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Lloyd
Saturday, August 18, 2012, 7:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Thanks.  I always avoided fatty foods for the most part!  



http://news.health.com/2012/08/17/gross-food-of-pinterest/

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Personally, I don't think bashing scientists, scientific studies or allopathic medicine is either appropriate or helpful.  It is the same as bashing naturopaths, chiropractors or homeopaths.  There is room on this planet for all of them and at some point in our future as we age, we may find it necessary to see an allopathic physician for treatment.  For instance, my siblings have all had bypass surgery.  This would be out of the realm of a naturopath.  One can say that following the right diet, exercising and taking the right supplements can minimize the risk but this is no guarantee.  Sometimes genetic factors come into play, such as in my family.

As for scientific studies, I am all for them.  They can help pave the way for innovators like Dr. D.  After all, as Lloyd and Dr, D point out, it was scientific research along with Dr. D's dad who helped him to form his theories on blood type, diet and wellness.  I, for one, celebrate the research as being confirmation of Dr. D's work.


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There are two threads of thought in this conversation. And there is nothing wrong with either of them. I don't think I read where anyone was anywhere near "bashing" the scientists as the awful "bashing" that Dr. D. has had to put up with through the years. From many different sources, I might add.....Dr. D. has never, as far as I know, failed to acknowledge work that he has used to help "build" his "platform." Contrary to most of the other scientists when it comes to Dr. D's work. --Keep in mind that they don't think he is a scientist by any stretch of the imagination.

On the other hand, there are not many of us who have not been sorely disappointed in the results of "scientific" work that was supposed to help us be more healthy. There are volumes out there written by such "scientists." So when we see evidence with our own senses that something is practically working miracles in us, just expect us to be more than just a little supportive of the one who brought it all together. No one else has even come close to this level of benefit where we can be fully engaged in our day to day effort to either become healthy or stay that way - which is acknowledged by most of us.








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On the other hand, there are not many of us who have not been sorely disappointed in the results of "scientific" work that was supposed to help us be more healthy. There are volumes out there written by such "scientists." So when we see evidence with our own senses that something is practically working miracles in us, just expect us to be more than just a little supportive of the one who brought it all together. No one else has even come close to this level of benefit where we can be fully engaged in our day to day effort to either become healthy or stay that way - which is acknowledged by most of us.


Thank you, spring. This is what I should have said earlier instead of the ham-handed way that I did.
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There are two threads of thought in this conversation. And there is nothing wrong with either of them. I don't think I read where anyone was anywhere near "bashing" the scientists as the awful "bashing" that Dr. D. has had to put up with through the years. From many different sources, I might add.....Dr. D. has never, as far as I know, failed to acknowledge work that he has used to help "build" his "platform." Contrary to most of the other scientists when it comes to Dr. D's work. --Keep in mind that they don't think he is a scientist by any stretch of the imagination.

On the other hand, there are not many of us who have not been sorely disappointed in the results of "scientific" work that was supposed to help us be more healthy. There are volumes out there written by such "scientists." So when we see evidence with our own senses that something is practically working miracles in us, just expect us to be more than just a little supportive of the one who brought it all together. No one else has even come close to this level of benefit where we can be fully engaged in our day to day effort to either become healthy or stay that way - which is acknowledged by most of us.



I'm sorry Spring - maybe it was your use of quotations around the words scientists and science, all capital letters and using bold to make your points.  It read like bashing to me.  Sometime the written word falls far short of expressing sentiment when the reader is left to interpret the writer's intent behind the words.

Also, I have found my different allopathic doctors to be very supportive of the Blood Type Diet.  Interestingly enough, it is a natural healer that I have seen in the past who is the biggest opponent of the BTD, so my experience is dramatically different than yours.  Sharing with the best of intentions.


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I saw this video was made by Eric, that is an excellent promo looks like the documentaries i love watching on netflix!  There needs to be a movie length documentary on the blood type diet and the genotype diet.


