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I might agree,


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"The body adapts remarkably well to change -- and that's the problem," Kenny said in a press release. "When the animal overstimulates its brain pleasure centers with highly palatable food, the systems adapt by decreasing their activity. However, now the animal requires constant stimulation from palatable food to avoid entering a persistent state of negative reward".


It does sound like addiction doesn't it? I can well believe that the human body is hard wired to respond to sugar and fats as our evolutionary legacy and given the availability of the bait there are a lot of people who are going to go for it. It is really a problem generated by surplus rather than scarcity much like lakes and rivers are adversely affected by excess nutrients from agricultural run-off or whatever.

I must admit I am a little leery when I hear of sugar addiction or whatever as it has a bit of gimmick or sensationalism about it but if researchers can nail down the data I am open to listen on it. There seems to be a fork in the road here, either you mentally over ride the attraction or indulge it.

Thanks for posting Jacquie, I have an interest in such stuff though in a distant, calculating manner.





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I was pretty skeptical of this myself when my husband brought up the topic months ago. I didn't take him seriously about his very real physical addiction to fast food that he's struggled with for ten years now.  He was able to break it once and now I believe he will again now that he's being open with me about it (before he couldn't because I was too closed off to the idea).  He said he would get a burning sensation in his stomach whenever he would get a craving for it. Also like the article says - he couldn't tell when he was full and would often times eat it when he wasn't even hungry or truly desiring it. I would also notice it caused him to be very sad until he got his fix.  He would hide it just like any addict does. I turned a blind eye to it and was not compassionate. But no more.

At one point in time (about four years ago), I indulged in it with him (not realizing his struggle) but I don't think I was ever personally addicted to it.  I just got cravings for it.  Not burning sensations or anything like that.  I would get sick of it eventually just like anything else if I had it enough times. I like variety. So maybe it's partially genetic too because I know his dad had similar issues with food.  Anyway, just wanted to get the info out there.
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Very interesting video. Thank you for sharing it.
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Not to belittle the reality of addiction but I just had to post this. Addiction apparently can mean anything nowadays. I did not watch all of this for obvious reasons but it about a 19 yr. old NY woman who is "addicted" to eating solid deodourant.

Addiction to eating deodorant





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Not to belittle the reality of addiction but I just had to post this. Addiction apparently can mean anything nowadays. I did not watch all of this for obvious reasons but it about a 19 yr. old NY woman who is "addicted" to eating solid deodourant.

Addiction to eating deodorant

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Where am I?  


Thanks. Another word that can mean almost what you please is "trauma", anything from years in a Nazi concentration camp to hearing modern music on the bus falls under the umbrella.

Where would anyone get the idea that deodorant was good to eat.






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The Learning Channel on cable has a show called "My Strange Addiction".  Eating deodorant is
mild compared to some of the bizarre addictions I've seen people have.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrifying-strange-addiction-screen-caps


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The Learning Channel on cable has a show called "My Strange Addiction".  Eating deodorant is
mild compared to some of the bizarre addictions I've seen people have.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrifying-strange-addiction-screen-caps


Hmmm. Touche. I had no idea. Well that even reinforces my point, I suppose.






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On a more serious note here is an article on how food companies invest in scientific research to find out how food and body work in order to capture a greater share of the consumer dollar. I would think if any, or many. of these foods are addictive that it has been engineered on purpose.

Scientific research on food





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An addiction - (however you want to define one) can be hard to understand if you have never seriously struggled with one yourself. I believe there are always legitimate reasons for the addictions (no matter how bizarre it seems to you) that people go through.
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An addiction - (however you want to define one) can be hard to understand if you have never seriously struggled with one yourself. I believe there are always legitimate reasons for the addictions (no matter how bizarre it seems to you) that people go through.


I totally agree...An addiction would not be within the control of the victim to change, unless the
stimulus was removed or altered in some way. Pathological behavior often requires professional
intervention.  Just pointing out how extreme some addictions are and...not finding this amusing nor bizarre as much as rather sad when you realize people often can't stop what they're doing, although
they might wish they could.  What I find interesting is that The Learning Channel has created shows
like The Hoarders" and "My Strange Addiction" to hopefully give the average viewer an education on
subjects they might not realize exist....Unfortunately, many people find this information to be entertaining and might make fun of these poor souls..which is really not the reason these shows
are on the air.  But then again, I wonder....why are people even attracted to observing people
with unusual behavior?  


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Quoted from Jacquie
An addiction - (however you want to define one) can be hard to understand if you have never seriously struggled with one yourself. I believe there are always legitimate reasons for the addictions (no matter how bizarre it seems to you) that people go through.


I do not have such a problem with the reality of addiction as I do with the object of such. I can see when you are talking heroin, tobacco, maybe alcohol and so on but when the focus turns to sugar or junk food I seem to draw a bit of a blank. I am getting a grip on this from articles and information like the one I posted on post # 12.

