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I tend to understate my point of view because I know most people are suspicious of enthusiasms.
So, when asked, I say something really simple such as 'I'm avoiding nightshades because of the risk of arthritis'--even then you get a smart aleck saying ' no use doing that as a preventative, it only helps once you have arthritis' so when that happens I just shut up. But occasionally someone shows genuine interest then I tell them what I really think.
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I'm just thinking back to my initial impression of the BTD, which was based solely on reading the book title, Eat Right 4 Your Type.  That made about as much sense to me as "Eat Right for Your Hair Color," and the cutesy "4" in the title didn't help.  Later on, my nutritionist tried to get me interested, but she's something like an ExSJ and I'm an INTP, so even though we like and respect each other, we sure as heck don't understand each other!

What finally got me interested, several years later, was a brief comment in an email from a friend:  "I am trying  a diet regimen that determines what you may eat according to your blood type.  I can now lose weight without following the Atkins diet,  and can eat carbohydrates if they are on the list."

I had been trying to talk her out of the Atkins diet, so was quite relieved at this news.  I asked her a few questions about her diet, and she responded, but did not happen to mention her blood type.  Shortly after that, I happened to see a copy of ER4YT at my chiropractor's office and asked to borrow it, thinking it would be an interesting exercise to figure out my friend's blood type based on the foods she was avoiding, and ended up being utterly fascinated by the early chapters, which describe the rationale behind the diet.

Even though I couldn't gain weight if I tried (and believe me, I used to try!), I do have some nagging health problems which have defied all previous remedies, so I decided what the heck, I'll give it a try.  That was in October 2005.  So far, I have noticed some slight but definite improvements -- and considering the stress that I've been under during this time, I would expect to be feeling a lot worse than I used to, rather than somewhat better.

So I am cautiously optimistic about the BTD.  Also, I have heard good reports from a few more people whose opinions I trust, so I figure the BTD is clearly helpful to some people, even if I don't yet know for certain whether I will turn out to be one of them.

So [wow, she's finally getting to the point!] when I'm talking with people who have health or weight problems (and that's just about everybody, it seems), I often mention the BTD.  Most people just sort of nod politely, but a few have shown interest, and I suspect some of those may actually give it a try.  

My own era of skepticism (to put it mildly) is still recent enough that I am not inclined to either gush or push.  I know how silly the idea can sound at first.  But I figure if they hear about the BTD once from me, and then maybe later from other friends, they may eventually be curious enough to see how the diet works for them.


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For me it took years to be convinced!

Carol, I had the exact same reaction to ER4YT. "Eat right 4 you shoe size - yeah right...!" And the "4" in the title really didn't help...!

It's 4-5 years ago that I first heard of BTD at work. I work at a pharmacy - we're 2 pharmacists and 15 pharmaceutical technicians. One of my co-workers introduced us all at to the diet. She told us she lost weight without even trying and her allergies had gone. At that time I really wasn't into diets or anything, just like the rest of my work-buddies, so we all leafed through the book and checked out what we could have ("Blood type O - weee I can have beef and red wine!") and that was that. Mind you, at a pharmacy we're pretty much brain-washed with the official health- and diet recommendations. The BTD-co-worker later moved to work in another town, so I don't know if she's still on the BTD-wagon.

A little time later I was a homeopathic conference, and one of the speakers was going to talk over the subject: "Food for each blood type". I wispered to my father (also a pharmacist - now retired) who was sitting next to me: "Such rubbish - I've read about this - it's stupid!" Then the speaker came up, and I was mesmerized. The first seed of belief was planted in my mind. It didn't make me change my ways, though! No no!

Last year another co-worker - the young trainee - came up to me and said "No wonder you're doing great on Atkins! You're bloodtype O!" She lent me her ER4YT, and my last resistance fell away. I bought LR4YT and lent it to her, and now we're both actively discussing BTD at work. We gave another co-worker LR for Christmas, and in general we're the health-nuts at work.

It's great to have a RL-BTD-buddy. We can share our experiences and our frustrations. When customers come up to us and ask us what to do about various symptoms (runny nose, irritated colon etc.) where traditional methods haven't been working, we have to bite our tongues for not saying too much. We're not allowed to tell people ANYTHING that's not officially approved by the FDA! Talk about frustrating!!!


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if I had a hammer.... I'd hammered in the morning.... I'd hammered in the evening all over the times .....

