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Tuesday, September 6, 2005, 9:45pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Ee Dan
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Hee...I'm nothing if not persistent!

Thank you guys for helping out.  It's a bit confusing for us beginners!  It seems easy for you sages that have been practicing for a long time, but this is new knowledge to me.  One day, I'll be wise and answering some other newbies 5,000 questions!


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how do you find out your subtypes?
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The column on the right in all the tables of LR4YT contains the values for non-secretors.

The fruit servings should also read per day.


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chris,
subtype?
you mean secretor status?

look for the kits here on line, at the NAP store....


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how do you find out your subtypes?


You can get a full serotyping done from the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine.
You can contact them at 480/970-0000.  
Testing includes:
ABO type
A1 or A2 subtype
Rh +/-
Lewis type
MN type



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Let me try to explain the tiers 1 and 2 system.
Searched for some notes Heidi wrote some time ago.

Tier One is the basis of the diet for everyone.
If you simply wish to maintain and enhance your current level of health, use Tier 1 as your staple foods, and choose freely from Tier Two and the Neutral Tier for added variety.
For you, the 'AVOID'foods listed in Tier TWO can be considered 'NEUTRAL'

This is the key of the diet!!! This is what is troubling you guys (and gals!)

Tier TWO values should be used as written if you are seeking to resolve an illness, heal from injury, lose weight, bear up under added stress, or to alleviate chronic fatigque of other health issues -- or if you are following the diet according to your status as one of the variants nonsecretors, MM or A2. Minimize your use of Neutral foods. This the TURBO version of the diet, designed to speed healing and provide added protection against disease.

Example: you are a secretor type O, with normal health and you read in Tier TWO, listed under the secretor-section that Potatoes are to avoided.
But as you are a secretor, you can consider Potatoes as NEUTRAL.

Other example: Beer!!!
Tier TWO: Secretor section: Beer: AVOID. This means for you as a O secretor, beer turns out to be NEUTRAL!!! Hurray!

for my friend Isa Type AB Nonsecretor:
Choose your staple foods mainly from Tier TWO non-secretors.
And minimize your use of the Neutral Foods.... sorry sweety!!!  

The notes MM and A2 are specifically mentioned in the sections.

Anyway my 2 cents in this discussion.
Above text is from Heidi noted down under Errata and clarifications back then.

Hope this has cleared a the sky a bit!!

Cocky
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Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 4:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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woooo-hooooo schnurrrgl

I just saw: yippers...how glad I am now because I'd understood it better (encore


:if you're doing the non-secretor version of y.ABO-plan...yeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhaaaaa
relax... yup...yup...yup : you're automatically doing tier 2 = that means I am *on-line*
with 1. A2 B nonnie  and tier 2 and this automatically. It means I must have a look onto the super-mini-little-scripts (A2B avoid or ok or neutral or-or-or) and then I add the normal AB-nonnie-foodlist = ok for that  = yup or yep


But that's it what I allways was asking : *why* what is here to be merged? Nonniehood is not an illness and I don't see beyond it... ooouuu this is soooo hard because my
compulsive side needs to understand......

    thank you lola, and Cocky and all the others too
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cocky,
that was very clear for all to understand, ty!!


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Saturday, October 1, 2005, 7:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Cocky and Lola,

I think I got the idea on the tiers and then I read something else that brings up questions.

“Tier 1” = The basic diet using all the foods listed for your “ABO type / secretor status” as “Beneficial/Neutral” and avoiding everything else.

My basic understanding of “Tier 2” was that if you needed to deal with some disease or lose weight, the foods listed in Tier 2 would be the most helpful in achieving weight loss or regaining balance.  This was especially true with those food listed as “Beneficial”.  All other food would be considered “Neutral” (of course you exclude avoids)

The statement has been made that if you are a “Non-Secretor”, you are automatically following “Tier 2”, WHY?  There are foods listed under the Tier 1 and Neutral sections that are Beneficial/Neutral for non-secretors.

Given myself as an “AB Non-secretor” wanting to follow the “Tier 2” diet for improved health and some weight loss (no specific diseases), do I only use the “Tier 2” Beneficial/Neutral foods?   Then when I reach my desired weight range, can I then add “Tier 1” and the other appropriate foods listed in the “Neutral” section?

Thanks,
Albert    
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just follow beneficials and neutrals as stated........without the tier system.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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So for the Nonee it is that simple?  

How about if you are a secretor my wife is also AB, but she is a secretor.  She is at her ideal weight and has no medical problems.  So should she do the same, following the Beneficial/Neutrals?

Really appreciate your assistance,
Albert  
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tier 1 - is more for maximizing health...the beneficial foods and refraining from avoids in this tier along with neutral foods for general nutritional supplementation will suffice for most healthy individuals

Tier 2 - the beneficial foods and the refraining from avoids on this tier is designed for those people who are suffering fron a chronic desease or wish to follow the diet at a higher compliance level...think of the beneficials on tier 2 as super beneficials

any neutrals on tier 1 or 2 are not beneficial..


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Lola answered my question with respects to non-secretors.

However, when it is said that “for higher compliance level” to the diet use Tier 2.  Does this mean that you exclude food listed in Tier 1?
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Quoted from aguasch
Lola answered my question with respects to non-secretors.

