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Yes, I am here folks - updated on my own little thread - the pre-surgery one. I didn't realise my little B friends were thinking of me on here - it's so heartwarming to see those messages.

So for those who don't know, I couldn't actually have the op because my blood pressure was too high (first reading 157/110) but at least have seen and experienced hospital and staff first hand and am pleased with my choice. ..so now have to get the BP sorted before I go back - I have had a new date through of 5th April next year.....which should mean I will have moved house and had a bit of a chance to settle first....

So exjj how are things with you?

Henriette, have you got exams/assessments? I meant to email you, still catching up with myself!


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Hey, Ellie! Yay, you're back.  OK.

Sorry, but I can't go into much detail about the "situation".  I'd love to remain on a sort of "code green" status, or something, whereby I'll just know you B's are occasionally directing a little prayer my way...

As for you, I hope you're feeling ok.  What are you doing about the Blood Pressure? Have you seen Dr. D's book on Cardiovascular Disease?  It's great. Between the focussed diet, the supplements (there's a hypertension protocol in there) and the exercise/fitness, you may very well tweak those numbers downward.
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Thanks for checking in both places Ellie. I'm glad your trial run went well.  

Better keep those channels open for B love, exj_j  


Hey B's - I had a nice B experience this Thanksgiving. We visited my husband's aunt in Santa Fe and she asked me about the BTD. So I gave her the rundown... and her blood type?... she's a B too!! But not only that... both her ex-husbands were B's (I always wondered how that B&B combo would work... obviously not so well for her  ) and all 4 of her children are B's. So here I was surrounded by B's and I didn't even know it! She then told me a story of when her daughter was a young adult and went from very healthy to very sickly in a short period of time. What was the culprit? Her daughter had stopped eating dairy. When she began eating dairy again as her mother suggested, her health returned.

Too cool!



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Wow, Kristin! Especially love the dairy part! We B's have simply GOT to lead the charge against AntiDairy Propaganda Forces!  Stories like Kristin's husband's niece's, and like many of ours, scream out to be told in the mainstream. Calling Dr. D?

And Henriettebsec and I are gung-ho WholeMilk, etc.

Lucky you, Kristin, with all those B's.  But I have to say -- uh oh, I'll get fried for this -- Many B's are... too much for me.  I mean, B's are often unusual, yes, as am I, but some have some really VOLATILE moods, and in a family setting, this can be draining.  ... There, I've said it.  I think it might be acceptable, coming from an actual B, right? But I wonder about B's sometimes, "Is this one of the sane ones or one of the I-dare-you-to-handle-me/demanding ones?"  (Any takers?)


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Funny in my B and O family the O's are the ones with the volatile moods. All the B's would just shrug and think "to each his own" . The B's seem to be more accepting of people's differences while the O's are much more conventional and a bit dull! At least the B's out number the O's.
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That's a really interesting story with the dairy Kristin! I seem to do better with goats dairy tho than cows (although a little bit seems ok).

Exj-j, I haven't done anything specific about the BP yet. Need to make an appointment with the GP, have just been adjusting to being back home. It has made me really think about how I do push myself still to do more than my body can handle, incl sometimes trying to go for a walk or even talk too much which I can feel makes my body stressed and as if it doesn't know how to calm itself down. So as I have a few things to do already in the next week or so, I will not make an appointment with the GP immediately.esp as I now have till next April!! ...I've been wondering about giving Nitricycle a go too. And to up my meditations. ..
and still keep looking at the secretor test which I haven't done yet.

Also, not expecting any intimate details from you, just an indication - are you code red for emergency eg? Keep reminding us, so we keep lighting candles for you!



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hey fellow Bs,

Just want to get the nonfat/lowat/fullfat dairy debate started again, if you dont mind.

like many of you I have switched to full fat dairy recently, largely because of some B's raving posts about fullfat dairy. I too think that it just tastes way better and it also makes me feel better. lowfat and nonfat milk has such an empty taste, almost like water.

But heres my question: Why is fullfat dairy better for weight loss? What's the logic behind that? Isn't more fat = more weight gain? I am confused. This goes beyond my intelluctual grasp
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dearle- you might have *the* digestion for such fullfat things, not me and your weightgainer is wheat and maize......very
the reply lies in your genetic-response

my super-quicky-weightgainer is *sugar* of all kinds........
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I want to find for you the name of a scientist at the forefront of this, someone in particular, not at the tip of my tongue right now, and I'm not home at the moment: Rapidler, I promise I'll get you that name. I think it's Virginia E....

But another one comes to mind, actually the perfect "entree" name for this issue of Fats leading to weight loss, also now a "bestseller": Will Crower? or Clower, PhD, author of The Fat Fallacy.  This'll set you on the right road.  And he refers to the above and other scientists. I love the book! And I'm considered a tough customer...