Part of my problem is that I grew up in a time and place where there was no junk food really. No Mcdonalds, A & W, Burger King, KFC or even pizza. The closest would have been soda pop,ice cream and potato chips and candy which were considered treats rather than food. Having been integrated into junk food culture as a child may, and probably does, have a serious impact but I have no experience of it.

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But then again, I wonder....why are people even attracted to observing people
with unusual behavior?  


I think we all give up a little of ourselves in becoming socialized so itnis interesting to see someone who has veered off the road. Personally 30 seconds of someone eating a light bulb is plenty for me. (I wonder if anyone has tried the new ones. )





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You understand that food can be medicine, right? It has a real, physical effect on our physical and emotional health. Eating the right foods can promote healing, while eating the wrong foods inhibits healing. I would think that almost everybody on this website understands that concept.

It's not such a stretch to understand "fast food addiction" when you realize just how potent foods can be. If food can be medicine, why can't it be a drug too?

When you think about "foods that heal vs foods that inhibit healing" you're probably thinking about eating real, whole foods. If an A follows an O diet, or an O follows an A diet, they'll encounter fatigue, sluggishness, and an increased susceptibility to all kinds of illnesses. But they won't be "addicted" to anything, because they're eating real, whole foods- just the wrong ones and in the wrong proportions.

Junk foods aren't like that. They're scientifically designed with just the right amount of sugar and salt to make people crave more. They have actual chemicals added to them, in the form of flavor enhancers, texture enhancers, and artificial colors, flavors, and sweeteners. Many of these substances are not things our bodies recognize as food- so they have drug-like effects on our bodies.

That's how addiction happens-  because they're not just foods, they're foods with drugs added. Plus an excess of refined carbs- both from sugars and simple starches- lead to blood sugar instability and the *need* to eat frequently. That effect is enhanced by the "non food additives" in these products.

That's not even counting how some foods, such as gluten and dairy, do have natural opium-like components that can be addictive as well.


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Ah the skeptic who does not understand addition to sugar and junk.  I'm 54 years old.  I was raised in a poor welfare family who could only afford boxed white flour and sugar foods, cheap hamburger meats and food ridden with additives and chemicals.  

My Grandfather, his father, and my Grandmother, and who knows who else in the family line, were hard core alcoholics.  My Mother was a sugar addict.  My sister a meth, sugar, cig addict, my brother a pot and cig. addict.  All of my sisters children are now sugar addicts.  

I believe that children are born with brain chemistry deficiencies esp. when they have a family line like mine (all addicts), and then depending on the family they are born into, they either get what they need for those deficiencies or they get the food that keeps the deficiencies in CRAVE mode.  

As you can see, I got the food that addicted me straight out of the box to sugar and junk and kept me in cravings mode.  My mom used to bottle feed me kool-aide.  

I began to use food not only for my cravings which were horrid but also for comfort.

Now I'm working on eating to feed the deficiencies and taking some supp's to help them but I find that I still have the 'habit pattern' of wanting to reach for sugar and junk when under stress of any emotional type.  This means I have used food for comfort and to help me get through my days.

Now... one might say.. yes we all eat under stress here and there.. however for the addict the disease only gets worse and worse and the eating gets more intense and the health gets more and more comprimised.  If indeed we all could 'stop' after a little stress fest eating... the nation would not have the highest obesity rate it's ever had in its history.  

I was not living life on lives terms.  I have to have a new way of 'dealing with the ups and downs.'  This is where the 12-step program comes in and it's helping me alot!!! It's wonderful and I'm beginning to see progress from this horrid disease after 50 year of it.  It's an awful ride of shame and guilt and long nights of worry, agnst and hopelessness.

To be a person who so easily says they don't understand it because they have never experienced such a thing, and thus indirectly put it down, casting it aside as if it doesn't exist, is unkind.  

I'm grateful on many levels for the disease.. it has taught me humility and how to be humble and now it's deepening my walk with my spiritual self.  At a certain point in one's life, one comes to the need to address that death is out there waiting... and so in this regard beginning to connect with my higher self, God or whatever you might want to call it, is a gift.  I want to be at peace when I go.. and because I want to heal so badly from the addiction, I have become willing to surrender to God and let that power guide my life.  

If you don't believe in that word, God.. then just call it love.  Same thing.  
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To be a person who so easily says they don't understand it because they have never experienced such a thing, and thus indirectly put it down, casting it aside as if it doesn't exist, is unkind.

This may be true for some people.

I don't know the feeling because I have never experienced it, but that doesn't mean that I think it isn't real.  I'm having an experience that even Dr.s have never heard of, but I don't know that they are putting it down - more that they don't have any response because there isn't any guidance for them to rely on for "treatment".


