I observed with Rhodiola was, that it works really best for O's....but it might be-that they become tired and a feeling likewise *lazyness* or similar to it.....and not at all for depressions but anger management.....
I am very new to this diet and this forum. I also do not own the book, just borrowed it from the library, so do not have access to what an "A" needs since I am an "O". I do, however, feel I can offer a "maybe" to the depression problem. During the high protien, low carb diet fad, depression became a very big problem, especially for women. Perhaps you reduced your grains to much. I know for "O" there is no beneficial grains, but since clinical depression runs in my family, I still comsume neutral ones. Perhaps you eliminated to much to suddenly.
Also, omega oils have been proven to help with depression (it is the omega type fat that your brain uses to communicate with itself and the body), as well as help your body to rid itself of bad fat. Basically, if you remove all the fat from your diet, your body will not be as capable to rid itself of the bad fats, and you will not be able to loose weight. Studies have shown that by adding good fats back into a diet, the folks actually began to loose weight again. Reading the posts, I did not notice omega oils being mentioned as to weather you are consuming them or not and in what amounts.
And......... if your depression has a physical cause, removing all the "I's" from your vocabulary will not make you feel better. Though you definatly don't want to fall into a pity party, lots of clinically depressed people do not feel they can put the "I" into describing what is going on because they don't believe they deserve to (getting back to your statement "I am having trouble fighting through it enough to get out of bed to be of service") since the fatique, ect. often makes them feel "selfish" causing them to be even more depressed. It is good you are seeking help and advice.
I know this is probably a lousy way to introduce myself to the forum. This is a topic near to my heart (since, as previously stated, it runs in my family) and upon reading the posts, noticed that these thing were not mentioned. Hope you find this helpful, Sandy O
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I've been dealing with depression for awhile, have it under control due to medication. I learned in a depression mgmt. class that you should do the opposite of what you feel like doing. Believe me it works. You have to push yourself, but you'll feel much better for it. It's amazing how much better i feel when i just go out and be among people, even if they are strangers. Depression makes you feel like isolating yourself.
What Mickey says is so true. I'm battling a bit of a reactive depression right now and the thing really is to FORCE yourself (and I know it is hard--they don't call it depression for nothing, it is REAL and it is PARALYZING) to do SOMETHING, take an action, forget about the things you can't control and the things that maybe you could do something about but are too overwhelming to you for some reason, and focus on the little things (or big things) that you CAN do. Even something as simple as putting in a load of laundry or vacuuming the house can make you feel so much better, more empowered, less overwhelmed, etc. Also, exercise, it just can't be stated enough how important this is (although, Connect, it does sound like you definitely do get enough exercise, so that is great).
I am a big afficionado of fish for depression, those omega 3's are where it's at, baby. Eat salmon, salmon, SALMON and probably take a high-quality omega 3 capsule as well for a while at least.
The supplement CoQ10 is very helpful for energizing your cells and revitalization.
It sounds like you are trying very hard to do everything you can do to counteract this depression in a holistic way and I'm impressed with that. Hang in there. Like I said, I have a bit of one going now myself and even a mild one is hard to fight. Because depression makes you feel so paralyzed and like just getting into a fetal position and staying there. I've had a tough time with that the past few weekends. But I've been at least MAKING myself do a few things, even though I never feel like what I do is enough and that is part of my depression, I'm just so overwhelmed and feel like, geez, nothing is ever enough with the house in particular, it just stays overwhelming no matter what I do! So why do anything? But getting back to what I quoted at the beginning of this post, when you feel like that, that is the exact time to do SOMETHING anyway! Anything, no matter how small. Last night, I swept the front sidewalk and walkway to my house for the first time in a while and it felt really good to do so. Just a little thing but it helped me feel more in control, energized, and empowered! (edited to add: btw, yardwork in general is EXCELLENT as an antidepressant, I find. It has been so terribly hot here, though, that I can't really go on a yardwork marathon, but even a little here and there is a tonic--if the heat doesn't kill me.)
Finally, just hang in there. A hormone imbalance is so difficult, it is like fighting against the ocean current or something, and the current is always stronger than you. But if you work with it instead of fighting against it, you'll float and not drown. Hopefully you can do what you need to do with customized diet, targetted supplements and proper exercise, and stress reducing techniques such as yoga, to get that current in balance. It's tough, though, and I commend you for your good effort so far. Hang in there!!!
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Moving in and of itself is stressful and being in a new place can make you feel isolated. It sounds like you have a lot going on. Being under stress myself this past few months I know that sometimes all you want to do is nothing....There are times when I just want to go home and plop down in front of the TV and eat chocolate or cookies. Whether it's chemical or whatever, just taking some kind of action is the first step. I'm an O and I personally find that Catechol (Rhodiola) is a big help. Since you are an A, I'd try the St. John's Wort and see if it elevates your mood. It's great that you can talk about it. Sometimes that's a great first step. Jane
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paulssandy, welcome!) thanks for sharing your opinion on depression and omegas, etc. great advice! get acquainted with the forum and all features of this website. If you go to the top of the page and click on member centre (on the top right hand side of this page) and get yourself a nice avatar (located on the left) then we can all see what blood type you are and you won't have to type it each time you post. -if you want to add information below your avatar setting, such as Rh +/-, by going to the Profile Information section in the Member Center and typing in the Personal Message box. You can also create a Signature of any other information you want to share that will go at the bottom of every message you post. -You can also create a Signature of any other information you want to share that will go at the bottom of every message you post. ..
