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Laura,

Could part of your problem be stress? You blogged about you compulsive nature. Are you able to relax? Do you take time to relax and enjoy?

I don't remember if you have ever mentioned if you do yoga or other stress relief activities.

Just a thought.


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As are known to have higher anxiety levels, in general.  I think a large number of physical complaints are psychosomatic.  Literally, we "worry' ourselves into physical ailments.  Striving for balance is key in attaining good health.  Compulsive behavior always stems from an avoidance of something...you just have to figure out what.  What I have learned is that the more you try to control something, the more it controls you.  So perhaps the key is to relax, make beneficial food choices and delight in how good you are being to yourself.  I think you'll notice a physical difference from this mental change.


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You know Laura, the amount of protein you're eating doesn't really look to be that much out of line, but I agree that trying to use more soy might help, unless you are absolutely allergic to it.  The stress could definitely be playing into it as well.  I think you exercise quite a bit, maybe more than is good for you.  Maybe you should consider spending part of that exercise time on the more A type activities such as yoga, tai chi, even some breathing exercises.  But I have an A friend that doesn't like to do those things, not challenging enough, so she feels like she's wasting her time.  But give those things some consideration.  The exercise at least won't put a strain on your budget.


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try finding a lab that can do the serotyping for you, to determine if you are an A2, perhaps.

or fine tune your diet to an A2 for a while, and see how you do.

you have the LRFYT book, right?


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yes, I don't think the diet would be much different then it is now, since I don't eat grains and eat mostly fish



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you heard Dr D mention A2s as 'more O like', in his last radio interview! )


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Errrrr, excuse my ignorance but what's UC?.

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Connect- I am interested in your post wherein you said that compulsive behavior stems from trying to avoid something.  Wish i could figure out what i am trying to avoid.  I'm not as compulsive as Monk, but I do like things 'my way'.  I think I am trying to avoid chaos.  Avoiding chaos seems to be the best avenue for an A or at least for this A.
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I think my issue remains that what I am doing is not working.  I can feel intuitively that I need to change something in my diet, but I can't figure out what



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Aaron, ... UC stands for ulcerative colitis

Laura ... one of the problems with reading technical stuff is that if you do not understand the words, then you falsely believes it does not apply.  In this case the amino acid methionine is suspected of producing too much polyamine.  Methionine and cysteine are the only two amino acids with sulphur ... one way to detect them is very smelly gas.

To stem this from forming Cheryl has listed a whole slew of foods that will interfere with ODC.  Interestingly, there is a call for adequate zinc.  [And one of the minor roles of taurine is to intervene in the break-down process of amino acids to prevent things like smelly gas from occurring at all.]  So try giving 25mg + copper - 2mg + 2g taurine ................ 2X each day a trial for a month.  All these supplements are inexpensive.  [In particular the taurine can be bought as a powder from hfs that sell bodybuilders' nutrients.]

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I think Cheryl's post from Jan. 31, and John's post from today, are getting very close to the heart of your problem, Laura.  I suggest you read both those again a few times, and try and see where it might fit with you.

For myself, I copied both of them because I was amazed by how relevant they are.  I have always wondered why that sulfur-smelling gas appears sometimes, and usually it's when I'm having problems with inflammation, either digestive or joint related.  Food for thought.

Thanks Cheryl and John!



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agreed, John, could you explain your post a bit more and how, other then the supplementation I can affect this.  I do know I in particular have a hard time with sulfur containing items, eggs, garlic, onions



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like those foods you have listed ... it is likely that fish has the highest sulphur content of 'flesh' foods.  This is not totally bad because we tend (in NA) to eat far too much protein anyway.  when this is coupled with seasonal variation in protein use - you IMO may be in for much trouble.  You may be in fact eating close to the maximum in protein while you should be in a minimal protein mode ... especially from flesh sources.

Recommendations ... for an A ... until Spring, focus on a close to vegetarian style food.  Combine compliant grains and compliant beans.  We will soon be into spring ... colostrum with zinc, taurine and lecithin can fix many things then.

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ok, John this poses a problem when I don't really think I can eat grains or beans, so that leaves me with veggies, am I just eating veggies until spring?



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no Laura ............. turkey breast has a lot of taurine.  Just drastically reduce the amount of 'flesh' protein and include more veggies of the winter-type .... carrots, yams, turnips, onions, parsnips.  A little amount of fish like salmon or sardines, I'm sure will be fine.

You may find that you will wish to sleep rather than your six small meals.  Sleep ... and leave off the meals.  By getting healthier your abilities to assimilate foods should also increase.  In this way your digestion will become more efficient.  so, you should not experience outrageous hunger.

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but don't you consider turkey to be flesh protien?



