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Victoria
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Thank you John.

Would you explain a little more what the zinc, copper and taurine do?

And likewise, what do the magnesium, potassium and taurine combo do?  Why do you switch formulas at that point?



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Hi Laura,

the questions are short ... my answer - long

By looking at your arm, an image of what I am referring to is apparent.  Taurine binds zinc to on the outer layer of cell membranes.  This looks somewhat like the hairs on your arm where the skin on your arm(membrane) has a follicle(zinc) and then a hair shaft(taurine) ... so its M(membrane)-Zn(zinc)-HSH2-CH2-CH2-NH2(taurine).
[in this picture, because this structure isn't just anywhere ... the M spot is likely a membrane-bound molecule of AA(arachidonic acid).  this means -AA-Zn-taurine]

This formation aligns all membrane-bound-taurine in the same direction ... you and taswolf are both      pointing outwards, even though you are likely opposite in orientation, so too with taurine and zinc.  Taurine is called a zwitterion [sounds like 'twitter-eye-on'] with a small negative charge on one end and a positive charge at the other.  With this arrangement each cell maintains a little negative charge on its surface.  This forces cells to stay apart.

If there is a lack of taurine ... there is no force to keep cells from not sticking

more tomorrow ..........

John


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PART II ...EFA fats ... zinc, etc

what I have described here is the basic structure.  When most researchers write they talk about a 'pool' and give no idea of what this would look like ... this describes how the main 'zinc pool' looks, so zinc going into this and exiting from it will cause the smallest disruption.  In former times (with zinc not linked to taurine) much inflammation occurred because there often is a chronic deficiency in structuring this 'pool'.

So let's play with this a bit.  Zinc is known as a divalent cation ... this is written as Zn++[sup][/sup].  There are many minerals that are divalent cations, do these too have this kind of 'structured pool'?  A few ... but not many at all!!
Copper- Cu++ - is almost identical with zinc (in structure) and is linked with zinc when the internal side of cells form the highly protective enzyme super-oxide dismutase(SOD).
Strange though, insides of cells also have membranes in areas called organelles.  One sub-family and protectants of organelles is a different kind of dismutase with manganese - Mn++ - being the main divalent cation and cobalt - Co++ - being its sidekick.  Don has written about the taurine-manganese link (in another thread)!

John


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How would a person know if she/he were deficient in taurine?  Are there good food sources?



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Since this is a post thread concerning fat, i will toss my fat story in.  In the spring of 2000 I went to India to do Panchakarma with an Ayurvedic Physician.  I can't recall how many times I did this, but he would have me drink 1/4 cup of warm ghee on empty stomach as soon as I arrived at his office.  That was my first experience with ghee.  I brought ghee home with me, and getting thru mumbai airport without busting the glass containers was a miracle in itself.  There are 20 milion people in that city, and I think half of them were at the airport on that day.
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Ruthie,

I've been in that airport.  Oh, yes!  talk about culture shock.

What was your experience from drinking the ghee?



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PART III -

There are other kinds of atoms(monovalent cations) that are affected by the M-Zn-taurine structure.  This formation is known as the 'potassium (K+) pump'.  So when a cell needs potassium on its 'inside' it uses this structure to transfer potassium ions there.  Most cells have more potassium on the insides and its partner sodium(Na+) is on the outside.  Often there is an electrical potential between potassium and sodium.  So it is important that these two be separated .... this is so especially in adrenal/energy activity.  [this is why one of the symptoms of PMS is extreme fatigue and one of the main 'solutions' to PMS is supplementing with high doses of potassium.]  

This is also why potassium levels are critical factors in calling it an electrolyte.  IMO attempting to increase potassium without attempting to increase the number of potassium pumps is problematic.

There are all kinds of things occurring that taurine has a powerful influence on ... some of these are the divalent cations magnesium - Mg++ [and through this also calcium - Ca++ is influenced] but how this mechanism works, I do not know.  One article pronounces taurine's influence [these credit only taurine, but they really mean the M-Zn- taurine structure] to be as strong on the heart as magnesium, or CoQ10, or carnitine.  [add some potassium and you have all the energy bases for the heart covered ... well maybe a little manganese and B12 - methyl cobalmin, the cobalt source.]

There are any number of ways that taurine's exceptional calming influence has been used: on epileptic seizures and to help sleep (with magnesium).  Since implementing the basic structure goes: such applications can be as diverse as elimination inflammation, to improving eyesight, to overcoming many chronic conditions and, hopefully some genetic ones (with autoimmune characteristics) too.

hope this helps Victoria ....

just thought that the basic analogy for omega-6's and omega-3's and the way these two should be supplemented:
say you approach a four light traffic light ... the first on the bottom is an 'advanced-GREEN' with an arrow (Spring) ... the second is a full-GREEN'(summer) ... the third is YELLOW(autumn) ... and the fourth RED(winter).  The talk so far is to achieve a balance between omega-6's and omega-3's ... in my opinion this is like having all the lights 'on' at the same time ... extremely confusing for the body.  If instead we try one at a time, (in a repeating pattern) much headway can be achieved.

John


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Victoria--The whole Panchakarma experience was such a departure from anything I'd ever done before.  All I can say is that I came home feeling great.  I kept a journal and if i can find it will look for anything that stands out.
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John,
You are certainly a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for taking the time to put all that down "on paper" for us.  I can't say I really grasp it, but I have a better idea of what you were talking about.

Thanks again.



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Victoria--The whole Panchakarma experience was such a departure from anything I'd ever done before.  All I can say is that I came home feeling great.  I kept a journal and if i can find it will look for anything that stands out.
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ruthie


I'd love to hear anything you want to share.  My time in India is full of precious memories and life changing experiences.  I'll never forget the smells, and the beautiful smiles, and the chanting, and the food, and the rain, and the bugs, sand crabs, lizards, frogs, water buffalo yogurt (curd), chapatis, chai, lassis and GHEE.



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Victoria-Maybe we need to start a thread about India.  In addition to seeing an Ayru Dr, I spent most of my time at a commune devoted to meditation.  The wild ricksha rides just about took my breath away--and swerving around the cows--wow
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Ok Ruthie,
I'll do it today!




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