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I try to not use these forums very often to discuss my own personal problems, but I fear that I have hit a point where I am slightly worried about myself.  I have become increasingly depressed over the past few months, and it has hit a point where I need to seek advice.  

I started BTD last October b/c I was having hormonal imbalance problems:  my periods were very spaced out and I was noticing a lot of edema, all over but specifically in the breast tissue area.  I also felt tired a lot and wanted to drop 5 to 10 pounds.  Within 2 weeks, I was 99% compliant.  Even though I am an A Secretor, I cut out wheat and corn b/c of the impurity of them and my desire to lose weight.  I dramatically cut my grain intake, as I realized this could be what was hindering my weight loss.  I also began taking a probiotic, a multivitamin, a B Complex, B6 and Magnesium.  I took liver cleansing herbs and performed a liver flush in the Spring.  

In January of this year, I started running and swimming.  I work out 5 times a week regularly.  Initially, I was working out too hard I believe.  Laura then taught me about Heart Rate Monitors, and in April, I slowed down my running and swimming and started working out in fat burning zone as opposed to sugar burning zone.

It is now August, and I must say...there has been no change.  My weight is at the exact same place it was when I started, despite a clean diet and exercise.  I do not overeat.  I am not as compliant now as I was when I first started; however, I am still about 80 to 85% compliant.  

About 3 months ago, I became so frustrated with my hormonal imbalance, I finally gave in and went on birth control at my MDs urging.  Yes, I know how horrible this is for me, but I was desperate and felt that a lot of my problems were being caused by hormone imbalance.  I thought if I could just get this imbalance corrected, things would straighten out.  I have been taking the birth control for 3 months now, and while it has straightened out my periods, my breasts have only gotten even more swollen than before.  This would make some women happy, but it makes me miserable.  

And this is where I am now.  Miserable.  I told my doctor I was going to stop the birth control, and she said that was fine.  That 3 months was probably enough to get my body kickstarted again.  So only a few more days of BC, then I'm done.  

Currently, I am tired all of the time.  I have not dropped any weight (not measured by numbers either:  measured by the way clothes fit).  All blood tests came back normal:  adrenals, insulin, etc....the doctor said I was in excellent health.  I currently take a multivitamin, a fish oil, B Complex, B6, Mag Citrate and a probiotic.  Nothing seems to make me feel better.  I am at stasis.  I cannot understand why I would see no change.  I basically went from eating a really high carb, avoid-filled diet to being strictly compliant.  Why would I not see a physical difference or FEEL a difference?  I would think I would feel better, more energetic.

I have fallen into a depression b/c nothing seems to affect the way I feel.  I don't notice any difference when I stop my supplements.  My desire to be compliant or to exercise is waning, because I am not seeing any results from doing so.  I find it odd that I have been consistently exercising and eating incredibly well for over 8 months with not the slightest change in either my physical appearance or my mental acuity.  I don't understand and I find myself slipping further down the downward spiral into sadness.  

Any help would be appreciated.    


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perhaps that exercise is not helping lower your stress levels, and you should consider focusing more on your nostril breathing techniques to lower your cortisol levels, etc......


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You say you had your adrenals checked but did you take four samples throughout the day? Check out his site http://www.diagnostechs.com/main.htm Sounds to me like your adrenals might be fatigued.
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Quoted from JK
You say you had your adrenals checked but did you take four samples throughout the day? Check out his site http://www.diagnostechs.com/main.htm Sounds to me like your adrenals might be fatigued.


Hi JK,

The blood test I did was a one shot deal.  It didn't measure cortisol, etc...over 24 hours.  Just once.  How does one make the adrenals healthy again, if it is indeed, adrenal fatigue?


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Hey connect,

it's time to be blunt here! (She and I have become good friends over the while and she CAN handle this ... connect is a wonder, hands-down!) ... review your post (above) and count the number of 'I's in it ... are there too many? .... perhaps focusing on someone in real need will help you stop navel-gazing ...........

John


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The one shot deals do not give a an accurate cortisol you need to do saliva samples. 4 time throughout the day and it will give an accurate reading. I did mine about two months ago. And it showed  normal to low fluctuating during the day between the two. I ahve fatigued adrenals. I am taking BT supps because they are the only clean supps I know of for someone who has the things I ahve to deal with.

I know about heart rate monitors. And by choice I ahve not used one and use my own body to tell me how it should feel. The thing is the formula used is the one-size fits all. It is not accurate, there is scientific data supporting 220-age=max HR. there are formulas otherwise with this in mind, I exercise to what I feel is right and gage it off of past experience. Let your body lead the way-if it feels better going hard one day go hard, then take it easy, and then you can ramp it up a little the next and repeat again.  My big problem is working around my kids schedulea as school is tarting again.

Good luck-don't give up.


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Hey connect,

it's time to be blunt here! (She and I have become good friends over the while and she CAN handle this ... connect is a wonder, hands-down!) ... review your post (above) and count the number of 'I's in it ... are there too many? .... perhaps focusing on someone in real need will help you stop navel-gazing ...........