Thank you Easy E, really appreciated.  That wasn't no documentary, but I tell you what is (will be):

http://www.eatrightmovie.com



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Spring,
I think I understand what you are saying. Only my Natural doctor and my dentist have agreed with me regarding blood type/diet/treatment/healing, etc. The ND took an IFHI course years ago and my dentist is really cool and believes in Integrative Medicine.
Interestingly enough, they are the only ones who have really helped me lately, along with Dr. D (SWAMI). Every other health care provider wants to shove steroids down your throat or up your nose or whatever.
I recently came upon an article ( I mentioned it on one of these threads... ) that praised "new findings; blood type does affect proper digestion, etc..." really?
Naturally, not one mention of Dr. D , his father or credit for their work.
It is one thing to reiterate and acknowledge what is already known, it is quite another to blatently copy and take the accolades!


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Well, Cajun, after taking nearly a flogging from Lloyd, I think I will let Dr. D. take care of himself from now on. It isn't just now that these new "scientists" are claiming to discover "new" things and stealing other scientists' work. I read about things they are crowing about now over forty years ago!!

And I suppose after so many years of seeing supposedly scientific work that was nothing but nonsense and was done for the purpose of supporting Big Pharma's aims and ambitions, I am jaded. Totally. I may be somewhat bitter, too, because I saw my pharmacist brother, a brilliant man, destroy his health and his life with this very thing. Too sad for words....... I see people around me on the pill-popping train - one drug following another treating "side effects." I cringe.....


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Thank you, Spring. I share your experience, as surely do many others whether knowing or not. It is frustrating. Maddening.

I think that while a healthy respect for the work of scientific community is due, the near Deification of all things scientific is a curious thing. Scientific inquiry is a human conduct after all, subject to moral, ethical, and consequential scrutiny. To what degree science benefits or harms humankind on balance is a rather tricky subject, but I think we can all agree that more vigilance and skepticism is needed in these days of "miracles and wonders".

Skepticism is healthy. It propels science forward. Contrarianism, as sometimes seen in the knee-jerk response against Dr. D's work, is not-- It is in fact contrary to forwarding science.

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Real scientists would pay less attention to our ramblings here than a gnat buzzing around! I know a few personally - with all those degrees after their names, too, and we have lots of fun!!   I have posted before about how we argued with one of them an entire weekend about a certain point. He went back to his labs in Oregon, did the work and found out that we were right! He was astonished! And we were grinning!
It cannot be emphasized too much - this kind of "discovery" needs to keep happening on a regular basis.


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It nice to see the intestinal-MS theory gain scientific support.

The public confidence in medicine gets sapped by the publication of seemingly conflicting studies.  It is a culture of science journalism/education that leads people to be frustrated with "science" and "scientists."

The divisions spring from the philosophical differences of the uni-modal, western, reductionist thinking and the multi-modal, naturopathic, generative thinking.  Rather than a direct confrontation, we need to engage the “unimodalists” in constructive, even playful, dialogue.

Learning happens more easily when you are having fun.


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Learning happens more easily when you are having fun.

And I really wonder if the real intent of Dr. D.'s in starting this thread was simply to have a little fun and let us know what someone else out there is having to say. My guess is that it doesn't bother him as much as it does some of us (his not being recognized) simply because he has matured far beyond that.

The problem is that we are reading nearly every day of yet another "study" that tries to disprove that taking various supplements or eating perfectly wonderful foods can possibly benefit anyone for this or that ailment. And most of these "studies" are nothing but reviews of literature, and they don't have a clue whether the literature is valid or not. There is no way that they can, or the people doing the original "studies," simply because they don't have enough people to police thousands of people to make sure they are doing what they say they are! And, of course, the one-size-fits-all makes them nothing but nonsense anyway.

It is not just in the health field that this sort of thing goes on. Reports are written all the time about innumerable subjects that cannot be depended on to enlighten people to the truth about anything. I can't help but be proud that when my husband wrote reports before he retired, aside from all the other things he did, they were never questioned and millions of dollars were spent based on them simply because they knew he did his research, and it never failed them! Too bad that there aren't hundreds of people working in government just like him!



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that s my cup of tea!!!! (the link posted by Dr D, on ABO/Microbiome)


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Spring
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I like Dr. D.'s note better than the link!


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