I think that I tried this in ther earliest beginning of BTD... but then I felt that this is a inner process which must be agreed first.... if not.... no chance at all

and if I check that one tries to cheat or comes over with ..*yes...but*..... I am gone  rarely we might be able to convince somebody ....and even if they are nearely to death they cherrish their Egos'

                      *yes..... but*        

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. You don't have to buy the supplement Dr. D sells, you can just follow the program and buy your fresh veggies and fruit.


This is one of the points I make when speaking w/ anyone about BTD. I tell them I had all of my problems (seriously) go away w/ 100% compliance, food only, no supplements. I also tell them they are there to buy if they wish, however, no one will make money off someone else buying them. It's not an MLM scam.
I converted my mom, for a while, you know, until she felt better.  She was very very sick and has seen what good the BTD can do for her, but chooses to now eat what she wants again. Talk about wanting to pull your hair out!!
I also converted my sister-in-law. She said in 1 mth she felt better than she had in 5 yrs of the MD's regimen. She has since fallen off the wagon. The excuse is that she has celiac ataxia and between the restrictions of both diets, she can only have 3 foods. OMG!!! All I can say is,,,,,,, read between my lines.
My massage gal is slowly being converted.  She had already heard of it, but wants the book, so I'm going to get it for her in exchange for tips.
My girlfriend has tried most every diet there is I think but won't do the BTD because it's too restrictive!!  Again...........makes me want to pull my hair out.
My 2 sisters sort of follow it. One of them is who introduced me to it but then did nothing w/ it herself. She is a little better now, but..............as I have no room to talk at this point................
Yes, sometimes people look at me like I have 2 heads, sometimes not. My comeback is   "if people can  die from eating peanuts or shellfish if they are allergic, why would other foods not bother them or us?"   Just gives them something to think about.
My daughter sees some of the good too but has her heels dug firmly in that she's not going to do it. Even tho, her kids are pretty willing. A little encouragement and menu change from mom and walaaaa, all done. But.....................
My husband too sees the good, but not willing to give it all up. He has for the most part given up the tomatoes (he's A) and the Oreos.  He has been a big Oreo fan for as long as I've known him but agreed to give them up if I kept compliant cakes made. Which most of the time I do.
I've talked to my brother in law and sister in law. They seem interested, and I have loaned my LR book to them, but don't think they've really done anything w/ it. She has had a sinus infection for over 2 years.  Who out there votes THAT to be allergies,huh???????      She initially was looking into it for her son w/ ataxia, but as I mentioned, don't think they've done anything w/it.
 Many times when I'm at WF, I get a chance to plant a seed. I was talking to the Store Concierge, who gets paid JUST to go around and talk to people (GEEEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)  -  and he really is just that, I checked. Anyway, he and I were talking about the BTD too.  He has some info I want, so guess I'd better email him.
All we can do is plant the seed, hope someone else will water it and soon they will sprout into full fledged BTD'ers.  I know I will always eat this way to some degree of compliancy. Hopefully higher numbers than lower.



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Quoted from Poly

It's great to have a RL-BTD-buddy. We can share our experiences and our frustrations.


Yes, isn't it!  I don't see my friend very often (she lives in Japan now), but she now refers to me (via email) as her "diet accomplice."

She's an O, by the way, but we don't have to be on the same foods in order to provide moral support.  And there is quite a bit of overlap between A and O diets, so I'm looking forward to having her here for dinner next time she's in this country.


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I talk to people about BTD, oh, every single day.

Most show SOME degree of interest.  About a third show even greater interest. And then I watch the "blood typing kits" and the books sell out. (If I'm really BEHIND something, it MOVES.)

In fact, right now I have in my bag the Christmas present I bought in November for my hairdresser: ER4YT.  It seems that everytime I've been in there, in 2005 at least, she's been asking me about it, so finally I just went ahead and bought it for her.

I would say I've probably "converted" dozens of people, and I can't track the number, because this town is loaded with cab drivers and workers and clients and friends and their friends.... I tell plenty of them about it.

The key is, also: Do it in a visible way.  When you hand your hairdresser a copy of a bestselling hardcover book in the middle of the salon, every other hairdresser noses into it, and before you know it, the whole neighborhood is talking.

A couple of years ago, I gave it as a Christmas present to the host of the Christmas Eve dinner, about 18 guests, and had him OPEN IT in front of everybody.  So that led to about 20 minutes of talk about it...

