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Secretor Do well with grains (29 votes)
38.16%
Non Secretor Do poorly with grains (19 votes)
25.00%
Secretor Do poorly with grains (18 votes)
23.68%
Non Secretor Do well with grains (10 votes)
13.16%
76 Votes Total Last vote Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:22pm by AggieAllie
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A+Baby
Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 3:39pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I do well with oatmeal, rice, and wheat.  I haven't done the secretor test yet (I know, I know, it's been over a month since I started this!!!), but I have found that these do not bother me.  Still having issues with cow's milk though.  I'm still in mourning over my milk (cow's milk).


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I forgot to explain my answer when I voted!
I do fine with grains. I don't like any of the avoids in the grain catergory.
Meat is my problem, if I look at any meat I gain 6 pounds.

That is my major avoid!  
But that is okay, I never really liked meat until I got pregnant & craved it. But, I have learned ways to cope with my cravings so I don't gain too much weight & stay healthy!  


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you are the perfect type A sec!!!



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Quoted from Bethysue
I forgot to explain my answer when I voted!
I do fine with grains. I don't like any of the avoids in the grain catergory.
Meat is my problem, if I look at any meat I gain 6 pounds.

That is my major avoid!  
But that is okay, I never really liked meat until I got pregnant & craved it. But, I have learned ways to cope with my cravings so I don't gain too much weight & stay healthy!  



I can't even remember the last time I had beef, and I'm talking about pre-BTD!!  I know I ate a chicken breast the other day, and it almost killed me!!!  It was kinda thick, too, so I might try looking for the wafer thin cuts of chicken or just hammer out the thick ones.  I don't eat meat too much, and if I do, it's chicken and only once a week.  If the thin cuts don't work out, I'm just gonna have to cut meat out all together.



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I do very poorly with grains. Wheat makes me bloated, and lethargic,  and causes my body to ache. Oatmeal and every other grain  that I've  tried leaves me with cravings that are so bad that I don't want to tell you the details.

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I do well with grains, provided I don't eat too much.  If I do, I know immediately because I swell up and get tired.  The right amount for me seems to be about 1 to 1.5 servings per day.  I normally don't end up eating nearly this amount, but I do well with it when I do.  I have drastically cut WAY back on grains, as I don't believe they have much nutritional value.  They do, however, keep me regular and this is a big plus.

Interestingly enough, I went low carb for a couple of months and didn't lose a single pound.  Not one.  I find this fascinating.


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Quoted from A+Baby
I'm still in mourning over my milk (cow's milk).



Try yogurt!  If you're not used to the taste, you might want to start with the fruity kind (just make sure it says "live cultures" on the label).  Once you've learned to enjoy the tangy flavor, you may enjoy it even without the training wheels.  (I sometimes sprinkle a little salt on plain yogurt for a "cottage cheese" flavor.)



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I do well with grains.  They help me feel full.  I don't do well with hungry.
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Quoted from connect14
I do well with grains, provided I don't eat too much.  If I do, I know immediately because I swell up and get tired.  The right amount for me seems to be about 1 to 1.5 servings per day.  I normally don't end up eating nearly this amount, but I do well with it when I do.  I have drastically cut WAY back on grains, as I don't believe they have much nutritional value.  They do, however, keep me regular and this is a big plus.
Interestingly enough, I went low carb for a couple of months and didn't lose a single pound.  Not one.  I find this fascinating.


Same for me Connect14, I do well on grains provided the HB'ones, like amaranth and buckwheat (in my fave porridge as breakfast..) As you 1 or 1,5 portion per day!  The moment I eat wheat, and I weigh myself the next day, 1 kilo plus   One day later on HBgrains again: 1 kilo gone

Anyway I need my HB grains and instead of speltbread as lunch I now take a salad with tuna or sardines and no bread!!  
Suits me perfect, my one portion grains a day..

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sorry i didnt vote,
you didnt make an option for those who dont know there sec status?

though I have been mostly following BTD for about 2 years now, I have found if I eat to much grains or wrong sorts I get sluggish, also I have gained 30 lbs back slowly in the last 2 years , I had previously done low carb diet and lost very much close to 60lbs, I fear that I am heading back to where I was by being on BTD.  but I dont blame BTD.

I feel I am eating more heathy, and my cholesterol levels are all good, got my thyroid levels checked though they are fine (according to dr's report) after reading symtoms of underative thyroid I find I have about 10 out of the 12 or 15 different symtoms.