Really cool to see the "Food Group Pyramids" of different countries in this book,  how the US is on its own bizarre track.

In the US, we've been pushing the "low fat" thing, and our incidence of heart disease keeps getting worse and worse!! ESPECIALLY during the same years that Americans are cutting back on fats more and more.  Find out more about this by reading The Fat Fallacy.  In fact, I recommend this book to all B's especially.

Now: How did I lose 10 lbs in September?  By enjoying full fat dairy.  Rapidler learned of this and put it to the test, obviously successfully.  Here it is in a nutshell: Keyword: SATIETY.
Instead of stressing carbs, which low-fat eaters do (the ingredients lists of "low-fat" products often add carbs, not to mention chemicals, to imitate taste factors/consistency), and instead of eating HUGE low-fat protein sources, we full fat eaters, in adding cream, for instance, are enjoying the LONGEST LASTING and filling and "mmm....satisfying" aspects of our food.  We are thus not frantically seeking to satisfy inexplicable cravings with add-on carb snacks.  We're happy people.  Food is GREAT at mealtimes, because it includes everything we want and need. We're not deluded that fractionating dairy products (and adding various chemicals to the fraction to simulate decent products) is going to be GOOD for us!  

Most important, as Clower points out, we're not waiting for American Dietary associations to admit that the other countries are healthier and eat differently, including Whole Dairy.  He points out how difficult it is in Europe (and I concur, and would include the middle east) to LOCATE low- or non-fat dairy products in the markets.  These people don't use them, and their health is PHENOMENALLY better than ours.  

Clower was on a different track, originally.  He was a neuroscientist on 2-year research fellowship in Lyon, France, and the lifestyle over there, the diet, etc., really intrigued him, to the point of changing his whole career focus.  His whole family was eating daily cheese, butter, cream, and dropping the pounds. So he wrote The Fat Fallacy.  There are other books out there, with "French" in the title, "French Diet", "French Women", "French Paradox"... but, having browsed them in the stacks, they're not, for me anyway, as compelling. Fat Fallacy holds together, is cogently presented, and is kind of humourous and iconoclastic: Perfect for BTDers!

Interesting note:  The size of the Heavy Whipping Cream display at my local Whole Foods Market is... HUGE.  I don't know if they've SUBSTANTIALLY increased their purchase for the holiday season or what.  I think the Atkins followers are a pretty big factor...


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On another recent topic on the thread, B's and moods.

I've been noting the blood types of clients for a few years now.  My B clients can be a test.  Some of them are kind of demanding, as in "See how difficult I can be? Admit it, I'm a hard case".  I usually score VERY well with my B clients in the end, because I can meet them every step of the way. But they can be challenging. But it's as if they're saying "Prove how good you are at this.  I'm your most difficult case. I wouldn't be surprised if you just threw up your hands and gave up".

Maybe I expressed it badly above, in a former entry. I called it moodiness. But, actually, it's, rather, a sense of "specialness", as in "I'm a Special Case".

But: Aha!  Because we B's are found in such small numbers around the Western world, we get used to being different...

I don't know, friends, I'm just rambling.  See if you can cope with me.


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do you speak about CLA for weightloss?? amiebibi
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high fat cheese has a very low carb ratio.

a high fat diet, will definately let you loose weight.

the lower your carb intake, the faster you loose.


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Hi all B´s
Great to see you Ellie.
I would say some stress relief would lover your blood pressure and mayby high potassium food?

I am and have been stressed. My last 2 weeks with the kids ( teaching) was a bit demanding.
The planning...... (I am really in many ways a spontanious person) and the fact that kids normal teacher was sitting in the back looking at me......
BUT I did get very good feed back ... they told me that the only thing I lacked was something I would not learn at College:
Experience!!!

Next 2 weeks will be busy..
I´ve got my first really large paper....Exams in danish
Paper is about about kids reading habits -what they read and why-
and then it is Christmas.
A little bit stressful for me since:
Last year my dad died from me in the Christmas.
Actually he first died Jan 9th... but somehow I felt he died during Christmas. I do feel fine about him dying etc yes I miss him...
but It makes it important that this Chistmas is a nice -happy one - and not that sad weird one like last year.

So think about me the next weeks.- and give me good vibrations
I´ll be around some days. It makes me happy reading your guys` posts -
HUGS to every one.



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Hi Henriette  

I remember when you talked about your dad dying at the beginning of this year, and what a sad time that was for you then. I do send you all the good vibrations that I can to have the Christmas that you most desire this year.  