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... if your depression has a physical cause, removing all the "I's" from your vocabulary will not make you feel better. Though you definatly don't want to fall into a pity party ...
Very well put, Sandy. I struggled with an "emotional" problem (chronic panic) for seven years before I discovered, quite by accident, that it was actually caused by sensitivities to mercury (in my fillings) and the odorizer that's added to natural gas. During that seven years, I learned some coping techniques that were a great help -- but they didn't cure the problem.
Most problems, whether they seem to be emotional or physical, have components of both. So it's best to deal with any problem on both fronts.
I took a chance (and I'm taking one now, with you): connect is superbly gifted in how lucid and 'up-front' she is. I was attempting to give her a cyber-hug because I suspected she needed someone to say: 'Hey connect I believe in YOU .... so like it or not, I'll be here ... for you!'
Any advice - BTD-wise; psychology-wise, etc. is of secondary importance IMHO ... and it may be sage or it may be all wrong but at least she understands that she's not alone! If she can still connect (as her moniker says), she will grow .... its when we are fixated on words like 'depressed' '..... then we see no other avenue. The word of a friend carries much weight!
If connect wishes my presence (my love) to help as we both grow - she has it.
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connect14, please don't feel the need to apologize about posting a thread for personal help. People post for that all the time and this forum is for all types of requests, inquiries, help, etc. All types, thus Little Fishes, even. It's now been 2 days since your last post, so hope you are getting some relief. I had a similar experience last Oct/Nov. I was diagnosed Clincally Depressed. That in itself made me even more depressed. The fact that the dr did NOTHING but try to ply me w/ medicine really irked me, to put it mildly. I wanted him to run some blood tests to see where hormones, etc, stood. He refused. He is no longer my doctor. Instead of the meds, I went home got STRICT w/ taking my adrenal supps and also got STRICT w/ BTD again. I too, at that time, was about 80-85% compliant. Within a week, I was fine. Some people just need a higher compliancy to feel good - me being one. Maybe you as well.
You said all your blood tests came back normal. By whose standards? Doctors ONLY look at whether your test is "in range". Even if the range is 25-50 and your result was 26, they consider your result to be fine. Not true. Being that low (or on the other end, at the high end of the range), indicates a problem. Just one example: This happened to me w/ my iron once. Just as I gave the example. Dr said I was fine, tho I was so tired I could barely function. Took my BT results to my chiro. One look, he said I needed iron and folic acid. (there was another issue also, which the chiro quickly resolved and the med dr overlooked - not surprising0 Took recommended dosages for recommended length of time and was all better. I always get my BT results faxed to me and look them over myself. I usually have my chiro look at them as well. I absolutely DO NOT trust doctors to be a good judge of how "great" my blood work is. Sad but true. You say your blood tests for adrenals came out okay. Here is prob part of your problem. I seem to remember later in this thread, you said they only took one cortisol level. Problem one w/ doctors!! This needs to be done at least 3 times throughout the day and 4 is better. My SIL has adrenal problems and she wanted to get tested. I advised the same as above and lo and behold, the dr did one "test". Just irritating!! And I think the SIL forgot to mention the 4 times thing. I had also mentioned to her saliva testing would be better but she did the BT and IMHO, it was all for naught. My NP told me 2 years ago, blood tests should not be the "deciding" factor in adrenal problems. Symptoms should be. Please check out the symptoms: Signs and Symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue
* Tendency to gain weight and unable to loose it, especially around the waist. * High frequency of getting the flu and other respiratory diseases and these symptoms tend to last longer than usual. * Tendency to tremble when under pressure. * Reduced sex drive. * Lightheaded when rising from a laying down position. * Unable to remember things. * Lack of energy in the mornings and also in the afternoon between 3 to 5 pm. * Feel better suddenly for a brief period after a meal. * Often feel tired betweeen 9 - 10 pm, but resist going to bed. * Need coffee or stimulants to get going in the morning. * Crave for salty, fatty, and high protein food such as meat and cheese. * Increase symptoms of PMS for women; period are heavy and then stop, or almost stopped on the 4th day, only to start flow again on the 5th or 6th day. * Pain in the upper back or neck with no apparent reasons . * Feels better when stress is relieved, such as on a vacation. * Difficulties in getting up in the morning * Lightheaded
Other signs and symptoms include:
* Mild depression * Food and or inhalant allergies * Lethargy and lack of energy * Increased effort to perform daily tasks * Decreased ability to handle stress * Dry and thin skin * Hypoglycemia * Low Body Temperature * Nervousness * Palpitation * Unexplained hair loss * Alternating constipation and diarrhea * Dyspepsia
Mickey's suggestion of : "Be realistic, don't make a "to do list" of 10 things that you know you will not be able to complete in a day, make a list of a few things that you know are doable and feel good at the end of the day that you accomplished your list.", is great! It's easy in this hectic society we live, to have ourselves overwhelmed w/ the things we "need" to do. I feel this way all the time. I feel I have SO many things that need to be done..........where to start??!!!!! Trying to be realistic in expectations of ourselves is really helpful. I tend to want to be "Superwoman" I guess and be able to do all, fix all. Bad result of growing up in a very abusive household.