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I appreciated Cheryl's info on polyamines, which I am trying to understand. Does anyone know if wine (red) counteracts polyamine (due to its anthocyanines, etc.) or encourages them due to being fermented? (praying for the former!) Jayney-0
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Quoted from John_McDonell_O+

 In this case the amino acid methionine is suspected of producing too much polyamine.  Methionine and cysteine are the only two amino acids with sulphur ... one way to detect them is very smelly gas.

To stem this from forming Cheryl has listed a whole slew of foods that will interfere with ODC.  Interestingly, there is a call for adequate zinc.  [And one of the minor roles of taurine is to intervene in the break-down process of amino acids to prevent things like smelly gas from occurring at all.]  So try giving 25mg + copper - 2mg + 2g taurine ................ 2X each day a trial for a month.  All these supplements are inexpensive.  [In particular the taurine can be bought as a powder from hfs that sell bodybuilders' nutrients.]
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John, I want to understand this, also, and barely catch the drift of what you are saying.  Is sulfur the culprit?  Or friend?  Sometimes I take MSM, which is very much sulfur, thinking that it will help with the health of my joints.  Is this sulfur contributing to the break-down you are speaking of?

What is ODC?

And regarding taurine, are there foods that are high in taurine?



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yes I am very very confused



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John, please consider that Laura and I are at a very basic level of understanding on things that are like a playground to you because you are so at home in your understanding of them.  We're kind of emotional about this because there is a sense of desperation that sets in with a chronic condition.  Perhaps you understand this fact.  

The supplements you mentioned, we need to understand exactly what they do in laywomen's terms so that, for example, when Laura is trying to justify to herself why she must not eat meat when her body is screaming for it, she can say "Oh, what is happening is *****, and therefore, if I do ******, then ****** will happen, and then I will be happy because I will experience *****.

 Sorry I'm being silly.  But talking to you is like talking to my brother.  He is a scientist, and SO brilliant, and when we try and talk, he gets frustrated because he thinks he's being clear, and I think he's talking a foreign language and leaving out the very things I want to understand.



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like those foods you have listed ... it is likely that fish has the highest sulphur content of 'flesh' foods.  This is not totally bad because we tend (in NA) to eat far too much protein anyway.
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You were recommending to Laura that she eat less flesh foods.
However, turkey breast is high in taurine, so is that one the exception, or is there something else at work here?

And fish has a high sulfur content, so....... what does that mean in terms of being appropriate at this time, or not?

What is NA?



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Exactly Victoria, my problem is in order to implement something I need a clear layed out plan.  example-
I wake up I eat ----
I run come home for breakfast I eat---
Have snack I eat-----

and so on, I need to understand things so I can put them in a clear plan otherwise I fall back to what is comfortable, that is why I have been having a hard time changing something I know isn't working



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I Know what you are saying, Laura.  That is why I have a hard time with some Naturopaths, who offer a great list of supplements which are good for this or that complaint.  But, unless I feel that I really Understand Why they are suggesting it, I'm not going to just drop the things I do understand and pick up something that is new. I feel that I could end up out on a limb, with something that "turns on me", and I wouldn't know what to do because I don't know exactly what it was supposed to do or how it is supposed to feel if it is working.

Once I understand it, then I have made it Mine, and I can work (and experiment) with it.



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Sorry for the confusion .... will attempt to be simpler

Victoria: NA = North America
           ODC = the enzyme that makes polyamines .... Cheryl posted a list of foods that inhibit ODC

Laura ... this is not a take-it-or-leave-it-thing.  You have said you eat a lot of protein ... and this is as fish.   So, OPTION #1 - EAT LESS 'flesh' PROTEIN ... meat/fish are 'complete' protein sources - unlike most veggies they contain methionine in spades.  All veggies have amino acids and their protein is not 'complete'.   Just a very little flesh protein is required ... be it fish or turkey, etc.  In the winter to much protein may mean too much polyamine production.  Winter is not the time for active cell growth.  About all that goes on is cell repair.
I suggested the grain-beans as one way to get this 'complete' protein, but Laura said 'no'.

              OPTION #2 - SUPPLEMENT WITH ZINC/COPPER/TAURINE ... Laura nixed that so we are back to option #1 [the idea of turkey comes from Laura's posted food preferences ..]


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Thank you John,
Are you saying that all flesh foods, whether red meat, turkey or fish.......all have the same tendency to raise polyamine production?

John, could you check my post (oh, about 7 posts back) about MSM, sulfur, and it's connection to polyamines?  (and sulfur-smelling gas)  I have noticed the sulfur odor seems to always correspond to inflammation on some level in my body.  I'm not clear on that one.



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