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VJunk foods aren't like that. They're scientifically designed with just the right amount of sugar and salt to make people crave more. They have actual chemicals added to them, in the form of flavor enhancers, texture enhancers, and artificial colors, flavors, and sweeteners. Many of these substances are not things our bodies recognize as food- so they have drug-like effects on our bodies.


Right. (Don't forget the fat)From the BTD/GTD perspective drus and food are one big class, it is the general culture that makes the distinction.

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I don't know the feeling because I have never experienced it, but that doesn't mean that I think it isn't real.  I'm having an experience that even Dr.s have never heard of, but I don't know that they are putting it down - more that they don't have any response because there isn't any guidance for them to rely on for "treatment".


It is like a place that is not marked on the map. The novelty is bound to effect some resistance in people in general.





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I think the notion would get better traction if the "heroin" hyperbole were omitted, frankly.
People are tired of hearing that if they have one Whopper per quarter, say, they're as bad off as someone with the devastating, tragic condition of heroin addiction, or at least as bad off as someone who literally shoots up four times a year.

And actual drug addicts might feel mocked by having their tragic situation compared to eating french fries. A person can become addicted to heroin after only one injection. Saying french fries are as addictive makes that person's circumstances appear trivial.

People like to be spoken to sensibly. I'm one person whose interest the media's knack with over-the-top dramatic headlines is pretty much guaranteed to repel.


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I think that’s why people get fat when they quit smoking.  They turn to something else for satisfaction.  During my bouts of stopping smoking I can consume a whole bag of Lunburg Rice cakes in a day.  I add extra sea salt to them.

Cigarette smoking is the addiction that runs in my family.  My Father was a chain smoker.  I tried my 1st on at age 12 and liked it.  My son smokes.  Both my son & I eat healthy and exercise so people shake their heads in wonder at us.  He’s on an adult swim team and the lead singer in his band.  He smokes less than I do.  We’re both trying the e-cigs, but there is something in those 6,000 chemicals in a real cigarette that calms us down that just nicotine doesn’t.   I wish I knew exactly what that was so maybe I could find a healthier substitute.


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I think that’s why people get fat when they quit smoking.  They turn to something else for satisfaction.  During my bouts of stopping smoking I can consume a whole bag of Lunburg Rice cakes in a day.  I add extra sea salt to them.

Cigarette smoking is the addiction that runs in my family.  My Father was a chain smoker.  I tried my 1st on at age 12 and liked it.  My son smokes.  Both my son & I eat healthy and exercise so people shake their heads in wonder at us.  He’s on an adult swim team and the lead singer in his band.  He smokes less than I do.  We’re both trying the e-cigs, but there is something in those 6,000 chemicals in a real cigarette that calms us down that just nicotine doesn’t.   I wish I knew exactly what that was so maybe I could find a healthier substitute.


My sister can't stop smoking....she's in her early 60s....knows it's bad, eats healthfully, watches everything else she does that could be toxic.....buys safe cleaning products, etc....but smoking....she's tried at least 20+ times to stop....She comes close to having a nervous breakdown when she's trying to quit...and it's obvious there are strong addictive chemicals that lure her
right back and prevent her from giving this habit up....She broke out in a rash from the patch and the gum made her whole mouth swell.  She's tried hypnosis...but there is something about the way she's "wired" that only the chemical kick from smoking can make her appear "normal". She's blood type A...My father's father was a chain smoker.  It killed him...He had asthma and pneumonia when he died in his early 60s.  I smoked when I was a teenager up until I had my kids (age 22) and had no problem stopping.  My sister is truly addicted.  Also addicted to wine....I wouldn't call her an alcoholic, but someone who can't go a day without a drink.  She seems to require a LOT of sedation.



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  My sister is truly addicted.  Also addicted to wine....I wouldn't call her an alcoholic, but someone who can't go a day without a drink.  She seems to require a LOT of sedation.



At least with alcohol there seems to be a wide range of involvement from teetotaller to social drinker to alcohol dependent to alcoholic to really out of control. People are often in different phases at different times so it is pretty difficult to sort everything out.

Possibly some people do have a baseline "sedation level" they just have to meet or it may be a case of external factors. Looks to me that resolution is a trial and affair.








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The resolution is a 12 step program which helps the addict find and develop a Spiritual foundation of strength and a way to live life on lifes terms rather than reaching for something to help them handle life.  

All the other so called 'fixes' can be a major waste of time and money.  At least in my case they have been.    I knew about 12 stop in my 30's when I began to sense something was majorly wrong with me and having to use all the time.  But I didn't "get it" until 20 years later that I have a disease, it's not my fault and that only a true walk with an 'inner' strength from a Higher Power of my choosing could help me.

It's not an easy journey but it works!  But one has to work it, as they say in program.  
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The 12 step program is the resolution that worked for you Blues Singer. Others may benefit from other therapies that didn't work for you.


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