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I do not think they are considered a "red flag" for all B's... only for B secretors.


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I do not think they are considered a "red flag" for all B's... only for B secretors.


That's exactly my concern.  In LR4YT, "Red Flags" are chicken, corn, buckwheat, lentils, peanuts, sesame seeds, and tomatoes.  What confuses me is how tomatoes is a red flag if it's neutral for nonnies!  Red flag foods are like super-avoids, i.e. the very first things you should get rid of when you first start the diet, because they are the worst.
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I am still waiting on my secretor test results.  After reading other b nonnie posts I was certain I would be a nonnie.  A nonnie is neutral to tomatoes and a regular B they are avoid.  I avoided any and all tomato products for 6 days.  On the 7th day I made chili with diced tomatoes in it and think I may have had a reaction.  Two days later the symptoms went away, ate a leftover bowl of chili and tonight the symptoms seem to be back.

Any B regulars eat tomatoes and have a reaction?  What were your symptoms?


I am still waiting on my secretor test too (is taking a very long time). Anyway, I did a similar test on myself this past weekend. After having eaten exactly zero tomatoes or any dishes with tomato in them, etc., I went ahead and had a bowl of rice noodles with tomato sauce. No reaction that I was aware of either, but then again, I wonder if I've been on the BTD long enough to notice reactions of any sort. I have been careful so far to eat only the foods that are beneficial for both secretors and non-secretors and not to eat any avoids that are listed as such for either or both. My diet has been very limited for a month now, so I'm looking forward to getting my secretor status so that I can expand it a bit.

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That's exactly my concern.  In LR4YT, "Red Flags" are chicken, corn, buckwheat, lentils, peanuts, sesame seeds, and tomatoes.  What confuses me is how tomatoes is a red flag if it's neutral for nonnies!  Red flag foods are like super-avoids, i.e. the very first things you should get rid of when you first start the diet, because they are the worst.


Yes, this is confusing to me too. Everything else on the red-flag list is an avoid for both secretors and non-secretors. So why the red flag for tomatoes I wonder? Is it better for a non-secretor to avoid them even though they are listed as neutral?


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I have been careful so far ... not to eat any avoids that are listed as such for either or both. My diet has been very limited for a month now, so I'm looking forward to getting my secretor status so that I can expand it a bit.


This is what I did also (except I also ate neutrals), while I was waiting for my secretor test results to come back.  I figured statistically I'm more likely to be a secretor, but with my chronic poor health and sensitivities, I thought that more than made up for the statistics, and gave me a good chance of being a nonnie.  Sure enough...   But at least, now I know.

Despite tomatoes now being neutral for me, I have still been hesitant to reintroduce them into my diet.  I like ketchup, salsa, and other tomato-based sauces, but I despise raw tomatoes--taste, texture, consistency, the whole "raw tomato experience", which could be a sign that they are an avoid for me personally.  Who knows?  I did finally buy a bottle of organic ketchup last week (yay, no corn syrup!).
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that s precisely the beauty of BTD and Dr Ds life long work.

let me put it this way......
how on earth would you have known you are a non secretor, if it wouldn t have been for Dr Ds incredible discovery?
and asking all to take the lewis test.....

why are avocados avoids for secretor Os and beneficial for O nonnies?

I believe Dr D has clinically studied all reactions.

found this on tomatoes and As with MM status
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The beneficial status of tomatoes for A secretor MMs is due to its cancer-fighting compounds. MMs need an aggressive cancer-prevention lifestyle, and this recommendation balances out the potential harm of tomatoes with their potential in MM individuals to fight cancer -- and concludes that tomatoes should be used.


very complex if you ask me!


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the health series books give me a very clear perspective of all neutrals, becoming infrequent neutrals......and this to me is a sign of being better off avoiding those.
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with my chronic poor health and sensitivities,

I d look into those first and target my food choices even more.


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the health series books give me a very clear perspective of all neutrals, becoming infrequent neutrals......and this to me is a sign of being better off avoiding those.


Which book(s) are these you are referring to?  Right now, I have LR4YT, ER4YT Encyclopedia, and the website to refer to.  ATM I can't afford to purchase another book!

