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Women who are O bloodtype may have dimished fertility? Tell that to my grandmother who had her first child in 1927 and her ninth in 1952.
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I'm 49. Was 48, I think (it was my b-day month of Sept, so I'm not sure) when my primary care doc informed me of the following, based on bloodwork:  you are NOT in perimenapause. Still fertile.

Just saying.


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My best friend, an O, is 59...almost 60 ..and also very much able to still have children! She really thought she would be "done" by now!!!!!


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I also have to wonder if type O women just have higher levels of FSH, and it doesn't correlate to low ovarian reserves, or if the "range of normal" is different for this blood type.


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I wonder if it is the ectomorphic O's.  Body fat and fertility go hand in hand.


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This is just a statistical difference.  It doesn't mean all O women lose fertility earlier than all women of other BTs!
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I wonder if it is the ectomorphic O's.  Body fat and fertility go hand in hand.

Do you mean Hunters?  Because not all O's are ectomorphic.  I'm a Gatherer and endomorphic.  Maybe that is why, like I said in my other post, I'm apparently still fertile at 49, or was last September when last the primary care checked via bloodwork.  No perimenapause here, per her, but note that I do think she is full of it re that and other things she has said, too.  So take it with a grain of salt.  I see a lot of signs in me that indicate perimenapause.  The doctor seems crazy to me to think I'm not in that stage.  *shrug*



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You probably just don't fit into a very specific mold of what she calls "peri-menopause." Like maybe you're hormone levels weren't in the proper range (and did she even care when in your cycle she tested the hormones? What's "normal" on day 12 is "abnormal" on day 22 and vice versa!)

My hormones are different now than they were when I was 30. I might have periods for the next 10 or 20 years, but I can still call myself "peri-menopausal" because I know my hormones have shifted from what they were in my "prime of fertility" and are winding down towards menopause.


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At least they are willing to admit that breaking medical stats by blood type reflect some observable group differences.  Give it thirty years and they will finally admit that there might be a practical use of determining your Genotype.


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You probably just don't fit into a very specific mold of what she calls "peri-menopause." Like maybe you're hormone levels weren't in the proper range (and did she even care when in your cycle she tested the hormones? What's "normal" on day 12 is "abnormal" on day 22 and vice versa!)

My hormones are different now than they were when I was 30. I might have periods for the next 10 or 20 years, but I can still call myself "peri-menopausal" because I know my hormones have shifted from what they were in my "prime of fertility" and are winding down towards menopause.

I think she did take into account when my last period was, but I don't remember.  I do know that I had scheduled the physical, then went through a period that was really irregular in terms of timing, length and EMOTIONS during it, so I phoned and asked if the routine bloodwork that I was going to go for pre-physical would be testing my hormone levels.  They asked the doctor and she then ADDED additional test requests to the "script" I was to take with me to the lab--with our stoooo-pit plan at the time (now we have a diff stoooo-pit plan, but they are the same in this respect, me thinks) you have to go to a certain lab for blood tests, you can't have it ...wait a minute, I take that back:  they DID draw it at the doc's that time, I just remembered, as I had to go BACK right after I got back to work because the dumbb*tt forgot to take enough purple-top tubes for all the tests requested *rolling eyes*...but now we are back to a plan in which you have to go to a certain lab.  ANYWAY, moving along--so she added tests (sorry about this sentence from h*ll!!!) and it was specifically to see if I'm perimenapausal or menapausal or whatever.

When I asked her at the physical (God forbid she offer up the info without me querying her) if I am perimenapausal, she was like, "No."  And I was like WUH?  No, you're fertile as the day is long.  And I was like, whatchu tawkin' 'bout, Willis, my periods are way shorter than they used to be, except for the one just prior to this visit that prompted me to call you about additional blood tests, which was like ELEVEN DAYS LONG (seriously), AND if I were any more emotional, we'd all need boats to navigate the river of tears surrounding me!  Actually, back then, it was more like we'd all need a lot of CRIME TAPE to put around all the dead bodies, as it was more ANGER back last September, but as of recently I've moved on to unending TEARS GALORE *lol*.

Something's going on!  I mean, granted, I do have some emotional stuff going on at the present juncture, but seriously, I didn't know a human being could have this much tears inside of them.  And it is ironic, as when I was a child, I could never cry, not even when I wanted to.  But now I'm making up for lost time!

But back to this primary care wackadoo:  I mean, really, at 49 people don't have babies.  Granted, I was 48 when the doctor saw me...or just newly turned 49, but STILL.  She actually thinks I'm fertile!  Oh, so then I said, let me see if I have this, you are saying I could get pregnant?  Oh yes, but remember, said she, your eggs have been with you your whole life.  What are you saying, said I, my child would be born with things wrong with her/him?  *shrug/no answer*.  That primary care doc was SO infuriating that entire visit, that is just the tip of the iceberg, I've already posted in the past about how she totally dismissed the few things I had wanted to talk to her about (the perimenapause thing wasn't even anything I was concerned much about--I just remembered to ask her about it at the end).  My kingdom for a good primary care doctor!  Oh yeah, FL doesn't allow NDs.  Enough said.  


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Um, being fertile and being peri-menopausal are NOT mutually exclusive! You could have wacky cycles, not ovulate at all a few months, then release 2 or 3 eggs within 48 hours, then go on to not ovulate again for a while. As long as you still have the potential to release any eggs, even if it's not every 28 days, you're still "fertile" and should use some sort of birth control if you're going to have sex and don't want to get pregnant.