paulssandy, great first post!!! The mention of Omega3 is a great thought!! Welcome to the forums and BTD!!!!
connect14, your comment: "My doctor's opinion of the disturbance in my cycle is that my HPA axis was basically shut down due to highly stressful events that occured in my life over the past two years.", makes me wonder all the much more if your adrenals are a big part of your problem. Stress really works them over. I am taking an adrenal sup, B5, Vit C. My NP says some people need as much as 1000 mg a day to help. I can send you the info he sent me if you'd like. The adrenal supp I take is here: http://www.thekeycompany.com/cart_keycompany_list_detail.asp?ProductsAutoNum=18534&NavButton=03 It does list sorbitol as an ingredient, but it is no longer used. I've checked twice. It does have guar gum in it which is an avoid for all and as the 2nd ingred, not so good, but I bought a whole big bottle, so will use them but may switch back to these and adjust some other things :http://www.thekeycompany.com/cart_keycompany_list_detail.asp?ProductsAutoNum=18533&NavButton=03
If you want more info on this, please PM me. I can get you whatever info you need. Hope you'll be feeling super soon!!
I am here. I am here. Doing a bit better. Thank you for your warm regard.
Italybound: I appreciate all of the information. I will read the website more thoroughly. I take a hefty supply of B Vitamins, so hopefully this will help if my adrenals are a bit overwhelmed.
John: I cannot thank you enough for your previous comments. I completely agree with you regarding depression. Sometimes, we just need the gentle nudge of a friend to remind us to get out of ourselves. To remind us that our own problems, which can begin to seem horrific when left to our own devices, are merely bumps in the road of this thing we call life. In getting up and being of service, we not only begin to see the larger picture again, we also get to feel the beauty of what it means to help another. To connect. To not feel so isolated. The core of depression for most is that sense of aloneness. That sense of isolation. A million symptoms may be the things we complain about (weight, physical ailments, other people's behaviors, etc...) but I believe that the underlying cause of most depression is that existential aloneness. That feeling of being unequivocally isolated from the rest of the world. When someone reaches out to break through that, it is always a relief that seems to alleviate that depression somewhat.
The core of depression for most is that sense of aloneness. That sense of isolation. A million symptoms may be the things we complain about (weight, physical ailments, other people's behaviors, etc...) but I believe that the underlying cause of most depression is that existential aloneness. That feeling of being unequivocally isolated from the rest of the world. When someone reaches out to break through that, it is always a relief that seems to alleviate that depression somewhat.
I also believe this to be very true. When I was feeling very depressed, I was being very negelected by the DH.
I don't want my comments to be misleading: I do not believe in laying the blame for our moods and depressions on other people, nor do I believe they can "cure" us of them. That responsibility rests solely on our own shoulders. However, I do believe that other people can help us rise above ourselves by helping us understand that though we feel alone, we are very much human. We are often reminded of our own humanity when another reaches out and identifies with us in some way. Sometimes just that recognition alone is enough to take ourselves a little less seriously. That was the reasoning behind my original post. A hopeful step that might produce some type of response that would help me lighten up and laugh at myself a little.
I am certainly glad I posted, because I have gotten all of that and better!
I don't want my comments to be misleading: I do not believe in laying the blame for our moods and depressions on other people, nor do I believe they can "cure" us of them.
True, I didn't mean to lay the blame on my DH for my depression either. However, when 2 people are married, I believe there is a certain amount of commitment to "paying attention", shall we say, to them. This "paying attention" comes in all shapes and forms. For me anyway. For him it only comes in one. Anyone want guess what that is. .
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I've been dealing with depression since menopause -- which implies that my case, at least, has a hormonal basis. Fortunately, it responds very well to St. John's wort, so it's generally under control, but every now and then, I somehow end up taking too little SJW for one reason or another, and the symptoms sneak up on me again, so I've had some experience recognizing them.
There is definitely a correlation between how well Hubby treats me and how depressed I am -- in the sense that the worse I feel, the worse I think he's treating me. I'm NOT saying that it can't happen the other way. But in my case, the mistreatment and apathy are about 90% paranoia. (The other 10% is due to Hubby's frustration at having a wife who cries no matter what he does.) Then I adjust my dose of St. John's wort, and he miraculously shapes up. Happens every time!
The really scary part is how very real these phantom problems seem when I'm depressed. They come on gradually, which makes them that much harder to recognize for what they are. It always takes me quite a while to believe that the problem is really with my SJW intake.