I'm also kind of lost about the "infrequent neutrals".  I've seen this referred to in other posts, and thought it was something I would see in LR4YT, but I haven't seen it thus far, and I've read the whole type B section.
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http://www.dadamo.com/books.htm
scroll down to the eight health series books.
these books have 5 categories
super beneficials, beneficials, neutral frequent, neutral infrequent and avoid.

I checked tomatoes are neutral frequent for B nonnies so proceed as you see fit.


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The beneficial status of tomatoes for A secretor MMs is due to its cancer-fighting compounds. MMs need an aggressive cancer-prevention lifestyle, and this recommendation balances out the potential harm of tomatoes with their potential in MM individuals to fight cancer -- and concludes that tomatoes should be used.


This is very interesting. Lola, can you say what an MM is (without referring to one of the books)? That is something I haven't read about yet on this forum.


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the MN type can also be tested when you do the whole serotyping test.
most are MNs but the NNs and MMs are called homozygous and have certain differences.
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Around 28 percent of the population type out as MM, 22 percent as NN, and 50 percent as MN. Most health problems are associated with the two "purebred" types (NN and MM), not with the mixed type (MN), a phenomenon known in genetics as hybrid vigor.

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http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=86070

LR4YT says about the advantages of being heterozygous (MN), the homozygous MM and NN types apparently tend to have less hypertension (high blood pressure). Males with the MN phenotype had significantly higher unadjusted systolic and diastolic blood pressures than those who were homozygous MM or NN.


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I have been careful so far to eat only the foods that are beneficial for both secretors and non-secretors and not to eat any avoids that are listed as such for either or both. My diet has been very limited for a month now, so I'm looking forward to getting my secretor status so that I can expand it a bit.


Teri
I DO hope you have been eating neutrals as well or your diet is unnecessary HARD
Neutrals = good basic foods that we all need for variety !

About feeling the effect of some food !
Well I simply don´t think that you always can feel when you eat an avoid
- some mess me up -others dont..
Like pork,shrimp, avocado, olives, artichokes, hazelnuts are all fine with me
- but not with my bt

Some like the pork, hazelnut, artichoke, green olive are tier 2 avoid
= I eat them on occation  
- while the others are really a 1 time a year thing

So I wouldn´t be to sure about how you react to tomatoes as a way of determinating your status.


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Lola, thanks for your explanation about the MM's, etc. Sounds like the same thing that occurs in the business of breeding dogs when too much in-breeding takes place. Imagine if we chose our partners by that criteria too. Maybe one day it'll be one of those first-date questions we ask each other.

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I DO hope you have been eating neutrals as well or your diet is unnecessary HARD
Neutrals = good basic foods that we all need for variety !


Henriette, I have been eating mostly beneficials and very few neutrals. Avoiding neutrals whenever possible when there is a beneficial to be had instead. I was wondering if it was possible to have too many beneficials? Would some of the benefit be lost? Or by HARD, do you mean psychologically? It is that for sure. I was planning on tapering off into more neutrals after a period of about 3 months. Thought that the initial onslot of beneficials would hasten to mend any damage I've caused my body over the years. Then I can incorporate a more stable diet plan. It is a harsh approach I know. But please tell me if you think I'm wasting my time with it.


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teri, as soon as you find out your secretor status, then I d go ahead and do the beneficials for an extended period....
for now, you might be missing some essential beneficials like avocados if you happened to be a nonnie, and so on.......

and also follow the health series book best suited for you, for more targeted food choices.


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Teri,

You could be missing out on some important vitamins, minerals, and other trace nutrients by eating a beneficials only diet for 3 months. The significance of having neutrals as a portion of your daily intake is to provide a balanced diet. However... the B diet is quite well-rounded that way.


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The few neutrals that I am including for now are ...

frequent use...romaine lettuce, spinach, carrots, bananas, blueberries (these fruits can be either beneficial or neutral, depending on secretor status)

limited use...eggs, almond butter, turkey, mayonnaise, maple syrup

So, I figure I am using about 15% of my allowed neutrals and still getting a well rounded diet. You're right, it is much easier with a B diet, don't know if I could do it the same way without yogurt! It is much more challenging for my O hubby to use the same initial approach and I am finding that more neutrals are needed to balance out the vitamins and minerals side of things for him.