Take it from there.

 


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The key is, also: Do it in a visible way.  When you hand your hairdresser a copy of a bestselling hardcover book in the middle of the salon, every other hairdresser noses into it, and before you know it, the whole neighborhood is talking.
A couple of years ago, I gave it as a Christmas present to the host of the Christmas Eve dinner, about 18 guests, and had him OPEN IT in front of everybody.  So that led to about 20 minutes of talk about it...


great suggestions!! I'll keep this in mind when I give the LR book to my massage gal!




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no Stollen, no spekulatzius, no lebkuchen!!!!  wow........it took almost 10 years but it sank in at last!!! thought this day would never come!!! )


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Stollen!!! *sobs* I haven't had Stollen since going low carb Oct. 04.

Ah well, I've decided to try and bake a spelt-Stollen next Chistmas.

exj_j ecxellent tips about giving away the books in public. Great idea! I hadn't thought of that.

Hee, my father (type A) is semi-following the diet when he stays at our house. It's a little my fault that he's not more compliant because I find it extremely difficult to cook an A+O+B-non-menu. Plus there is no way that he's going to eat tofu, when hubby and I eat beef or lamb. Actually, there's no way he'll ever eat tofu period! But I try to cook a lot of fish and vegetables for him, and try always to have some fruit for him to munch on in the evening after dinner. He likes that a lot luckily.
He often refers to BTD, though. He detests milk and most dairy, so when asked he always answers: "Oh, no thank you! I can't tolerate dairy because of my blood type!"


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Lola and Poly, thanks for sharing. Sometimes it seems they will never "come around", but if exposed to it long enough, they have to.         I predict my DH will within the next 5 years, at max, come around. Not 100%, as I don't see him giving up his beef, but much more closely than he does now. One can always hope and pray. And keep planting those seeds, water, water, water. Add a little manure if needed.  



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I got my Dad (O) started by making him a deal - I would clean the windows of his house for free, if he would let me choose 5 foods he ate and replace them with anything I chose for 3 weeks.  If, at the end of 3 weeks, he didn't want to continue, he could change back.  I substituted Ezekiel bread for wheat bread, rice milk for cow milk, bananas for oranges, water for whiskey, and green tea for coffee.  He did this cold turkey with no major complaints (and no withdrawal from his 4 cups of coffee per day!).  Since then (2002) I have gradually helped him eliminate cheese (that was a tough one), start eating kale, give up sugar (once we found out he is also a nonnie), exercise more, etc.  He is still not as compliant as I am, but feels good, has lost some weight, and is interested to keep changing.  I really admire him, because most people at 65 are not open to so much change.

The day I started dating my boyfriend (A), he quit smoking cold turkey (a 15 year habit) because it was so repulsive to me.  He was also open to the diet, so I made him a week-long food plan and then took him shopping for all the stuff, including food storage containers so he could make lunch everyday and bring it to work!  He's read some of LR4YT and generally tries to follow it, but is not perfect.  I've also bought him the secretor test (I think he is a nonnie) and I am trying to get him into yoga, which he likes.  When I stay at his house, I bring my yoga stuff and we do yoga together in the morning, but he won't do it on his own.  However, just this week he was talking about buying his own mat!  

The only other person I can really say I've converted is a friend from work (O) who is already very interested in health and has an open mind.  I gave him the wallet card for O and he does know which foods are good/bad for him (and which make him feel good/bad), but will still eat pasta or bread from time to time.  His wife (A) is an MD who is also supportive of natural medicine, but she is skeptical of the BTD.  Although she has learned to eat what is right for her type...


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I got my Dad (O) started by making him a deal - I would clean the windows of his house for free, if he would let me choose 5 foods he ate and replace them with anything I chose for 3 weeks. I really admire him, because most people at 65 are not open to so much change.


I think this last part of the last sentence is my mom's problem. She's 78 and altho she, in her mind, wants to be healthy, the rest of her is not on board. She just doesn't want to give up certain things. I don't live close to her, so I can't cook her meals or "babysit". I do what I can from afar, the rest is up to her. Kudos to your dad!!

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The day I started dating my boyfriend (A), he quit smoking cold turkey (a 15 year habit) because it was so repulsive to me. .  


All I can say is WOW!!  Not many PEOPLE would do that!!