John


My dear John,

As always, thank you for reminding me of my own forgotten principles.  You know I am a firm believer.....when you feel depressed, get out and help another.  When you hurt, the solution is to give.  It is all too easy to get wrapped up in one's self and forget the real suffering that exists in the world.

That said, the problem I find in following this very truth is the depression I feel seems to be a bit deeper than usual and, as such, I am having trouble fighting through it enough to get out of bed to be of service.  I promise I will try harder to put myself aside.  


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Hey connect!

Maybe you'd want to look into EFT: http://www.emofree.com

Maybe you block out what you really feel - maybe you don't want to feel good...? I don't know you as well as John, but sometimes our minds work in strange ways - and very often not vey logical!

EFT is a wonderful tool and easy to learn!

Good luck!


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3-4x 300mg's of St. Johnswort and instead of re-enforcing bad feelings...dearle...please take your complete attention and focus it to do something which is a pleasure for you- nothing more.....
you have to go outside of your turnarounds of insidelaberings with yourselve out..outgoing...outtathere feel huged dearle....
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I know you are right Isa.  I must get out of my own head and go out, out, out.  You and John both have now suggested that.  And the two of you know me best in our dear community here (you too Laura)....so I imagine I should take your wise advice.  I do have a tendency to get stuck in my own cognitive functioning.  I call it the hamster wheel.

I was considering taking St. John's Wort for a bit.  Just to get me back on my feet.  Would this be preferable to Rhodiola Isa?  


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I have two ideas for you, Connect:

1. For the depression, try St. John's Wort.  This herb is rated OK for A's.  Without it, I'm a puddle on the floor, but with it, I'm me again.  (Oops, I see Isa already suggested this, so I'll second it!)

2.  For hormone balance, try natural progesterone cream from the health-food store.  This is very different from the "progesterone" in your birth-control pills, which is not actually progesterone at all, but merely a similar molecule with much stronger effects, including many potential side effects.  Natural progesterone is much safer because it's the identical molecule to what your body makes, which can be a godsend for everything from PMS to menopause (I assume you're in there somewhere!).  I believe that this product literally saved my life.



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connectle I think...Rhodiola is furthemore bene as a stressmanager; St. Jowo. is merely for "*ç+ç7(0?^`=feelings but you will have the optimal effect only up from an intake of 2-3 weeks, that won't work that quick....thatswhy don't stop it just bing-bang but take it for some months and then you'll get stabilized betterrr and yup not only hamsterradle but if you try to focus your attention to something outwards of your own mind, that's the trick and it works good luck....
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connect14,

My wife (A) uses Evening Primrose oil supplements to help control the hormones.  She tried bot BC from the MD and natural progesterone cream from our nutritional practitioner, but both were too potent.  The EPO really helps her balance the system.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?158 - is the typebase information about it.

http://store.ourhealthcoop.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ep - is the source!

Hope this helps...


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you might want to check the protocol index.......
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm
anti stress, fatigue, menopause come to mind.....
the recommended sups per blood type can guide you in the right direction.


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Connect,

I've been dealing with depression for awhile, have it under control due to medication.  I learned in a depression mgmt. class that you should do the opposite of what you feel like doing.  Believe me it works.  You have to push yourself, but you'll feel much better for it.  It's amazing how much better i feel when i just go out and be among people, even if they are strangers.  Depression makes you feel like isolating yourself.

When you don't feel like exercising - exercise!, if you can only do alittle don't beat yourself up for what you can't do, reward yourself for what you can.

Be realistic, don't make a  "to do list" of 10 things that you know you will not be able to complete in a day, make a list of a few things that you know are doable and feel good at the end of the day that you accomplished your list.

Learning about cognitive behavior is an important step in learning how to manage your depression, search out books, info. about cognitive behavior.

I know when i was feeling depressed, everything seemed soo overwhelming and little problems turned into major problems.  Like your weight, 5-10 lbs. is not alot of weight, your health at this point (mental/general) is more important.  Once you get back to feeling better, you can then focus on your weight.  Like others have said stress may be halting your weight loss, depression can cause alot of stress.  So it's important to get your depression under control first.

Good Luck!
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Thanks for everyone's feedback.  It sounds like most of you feel that my lack of response to diet and exercise stem from stress and depression, as opposed to any serious physical ailment.  

I truly am grateful to have this community.  My day was made better from the various friends I have on this board.  


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Hey connect, I am just reading this thread now, and I have to say I agree with alot of what others say, I also think that the enviroment you are in affects you greatly just as much as you affect it, I'm trying to think how to put this and I am writing it here instead of directly to you because I think others get caught in the 'syndrome' I am about to discuss, it is something I have fought against too.  