The doctor probably meant that you're "not likely to actually stop having periods in the next 48 months" and therefore "aren't peri-menopausal."

I suggest getting a copy of all labwork, so you can  interpret it for yourself, rather than rely on somebody who doesn't have the time to look at any of it carefully.


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I had my last period at 60, was fairly regular until 58.   Had my kids in my 30s
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Um, being fertile and being peri-menopausal are NOT mutually exclusive! You could have wacky cycles, not ovulate at all a few months, then release 2 or 3 eggs within 48 hours, then go on to not ovulate again for a while. As long as you still have the potential to release any eggs, even if it's not every 28 days, you're still "fertile" and should use some sort of birth control if you're going to have sex and don't want to get pregnant.

True, but this PCP didn't seem to think I was/am perimenapausal at all, yet I really think I am.  She's wack.  I base that statement on the entire visit for that check-up and how much she INFURIATED me with her dismissive, condescending responses to other things, mostly, but she is wack on this perimenapause thing, too.  My periods are so much shorter.  Plus recently (long after that appointment, admittedly), I have tapped into some long-buried emotion on something and, WHEW:  I tapped a gusher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I didn't even know I HAD buried it all, I thought I was kinda sorta long over it, or as over it as I was gonna get, but, um, NO:  I have been crying my eyes out for NINE WEEKS STRAIGHT.  Nine weeks!  Can that all be based on the something triggering it and thus it could happen like that for anyone who has buried something emotional very deep down, OR wouldn't you say that at least part of it is HORMONAL?  I'm thinking it's both, mainly the former, but that the latter HAS to be in the mix, I mean, NINE WEEKS, a nine-week crying jag?  UNHEARD OF.  I'm not typically a cryer.  Yet this is seemingly endless, and every time I think I'm done, I'm not *lol*.  Didn't cry yesterday, for instance, so it would be easy to get cocky, yet I know better at this point.  I won't know that it's over 'til ...well, until at least a week goes by and I can look back and say, okay, hey, I didn't cry at all this week!  WINNING!  
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The doctor probably meant that you're "not likely to actually stop having periods in the next 48 months" and therefore "aren't peri-menopausal."

Well, fair enough, looks like she may be right if that's what she meant.  In Sept, it will be 12 months since she issued her statement on the matter.
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I suggest getting a copy of all labwork, so you can  interpret it for yourself, rather than rely on somebody who doesn't have the time to look at any of it carefully.

You just described the prob (or a huge prob) with our health care system.  The doc who ordered the labs doesn't have time to look at them carefully?!  BAD.  I have a copy yet I don't know what any of it really means, and I'm not the dumbest person on the planet.  I'm not worried about it, so I haven't taken the time to research into what it all means.  I mean, if I am perimenapausal, I am.  If I'm not, I'm not.  I'm not going on hormones or anything either way so no need to figure it out, other than I do find it FASCINATING that, apparently, if you, unbeknownst or "knownst" (lol) to yourself--and in my case it was unbeknownst--bury some strong emotions for many years, when something comes along to unbury them, THEY ARE AS STRONG AS EVER.  Who knew?  Not I.  I thought a little scientific concept called TIME was supposed to heal all wounds and also diminish emotions and stuff, but, nope, not so much.  You bury strong emotions and they come out years and YEARS later, guess what?  THEY ARE AS STRONG AND INTENSE AS EVER, BABY.  UNLESSSSSS, this is a lot about hormones.  So I do wonder which is the bigger player here.  Like I said, I think both are in the mix.  I think the actual emotional "geyser" that was tapped is the main thing happening, but I think I AM also perimenapausal and that is making me more apt to cry on a dime if strong emotion is present, if that makes sense.

Anyway, fascinating as I find the whole thing that I'm learning re buried emotion is just as strong if and when it finally comes up as it was when it was originally buried, I could do with maybe not crying so much at this point.  24+ hours and holding without a major crying jag, so I'm hopeful...cautiously optimistic, wuu huu HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!  


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P.S.  On the other hand, maybe this isn't so much hormonal, as I'm really fine otherwise, like not having bad bouts of PMS, absolutely no food cravings (which I haven't had since I went on the GTD in 2008--AMAZINGNESS ALERT), etc.  I'm actually in a strong, steady, calm place, emotionally, and just seem to be a total wreck and crying my eyes out on this one specific emotional geyser sitch, not just in general.

Even though I for SURE had one weird period back last Sept that was really loooooooooooooooooooooooooong and preceded by extreme hormone-induced emotionalism, and that could have been the opening salvo of perimenapause, or it could have simply been stress-induced (I was very worried about my mom's health at that time, as they had seen "something" they wanted to get a CT scan to look at further, but it was okay, thank God, in the end), I think my current nine-week crying jag is probably mostly about the actual stuff I'm crying about.  Because my biochemical balance is excellent and very, very strong on the GTD.  Still, that said...if one is perimenapausal, one never knows what is impacted by that.

Luckily, I don't really care that much if I am or am not, as my game plan is just keep doing what I'm doing with diet and exercise, etc.  I'm not going on any hormones, period.  I mean, IF I were found to be very, say, progesterone deficient (a.k.a., estrogen dominant), I MIGHT consider using some sort of bioidentical, topical cream but the evidence would have to be pretty convincing that I need to, that my hormones need balancing.  And apparently my PCP thinks they are just fine and dandy at the present juncture...or at last September's juncture, anyway.


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