We'll be thinking of you... and best of luck with your term papers and exams... we're all rooting for ya! Remember to find time to relax and decompress... so important, and medicinal, actually, for us B's.



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best of luck!! )


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"URGENCY"!

Last night I figured out what I was trying to say re: B's.  I think we're basically analytical types, used to figuring things out in our lives somewhat on our own, and when we can't, we don't:

- DENY our need, as would, say, an O, who might convert neediness to anger
- DOUBT ourselves, get anxious internally but try to hide the need, as might an A

but, rather, being analytical types, we B's reach a point where a light goes off in our heads that says, "OK Time to Get Help!" and then: "Make sure the helper knows how desperate the situation is!!" And there's this URGENCY re need, for the B, as if to say: "Hey, if it weren't REALLY BAD I wouldn't be consulting anybody"...

That's it.  We B's are relatively Independent types, and when we make the decision to reach out for help, we're not Angry with the counselor, we're not Scared of what's happening, but we're recognizing the seriousness of the situation, and this can call forth all kinds of emotions in and of itself, that we're not accustomed to sharing. Maybe.  

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Thanks - I am feeling a little better- since my "professor " decided it was ok to get the paper fished in January instead

Exj-J
I think you are SO RIGHT
At least it fits almost 100 % on me.

BUT

Yesterday I had this weird reaction- I realized that when I freak out with my family and gets angry or sad- it is when they show too much weakness.
I think it is because I try to be strong and independent and it has to be really serious before I ask for help- so when I find my family showing weakness... It reminds me that I am weak as well.. And I loose it...
I had a stupid and very bad fight with Emma ( My daughter) a week a go and I got so upset because I realized I was really freaking out because she was sad  for no reason ( That was my thought in the situaton)
I don´t get it
All tests I have done ( to get a job) shows high on empati- that I am really good at understanding other people and their feelings and then I get so upset when my family shows weakness.


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Just sending you lots of HUGS and thoughts and your daughter too - is she thinking about her granddad like you? Funnily enough today was my granddad's birthday - his death was really awful for all of us, and I was much older than your daughter...Also, I know I sometimes do far too much, I've always been the tough one, (I think that's part of being an older sister too) but sometimes if I feel I need help and nobody seems to care or notice without being asked then I got really annoyed at other people getting all the help they want - and i suppose this is when they are weak - so I wonder if it's the way I can feel with my family. Don't  beat yourself up about it - you're still wonderful  

Bs and Independence - wow, that is so true! Also not asking for help very easily. I think that fits my sis that's definitely a B and my friend here that's a B. Maybe the way we think/express ourselves is different therefore we can be easily misunderstood and learn early on to shut up and quietly keep our own counsel! I sometimes say something and people find it funny and I seem to get laboled as weird. Anybody else get that? Although I'm sure life experiences come into it too.





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Oh yes, Ellie... the weirdness factor. And feeling misunderstood most of the time, too.

Yes... I have learned to "quietly keep my own counsel" as you so eloquently phrased it... much easier that way. But I think the world needs the voices of B's in it too so I have made conscious efforts in recent years to voice my perceptions and realities and not worry about how it is interpretted by others.

And I find it so important to surround myself with other weird people... or "socialize in alternative circles", as a friend puts it. They don't have to weird in the same way as I am... but I like being around people who choose to live a unique rather than conformative life.

Maybe it's just a B thing...



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Hi Kristin

Yes, it is important to speak our truths in the right places and times - this is something I have just started to do, be much more vocal about who I am - this is about me saying "I have just as much right to be here as everybody else, and to voice my opinions". And yes, do you think it's coincidence that the one good friend I have made where I am living is a fellow weird B? I think not. Although we did meet through our Welsh classes, which isn't that weird! (not in my opinion anyway!).

I am finally giving myself permission to explore the world fully wherever  I feel led. How's this for weirdness  - I have just received the first instalments of  the Bardic level course for a Druidic order, which I am hoping will help deepen my connection with the world around me, living in tune with nature and all that,  and help develop my creativity. It is NOT a religion in case anyone thinks I'm getting religious.  Seems pretty B-like to me!


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Love it!! The Welsh classes and the course for becoming a druid. How cool!


And deepening your connection to the world and nature, developing creativity,... yeah... you're a B all right.    How wonderful that you are allowing yourself to follow those inner impulses for self-exploration. Very inspiring!!



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Yes we are different but sometimes that is a good thing. Alot of people I work with, usually O's with a few A's seem to think that there is only one solution to a problem. I can allways come up will several alternate solutions one of which is that maybe it isn't a problem at all. Maybe it is just the pattern sensing INTJ in me. About being independent my family is mostly B's with a few O's and we are about as independent as cats. The B's in the family can work togather on joint projects though.
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