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When I stay at his house, I bring my yoga stuff and we do yoga together in the morning, but he won't do it on his own.  However, just this week he was talking about buying his own mat!  


THIS is what all that planting and watering accomplishes!!




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My housemate is an AB, probably a nonnie. She eats like an O, though. I don't push it. If she wants to become more compliant, I'll help. Until then, I'll keep my thoughts to myself. Nagging won't make her choose the right foods.

Everyone I work with knows I'm on the BTD. Most if not all of them think I'm out of my mind. Many of my coworkers look at my compliant lunch and snacks and make fun of me while they stuff themselves full of junk. *shrug* It's to their detriment, but again, it's also their choice. If anyone is interested or has questions I'll talk with them, but I've learned not to spread my pearls before swine.

Having said that, I did have a nice chat with a coworker the other day about cooking and recipes. Turns out she's instinctively eating an O diet and likes the beneficial foods better than anything else! Yay! I offered to give her some BTD recipes and she was thrilled, so it's possible I'll have someone to share ideas with. Whether she'll follow the diet, I don't know--but she's doing better than most people already, so that's a good thing.


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So eloquently put, Brig.    Hope your co-worker comes on board. It is so nice to have someone to share with, in the flesh I mean.




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great strategy Kate!! )


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Lola,

Great news about your husband...and especially after ten years.

Kate,

I commmed you on the little steps you've taken with your father and boyfriend to improve and clean up their 'diets'.   Every gradual step is progress.

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I've been trying for years to convert a blood type A friend.  He won't give up his meat.  When I talk to him about having a big breakfast and a small dinner, he blanks out.  On some level I think he thinks there is no basis to the whole blood type theory, even though he knows I'm an O and knows we have different personalities/ways of approaching things.  He thinks the key to longevity is Barry Sear's fish oil.  That is his big thing.
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I've been trying for years to convert a blood type A friend.  He won't give up his meat.  When I talk to him about having a big breakfast and a small dinner, he blanks out.  On some level I think he thinks there is no basis to the whole blood type theory, even though he knows I'm an O and knows we have different personalities/ways of approaching things.  He thinks the key to longevity is Barry Sear's fish oil.  That is his big thing.


Dr. Peter just posted the other day that even Sears admitted that Type A's did not do well on the Zone Diet as written in the first book.  I think it's on the meat eating thread.....


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The problem withe Weston Price people is that they describe the elephant in no less of a biased way than the vegan folks. They just hold onto a different leg. Robert Atkins used to say that every blood type did well on his diet, but in reality his head nurse said that they could never get it to work in type A's. Even Barry Sears said in his second book that the Zone Diet as described in his first book did not work well in type A.

BTW the guy that wrote that 'Myth of Vegetarianism' thing died about two years ago of a stroke, but I don't think he was much older than his mid forties. I know its not cool to speak ill of the dead, but fact is,  he was another one of those mail-order NDs as well, and didn't have very much nice to say of the BTD either.



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Half my friends think I'm crazy...a couple are more enthusiastic than me.  I basically hit resistance when people are told they have to give up something they love.  When I can actually talk to them--usually starting with a shrug and a comment that, when I started the BTD, I dropped 10 pounds and 58 cholesterol points in a month (I had to have my blood drawn for 2 different reasons within a month--my RN's jaw dropped when she saw my chole results!), plus a drop of 75 points in triglycerides and 49 points in LDL (bad) cholesterol, they start listening.  Usually they listen most when they are the sickest.

It's sometimes easier to convince people when you detail your resistance.  I had a very similar experience to Poly and Carol.  It was the encyclopedia that blew my mind.  Based on my parents' health problems and my own, I accurately guessed our blood types and my secretor status.

Now, the problem with converting people is that they take your *@#! book and don't give it back!


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Now, the problem with converting people is that they take your *@#! book and don't give it back!


You should GIVE copies, where possible.  We Book Collectors know that "lending" books means giving them.  When I find a book I particularly value, I buy several copies.



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For the financially-challenged (and with apologies to Dr. D and his publisher), the 4YT books can often be found in used-book stores, at a considerable savings.

This way, one can afford to give more books as gifts, if one is so inclined.  (And Dr. D's publisher can take comfort in knowing that many of the giftees will then buy copies of his other books.)


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Yesterday's "Santé_j" Blog addresses this Thread.  Have a look!


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