You just moved, before you moved all I heard was 'I can't wait to get out of place A, place B will be so much better, everything will change in place b, I'll change, my enviroment will change, my health will change, things will be better, I'll be FREE.' this is not exactly what you said but it is what your words expressed.  Then the first thing I hear from you once you move to place B is 'I can't wait to get back in place A, it will be so much better'  This is you affecting your enviroment.  You saw a new place as a new way to be, and were depending on it to totally change you.  The unfortunate thing is that although a new place can offer a great opportunity to change, you are the one that has to do the work. Instead it seemed, the newness wore off and you realized you were back in your own destructive patterns, those patterns you were trying to escape from.

Does this make sense?



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It does make sense, and I do not disagree with you.  I thought of this today actually.  I recognize that one creates one's environment.  I do not long to go back to Place A at all, though I do miss the West Coast approach to health and well-being.  That was what I meant in my PM to you, not that I desired to return to LA.  This goes back to John's suggestion to get out and be of service.  Change my environment.

You are right:  you take yourself with you no matter where you go.  New cities and new places don't change who you are.  Where I do disagree with you; however, is in your thought that I assumed moving was a way to escape myself.  I do not believe in escapism, at all.  I believe in fully facing whatever may come my way with acceptance and grace.  Truth is always better, even when it is a bitter truth.  Perhaps that is what this post was about:  me calling myself out so that I could face it and move through it.  I consistently work hard to stay true to this, and as such, it is the only reason I feel compelled to contradict that particular part of your statement.  My move was necessitated by the desire to continue my education, not as a tool to avoid.  


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Connect,

I found that birth control pills made me suicidal, even different formulations had the same effect.

When I became menopausal I tried HRT at my docs suggestion and the same thing happened.

Doc said I needed a higher dose of oestogen, made me even worse.

Both lots of hormones made me feel wonderful and on top of the world for the first 7-10 days and then it was just as if I flipped right over and fell to the bottom of a black hole.

Without the knowledge of my younger days I wouldn't have known why I was so depressed on HRT.

Progesterone was my life saver, first as suppositories and now as cream.

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Connect,

I found that birth control pills made me suicidal, even different formulations had the same effect.

When I became menopausal I tried HRT at my docs suggestion and the same thing happened.

Doc said I needed a higher dose of oestogen, made me even worse.

Both lots of hormones made me feel wonderful and on top of the world for the first 7-10 days and then it was just as if I flipped right over and fell to the bottom of a black hole.

Without the knowledge of my younger days I wouldn't have known why I was so depressed on HRT.

Progesterone was my life saver, first as suppositories and now as cream.

Joyce


This is interesting Joyce.  I must admit that this feeling of "low" that I currently am at feels so out of place for me.  I do lean towards a certain melancholy by nature, but this that I feel now is not of that sort.  I am normally able to cognitively and spiritually traverse my own nature.  This feels differently, almost as if someone/something else is pulling the strings.  I do wonder if it the birth control.  I asked my mother the day other day whether she had ever taken birth control when she was younger, and she said that indeed she had.  She said that it made her incredibly depressed.  Tired all of the time.  And hungry all of the time.  She said all she wanted to do was sleep.  I didn't automatically attribute my symptoms to the birth control, because these are things that kind of creep up, but perhaps they are, indeed, linked.


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Aha!  It sounds like you have identified a likely suspect.  Why not hold off on trying any new supplements until you've been off of the BC for a while?  Otherwise, you might give the credit to your new thing, when the improvement was actually due to stopping the BC.

It wouldn't hurt to get out more, though.  That could help you while you're getting the BC out of your system.


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I told my doctor I was going to stop the birth control, and she said that was fine.  That 3 months was probably enough to get my body kickstarted again.  So only a few more days of BC, then I'm done.


Any particular reason that you can't stop the BC now?



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Hi Carol,

Today is my last pill.  I wanted to finish the pack, so as not to screw my hormones up anymore than they already were before the pill!  I woke up today feeling slightly better than yesterday.  I honestly believe that expressing myself and having advice from those whose opinion I value helps tremendously.  I woke up and did some work and went to the market.  

It's funny.  I was just reading your blog where you talk about how lethargic the heat and humidity have made you.  I moved to Austin, Texas this month from Los Angeles, and I must say, the heat is stifling!  It is hard to want to do much out of doors when it is 100 degrees!  

Thanks again for your kind advice.  I'll keep you posted.


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dear missa
I think the key lays here...no pilli will solve your thingies for a long time...but please do have an into the Enneagram too and get your eyes opened btw. don't say yes when your inner voice (belly) says no......don't be kind when your opinion says no; don't be whatsoever if you feel weak or sad or whatsoever...then live it but please not that longlasting repetitions, but try to take one of those marvelous options to come out of this affaire; how..... just letting go and no feelingsenforcements...
just recognition and good it is....when your mind and brain are said...all your organs are sad too-thatswhy probs with digestion etc...thatswhy perhaps better to begin to have an eye onto the psychosomatic interactions ...ja.....
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