However, when it is said that “for higher compliance level” to the diet use Tier 2.  Does this mean that you exclude food listed in Tier 1?


you do not exclude tier one beneficials from the diet. Think of tier one benes as  medicinal food and tier two benes as super medicinal food




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oups... Albert, you and your spouse are both AB; one is secretor-the other a nonnie
wow- a real special couple congrats....don't you feel sometimes that you just look up into your own mirror

are you also an A2B nonnie? thanks for your reply
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Hi Isa-Manuela,

Thank you, yes we are a special couple.  We met in high school and got married after we finished.  We have been married for 31 years and still very much in love; true soul mates.

We do not know if we are A2Bs, we just got the results of the secretor testing this last week.  How do you get tested to determine A or A2?  How important is it in the overall scheme?

Albert
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What are the main contributors to exhaustion after eating? I am not talking about a Thanksgiving dinner here, but every day.
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perhaps you would be a good candidate for separation diet.

not eating starches with protein.....
veggies and fats are neutral.....meaning you can eat them with either one......
legumes are tricky, cause they re both at the same time....besides, they re a bit difficult to digest.......(for those with such issues)

and fruit should be eaten separately......away from meals....and one at a time....


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Thanks Lola. I will do some research into food combining.

Maybe I would benefit from some starch in the morning, or fruit to provide some energy?? I have been going by the principle that Os should have protein to provide long lasting energy for their day, but it isn't working that way for me, although it used to. My digestion is not in tip top shape to say the least so maybe eating something that yields energy quickly would be a good way to start the day...

Obviously I need to switch meals around and experiment. I think another factor is maybe the size of the meal... I tend to have gigantic salads next to a piece of fish for example, thinking a salad is mostly water... Or maybe it has nothing to do with what I am eating and is related to my circadian rythym and lack of restive sleep at night??

Too many confounding variables to tease out cause and effect. Sometimes I just wannna give up, and then I remember what it was like when I used to be "healthy" (even with asthma, allergies, bronchitis for months on end, catching every cold; at least I was alive! I feel like a zombie these days). I was in such great shape during my 20s and early 30s, climbing mountains every weekend, biking or skating every day and attending graduate school and working in the lab. I was able to do it all. And it wasn't that long ago, I am 38 now.
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try eating tier 2 beneficials for a week or two.......
see how you feel .........


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Quoted from JK
What are the main contributors to exhaustion after eating? I am not talking about a Thanksgiving dinner here, but every day.



How long after a meal do you feel exhausted?  

  Try alternating the amount of carb foods that you used, and try increasing the fat (healthy fats).  Use foods that are high in fiber--it will take longer to digest, hence you will not get as tired because the fiber and the fat work together to slow down digestion.  The carbs are converted to glucose much slower, and the sugars are dumped into your bloodstream much slower; you won't feel like you are hypoglycemic because it is all more steady.  
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The exhaustion usually hits me 1-2 hrs after eating. I think Laura identified the problem correctly since I know I am hypoglycemic, I just thought I solved that problem ages ago, and therefore didn't think of it as a cause. Duh. I have changed my diet the past 2 mos to an elimination diet, hopefully eliminating allergenic foods. This leaves me with fewer choices. Seems this problem is more of a problem when I eat fish and salad for brunch... not much there in the way of carbs or fat! I didn't have this problem 2 mos ago when I was eating steak or buffalo for breakfast -- unfortunately I can't tolerate beef right now. I am getting rather tired of lamb and chicken! I will try switching my meals around so that I eat fish and salad in the evening, lamb or chicken in the morning. Perhaps adding a sweet potato or rice to the fish meal would fill in the corners better too.

Perhaps ground buffalo would be OK where steak is not... Anyone know if buffalo is easier to digest than beef? Why would it be?? The elim diet my doc gave me suggests only lamb, chicken, turkey and cold water fish for easy to digest meats. When I tried steak a couple weeks ago, I really wished I hadn't!

Lola, you are right , time to pare down to tier two beneficials only. I have a lot of healing to do. I am reading LR4YT now.
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hithere
perhaps you may try with some changements...do the carb-intake in the evening without
any protein, next have a look what it is that mimics the hyoglyc. and try to stay away from this and perhaps use L'Glutamine  in larger amounts to get over this point  
and then take an enzymatic help without any pepsin in for better digestion, you will see
it will work wonders in your case

tr.y.Isa
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saluti Albert
have a look next time you'll go to visite your doc and do a test of the A-sub-groups
you might be A1 or 2 that means (written in LR4Yt) more or less intake of animal-proteins AB-nonnies don't do that good with grains too, I didn't remarked in
that way so far I took to much of grains in the morning and got now too much of kilos on but since 2 weeks I am  on reductions... and now much better-
and if you'd remarked in minuscules letters ther's a remark in the book mentioned about foodintakes for A2B's like red peppers = ok and so on... but just very little letters
under the normal textes,; I didn't got it at one,.... for example, that stevia is nothing for A2B's but is neutral for AB's...... you see !!

isa
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Isa,

Thanks for the information.  

It is interesting how green/red bell peppers are a no-no, but "pimientos" are neutral.  I wonder if this just refers to the red pimientos or any variety of pimientos?
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