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Oh i forgot chocolate and spearmint tea, my favourite bed time snack! About twice a week, sometimes more, sometimes less.


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Teri can I join you  
chocolate surely should be beneficials
I think Kristin has explained it better than I could in my pidgin English  
Im thinking :
I would be lost without eggs, butter, ghee, turkey, beef, Other cheese than the bennies, green beans,peas, almonds and walnuts, rice, speltflour, the whole neutral veggie-department and fruit
all theese = good nutricion and variety in my diet - and makes it easier for me to share food with my O.

My goals is to eat minimum 1 bennie in every meal- often more if I can.

Food yesterday:
Breakfast: Yoghurt, banana, flaxseed, rosehipspowder, raspberry, black tea
Snack: Coffee with wholefat milk- dry cranberries and dark choc.
lunch: Turkeybreast with beansalad; lima, green bean, oliveoil, lemon dressing, onions. Clementine
snack: green tea with walnut cookies ( spelt, ghee, walnut, honey, egg)
dinner: rice with indian meat : beef, onions, garlic, curry, peas, red pepper, carrots, yoghurt and mangochutney on it´s side.
Pineapple  and herbaltea before bed.
It was not a great day - but ok...

If the neutrals had not been there it would be boring...



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Well it is confirmed that I am a nonnie.  This is great news for me concerning tomatoes.   I also found that it was the Cheddar cheese that I was having a reaction to at the time.  Funny, that cheese is an avoid for the nonnie.

I hope to get a book or two for Christmas so I don't really have an understanding of the neutral tag other than I have read here.   I am consistently eating neutrals in all food categories.  It is my intent to eat as many beneficials as I can and I make an effort to eat superbenificials for diabetes and cancer.
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Mekan, several fruits just went from neutral to beneficial for you also. Calf liver also just became beneficial but all wheat is now bad.
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My goals is to eat minimum 1 bennie in every meal- often more if I can.

Food yesterday:
Breakfast: Yoghurt, banana, flaxseed, rosehipspowder, raspberry, black tea
Snack: Coffee with wholefat milk- dry cranberries and dark choc.
lunch: Turkeybreast with beansalad; lima, green bean, oliveoil, lemon dressing, onions. Clementine
snack: green tea with walnut cookies ( spelt, ghee, walnut, honey, egg)
dinner: rice with indian meat : beef, onions, garlic, curry, peas, red pepper, carrots, yoghurt and mangochutney on it´s side.
Pineapple  and herbaltea before bed.
It was not a great day - but ok...

If the neutrals had not been there it would be boring...


Henriette, thanks for sharing this. It is good to know how other B's are eating. Your menu sounds wonderful and definitely more interesting than mine is at the moment. Maybe I am not getting enough beans or grains in my diet right now and that's something I should think about adding. I love spelt. Also, in the medical health series book for 'Aging', ghee and onions are listed as superbeneficials for both secretors and non-secretors so yes, I am using them too! This is the book I am following for now. It seems to be quite a recent publication so I'm quite happy with the information I am finding in there for both B's and O's. Haven't quite got into the portion counting yet but will do so when secretor status is in.


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Well it is confirmed that I am a nonnie.  This is great news for me concerning tomatoes.   I also found that it was the Cheddar cheese that I was having a reaction to at the time.  Funny, that cheese is an avoid for the nonnie.


Welcome to the nonnie clubhouse.  When I learned I was a nonnie, I was very bummed out about the cheeses that are avoids for us.  I love all cheese!  I confess that I occasionally cheat and the gas I let out lets the world around me know it.  



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Welcome to the nonnie clubhouse.  When I learned I was a nonnie, I was very bummed out about the cheeses that are avoids for us.  I love all cheese!  I confess that I occasionally cheat and the gas I let out lets the world around me know it.  




That is me when I cheat and have artichokes with my O .... not nice to share bed with  


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BTW didn't this thread used to be a sticky? I would hate to see it expire as old as it is.
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Hey ya'll! I agree, gcg: Don't let it die, semper fi, etc. Missed you guys, almost 3 months away: What's newest in B land?

Gotta tell ya, the changes on the Forum are REALLY confusing! And I wasn't even let into the Forum, using my 3-months-ago-fine password! What gives?

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