I had read that doing a clense can reset the thyroid to perform properly, so I am curently trying that. and will see where that takes me.
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I do quite well with the HBs in the diabetes book - amaranth, rye, and rice. I do alright with spelt and eziekiel, in terms of not making me crave bad stuff or feel bad, but those don't help me lose weight (only maintain).

Wheat flour and I don't get along. It makes me bloated, ache, tired, and then I crave sugars all day long afterwards. (I was forced to eat at a restaurant where there were limited choices and had this lovely reminder recently of how bad, bad, bad it is for me!)

I found a rye bread with a sourdough starter that is absolutely heavenly - feels good, tastes good, and makes me happy.  

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though I have been mostly following BTD for about 2 years now, I have found if I eat to much grains or wrong sorts I get sluggish, also I have gained 30 lbs back slowly in the last 2 years , I had previously done low carb diet and lost very much close to 60lbs, I fear that I am heading back to where I was by being on BTD.  but I dont blame BTD.


This happened to me, too, before I found out my secretor status and realized I was chowing down on lots of avoids (I used to love sunflower seeds and corn products). Once I found out I was a non-secretor and stopped eating those things, over time, I lost 20lbs. And, yes, I also found out I have thyroid issues, too. (You might find the thyroid thread interesting.)
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i am almost positive i am a secretor and i do very well with grains. as long as i have them on a regular basis they dont trigger any binges and i find them very satisfying. i mostly eat rye, rice, and ezekiel, but occasionally eat other grains and have no problems.
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I have been grain free for a couple of months and just started eating them again.I do ok with buckwheat, had cereal and pancakes. Rice not so good. Forget wheat, I have one of the genes for celiac so I am taking no chances, I also had 5 intestinal infections due to my immune system being clobbered by gluten all these years. I am dying for some bread but also can't tolerate yeast. The only bread I would have is from Kinnickinick. Its really expensive to buy and ship.

Those are the only grains I have tried.

I have to say that I have terrible digestion, very slow. Even with betaine and enzymes. I tried adzuki beans and I have had a lot of bloating and gas. I did have it with chicken, I will have to try it just with veggies. I'll have to be strict with food combining.

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i wanted to add that when i deprive myself of grains i tend to binge on them...like i find that my body craves them. this is different from when i deprive myself of other things like beef; i never crave beef. in fact, i have found that when i deprive myself of cheese which i absolutely love, my body does not crave it. this is all different from grains, which my body craves more the more i deprive myself of it.

(im pretty sure i am a secretor)
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Quoted from longshot
i wanted to add that when i deprive myself of grains i tend to binge on them...like i find that my body craves them. this is different from when i deprive myself of other things like beef; i never crave beef. in fact, i have found that when i deprive myself of cheese which i absolutely love, my body does not crave it. this is all different from grains, which my body craves more the more i deprive myself of it.

(im pretty sure i am a secretor)



We must be twins b/c that is exactly how I am about grains.  



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I have a question.  What does it mean when you say that 3-5 servings of grains per week is recommended?  Does that mean one slice of bread 3-5 times per week?  Does that mean that even if you have 7 servings per week that you will only have grains at one meal?  I am just confused because that sounds like so little to me.  Whatever happened to the 9 servings per day on the food pyramid?
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ooo soo sorry to popp in here, I am only a half A but please forget any foodpyramids, they are all
manipulated by pharmalobies .....one diet has to fit all
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Quoted from Lyrica
I have a question.  What does it mean when you say that 3-5 servings of grains per week is recommended?  Does that mean one slice of bread 3-5 times per week?  Does that mean that even if you have 7 servings per week that you will only have grains at one meal?  I am just confused because that sounds like so little to me.  Whatever happened to the 9 servings per day on the food pyramid?


Some members (usually nonnies but not always) do better on reduced servings of grains.   Personally, I'm almost completely grain free, even though I'm a secretor and should be able to enjoy grain servings 5x a week. It's all about individuality on the BTD, and what works best with your personal, genetic profile.

The "one size fits all" food pyramid grain recommendations doesn't take into account the polymorphisms of blood type, and that the different blood types have digestive systems that are quite different from each other.


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I love to eat grains but have a hard time controlling the amount and then feel awful.  Bloated and constipated.  I've stopped making gain side dishes for myself - its just asking for trouble. (prepare sm amts for DH and  keep in freezer)  I have Rye and sprouted bread in the freezer for myself. I try to have no mor than 1 or 2 pc a day.

I watched a DVD by Gary Null  on Allergies. There were many Drs interview on the  program. I got it from the library - I'm back on the waiting list to get it again. One of the Drs said something about food we crave and tend to bing on being ones we are sensative or even allergic to.

Also that its impossible to  lose weight eating these foods.

Another interesting link to  digestive problems is the Intestinal Permeability or Leaky Gut Syndromes.  I bet a lot of us Nonnies have this problem.
  http://www.mdheal.org/leakygut.htm
Kind of technical but worth reading. I  got the feeling that once the condition is healed one might be able to eat sensative food again.      
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Quoted from purlgirl
I love to eat grains but have a hard time controlling the amount and then feel awful.  Bloated and constipated.  I've stopped making gain side dishes for myself - its just asking for trouble. (prepare sm amts for DH and  keep in freezer)  I have Rye and sprouted bread in the freezer for myself. I try to have no mor than 1 or 2 pc a day.   


'A' non-secretors do better results with decreased portion/frequency guidelines with grains; it is important to eliminate all wheat and corn based grain products.

Perhaps try pre-slicing your bread before you freeze it, then you can take out one portion per sitting.

ETA: One portion of Nature's Path rye manna is equivalent to two slices of Ezekiel 4:9 bread.

Alia


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I do so much better on a low amount of grains - i.e. 1 serving a day, and my grains must be HB - buckwheat, ezekeal bread, etc.  

I have Crohn's Disease and Lupus (also gluten intolerance) - I follow the Allergy book protocal and it is 7-9 servings/week so I stick close to that and the grains are eaten in whole grain form as much as possible (whole buckwheat cereal, amaranth, qunoa cereal, etc).  If I eat too many grains I pay for it with stiff joints or many bathroom trips and then bloating or the candida flares up.

I am a secretor who does better with a small amount of grain and more protein.  I make muffins out of almond meal (no other flour) and use them as my "grain" for when I get a grain craving - it hits the spot quite well - I am guessing it is the the high protein of the muffin.

Also I eat too much and the pounds just load on so fast it isn't funny.  So no spelt bread, etc. for me - I miss it though!!!
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I do so much better on a low amount of grains - i.e. 1 serving a day, and my grains must be HB - buckwheat, ezekeal bread, etc.


According to Typebase4, I believe Ezekiel 4:9 bread is presently considered neutral; LR and ER has it stated as beneficial.

Alia


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Hmmm... Ezekial bread is listed as a beneficial in the Allergy Series Book.  I don't think that those different breakdowns are all in typebase 4.  I have yet to see any of those specific changes in typebase 4 for Allergy - i.e. things that are different in the different Health Library book series (Allergies, Cardiovascular, Diabetes, Fatigue, Athritis, etc).  I have seen some of them for cancer and diabetes, but none for the Allergies Book.  Maybe I am wrong.....but I am going to go by the Allergy book since things are differently laid out, especially the changes for the super beneficial and beneficial items.  It is working for me with no problems.  

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i wanted to add that when i deprive myself of grains i tend to binge on them...like i find that my body craves them. this is different from when i deprive myself of other things like beef; i never crave beef. in fact, i have found that when i deprive myself of cheese which i absolutely love, my body does not crave it. this is all different from grains, which my body craves more the more i deprive myself of it.

(im pretty sure i am a secretor)



Actually this is because grains are addictive, they stimulate certain neurotransmitters in your brain, hence even more reason to reduce servings.  Also as someone mentioned earlier, addictions often equal allergies



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Hmmm... Ezekial bread is listed as a beneficial in the Allergy Series Book.  I don't think that those different breakdowns are all in typebase 4.  I have yet to see any of those specific changes in typebase 4 for Allergy - i.e. things that are different in the different Health Library book series (Allergies, Cardiovascular, Diabetes, Fatigue, Athritis, etc).  I have seen some of them for cancer and diabetes, but none for the Allergies Book.  Maybe I am wrong.....but I am going to go by the Allergy book since things are differently laid out, especially the changes for the super beneficial and beneficial items.  It is working for me with no problems.  


If you are following a Health Series Book, then I would pay attention to the food ratings, as well as, the portion/frequency guidelines from the specific book you are utilizing.  

Food values and portion/frequency guidelines vary from the ABO small pocket books, CR4YT, ER4YT, LR4YT, and the Health Series Books.

In general, I believe Typebase4 is for the food ratings from ER and LR for the general population that is following this lifestyle.

Alia


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